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Christopher O'Callaghan June 13th 05 10:45 PM

INNOCENT
 
MICHEAL JACKSON CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES




Old Ed June 13th 05 11:16 PM

Goody. Were his antennas charged with anything?

"Christopher O'Callaghan" wrote in message
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MICHEAL JACKSON CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES






John Smith June 13th 05 11:19 PM

Yes, he is quite obviously as innocent as OJ... with his money, I think
we knew that right off... still, it would interesting hearing how the
jury arrived at that conclusion. It is almost like they were angry at
the prosecutor and sending him a message with their verdict--as I
expected them to find him guilty of at least the misdemeanor of
furnishing wine to the kids...

John

"Christopher O'Callaghan" wrote in message
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MICHEAL JACKSON CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES






Cecil Moore June 13th 05 11:27 PM

John Smith wrote:
Yes, he is quite obviously as innocent as OJ...


Which proves that $500,000 lawers are better than $50,000
lawyers. Why are we surprised?
--
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Wes Stewart June 14th 05 03:12 AM

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:45:19 +0100, "Christopher O'Callaghan"
wrote:

MICHEAL JACKSON CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES


Excuse me, but "Cleared of all charges" or "Not guilty" are not the
same as "innocent".


John Smith June 14th 05 03:18 AM

Wes:

I disagree, and as tough as it is, I am an American first with real
respect for the forefathers...

.... and a person suspicious to Jackson's motives and actions second...

Truth is, you run the gauntlet and face a jury of your peers--if found
innocent, YOU ARE!!!

Any man who would deny that is worse than the criminal which may go
free...

To sum it up short and sweet--forefathers believed it is better to let a
hundred guilty men go free than to convict one innocent man... you can
read Jefferson's, Washington's and Franklins' personal writings to
verify this is correct...

Warmest regards,
John

"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:45:19 +0100, "Christopher O'Callaghan"
wrote:

MICHEAL JACKSON CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES


Excuse me, but "Cleared of all charges" or "Not guilty" are not the
same as "innocent".




Adelphia June 14th 05 03:28 AM

Regardless, the law simply says that he is not guilty of the charges AS
PRESENTED. Innocence is a nice thought but not factual. If double jeopardy
did not exist his so-called "innocence" might be turned into a guilty
verdict. So, once again for the stubborn of thought - he is not innocent.
Rather he is NOT GUILTY OF THE CHARGES AS PRESENTED. The jury has already
said that they did not believe the PRESENTATION OF THE CHARGES beyond a
reasonable doubt.Let his publicity machine proclaim "innocence". They will
do a masterful job and lure loving teens into expensive concerts.

In the meantime let his antenna wire wrap around his.......


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Wes:

I disagree, and as tough as it is, I am an American first with real
respect for the forefathers...

... and a person suspicious to Jackson's motives and actions second...

Truth is, you run the gauntlet and face a jury of your peers--if found
innocent, YOU ARE!!!

Any man who would deny that is worse than the criminal which may go
free...

To sum it up short and sweet--forefathers believed it is better to let a
hundred guilty men go free than to convict one innocent man... you can
read Jefferson's, Washington's and Franklins' personal writings to verify
this is correct...

Warmest regards,
John

"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:45:19 +0100, "Christopher O'Callaghan"
wrote:

MICHEAL JACKSON CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES


Excuse me, but "Cleared of all charges" or "Not guilty" are not the
same as "innocent".






Bob Miller June 14th 05 03:45 AM

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:28:22 -0400, "Adelphia"
wrote:

In the meantime let his antenna wire wrap around his.......


Hey, how 'bout the blond-headed lady who released a white dove with
each proclamation of "Not guilty"?

I've seen it all, now...

bob
k5qwg



John Smith June 14th 05 03:56 AM

.... as I said, I fear men with no, respect for and, devotion to
following the constitution as much as the criminals themselves--perhaps
even more...

Still, Jackson would not get within a mile of my children... (course
they are all grown now), I recommend others make sure of the same...

Warmest regards,
John

"Adelphia" wrote in message
...
Regardless, the law simply says that he is not guilty of the charges
AS PRESENTED. Innocence is a nice thought but not factual. If double
jeopardy did not exist his so-called "innocence" might be turned into
a guilty verdict. So, once again for the stubborn of thought - he is
not innocent. Rather he is NOT GUILTY OF THE CHARGES AS PRESENTED. The
jury has already said that they did not believe the PRESENTATION OF
THE CHARGES beyond a reasonable doubt.Let his publicity machine
proclaim "innocence". They will do a masterful job and lure loving
teens into expensive concerts.

In the meantime let his antenna wire wrap around his.......


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Wes:

I disagree, and as tough as it is, I am an American first with real
respect for the forefathers...

... and a person suspicious to Jackson's motives and actions
second...

Truth is, you run the gauntlet and face a jury of your peers--if
found innocent, YOU ARE!!!

Any man who would deny that is worse than the criminal which may go
free...

To sum it up short and sweet--forefathers believed it is better to
let a hundred guilty men go free than to convict one innocent man...
you can read Jefferson's, Washington's and Franklins' personal
writings to verify this is correct...

Warmest regards,
John

"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:45:19 +0100, "Christopher O'Callaghan"
wrote:

MICHEAL JACKSON CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES

Excuse me, but "Cleared of all charges" or "Not guilty" are not the
same as "innocent".








Mike June 14th 05 03:57 AM

Was that a white dove or a bleached pigeon?
KM6AB

Bob Miller wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:28:22 -0400, "Adelphia"
wrote:


In the meantime let his antenna wire wrap around his.......



Hey, how 'bout the blond-headed lady who released a white dove with
each proclamation of "Not guilty"?

I've seen it all, now...

bob
k5qwg



John Smith June 14th 05 04:00 AM

Mike:

Small turkeys?

John

"Mike" wrote in message
. ..
Was that a white dove or a bleached pigeon?
KM6AB

Bob Miller wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:28:22 -0400, "Adelphia"
wrote:


In the meantime let his antenna wire wrap around his.......



Hey, how 'bout the blond-headed lady who released a white dove with
each proclamation of "Not guilty"?

I've seen it all, now...

bob
k5qwg



Cecil Moore June 14th 05 02:52 PM

Adelphia wrote:
Regardless, the law simply says that he is not guilty of the charges AS
PRESENTED. Innocence is a nice thought but not factual.


It is a legal fact that he is legally innocent until
proven legally guilty. I am legally innocent of not
wearing a seat belt yesterday (I didn't get caught).
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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John Smith June 14th 05 05:38 PM

.... actually, those commas are used correctly...

"respect for and" == can be removed from sentence, leaving:

"as I said, I fear men with no removed here devotion to following the
constitution as much as the criminals themselves--perhaps even more..."

... which is a sentence able to stand by itself, I was a math/science
degree and even I took enough english to be able to command the language
that well, I pity the man/men who lacks even that much
ability--certainly would hope he was NOT an english major!

Funny how some men try to gain respect through character assassinations
and finding fault with others and/or their methods--and then become
angry when corrected, poked fun at, ignored, and disrespected--then
become even angrier when kind men attempt to point out how they are
being viewed in "the real word", the world outside of their "personal
experience" where they sit and view themselves as "LEGENDS IN THEIR OWN
MINDS!"

You just gotta keep a sense of humor here! grin

Warmest regards,
John



"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:56:57 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

... as I said, I fear men with no, respect for and, devotion to
following the constitution as much as the criminals
themselves--perhaps
even more...


_________________________________________________

I fear men who have no idea how to use, commas.

--
BT




John Smith June 14th 05 05:54 PM

.... however, I should point out... I write in a very relaxed style here
in the newsgroup, my works will not be published, I will not be graded
on them, and my ego will fit in an aspirin bottle... I do this for fun
and recreation, why would I make a chore of it?

.... MUCH DIFFERENT than those who write here thinking men are hanging on
their every word and, think their words are studied and enjoyed
immensely by devoted readers, and egos so delicate as to have been made
from thin glass and shatter at the slightest "rough handling"--leaving
them as temper tantrum throwing children striking out at anything or
anyone in reach in an attempt to soothe heal those broken fragments
back!

One thing which does exist he men as transparent as the thinnest
negligee on the curviest redhead--quite revealing in nature and able to
be read in the dimmest of light.

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... actually, those commas are used correctly...

"respect for and" == can be removed from sentence, leaving:

"as I said, I fear men with no removed here devotion to following
the constitution as much as the criminals themselves--perhaps even
more..."

.. which is a sentence able to stand by itself, I was a math/science
degree and even I took enough english to be able to command the
language that well, I pity the man/men who lacks even that much
ability--certainly would hope he was NOT an english major!

Funny how some men try to gain respect through character
assassinations and finding fault with others and/or their methods--and
then become angry when corrected, poked fun at, ignored, and
disrespected--then become even angrier when kind men attempt to point
out how they are being viewed in "the real word", the world outside of
their "personal experience" where they sit and view themselves as
"LEGENDS IN THEIR OWN MINDS!"

You just gotta keep a sense of humor here! grin

Warmest regards,
John



"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:56:57 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

... as I said, I fear men with no, respect for and, devotion to
following the constitution as much as the criminals
themselves--perhaps
even more...


_________________________________________________

I fear men who have no idea how to use, commas.

--
BT






Cecil Moore June 14th 05 06:19 PM

Bill Turner wrote:
If you know of an actual law which states the above, please quote it.


I don't know of any actual USA law that states a citizen is
presumed guilty until proven innocent.

*Legally*, innocence must be presumed until guilt is proven
in order to avoid violation of due process and civil rights.
If the verdict is "not guilty" the presumption of innocence
legally continues (at least until the civil trial).
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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Cecil Moore June 14th 05 06:27 PM

John Smith wrote:
... my ego will fit in an aspirin bottle...


Is that one of the aspirin bottles from Sam's? :-)
--
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John Smith June 14th 05 06:33 PM

Cecil:

Cecil, really, I know you have a worthwhile humor... and it is
appreciated... grin

Warmest regards,
John

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
... my ego will fit in an aspirin bottle...


Is that one of the aspirin bottles from Sam's? :-)
--
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John Smith June 14th 05 06:35 PM

Cecil:

Unfortunately, in the civil trial it only becomes a question of, "Does
the "child molester" win, or the "extortionists/con-artists"", neither a
desirable choice... frown

Warmest regards,
John

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Bill Turner wrote:
If you know of an actual law which states the above, please quote it.


I don't know of any actual USA law that states a citizen is
presumed guilty until proven innocent.

*Legally*, innocence must be presumed until guilt is proven
in order to avoid violation of due process and civil rights.
If the verdict is "not guilty" the presumption of innocence
legally continues (at least until the civil trial).
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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Cecil Moore June 14th 05 07:08 PM

John Smith wrote:
Unfortunately, in the civil trial it only becomes a question of, "Does
the "child molester" win, or the "extortionists/con-artists"", neither a
desirable choice... frown


It ain't perfect, but better than anything else invented
by man - Cuba comes to mind.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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John Smith June 14th 05 07:34 PM

Cecil:

Put in that context, I can quite well agree with you--however,
improvement should always be on every just mans mind and heart...

Warmest regards,
John

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Unfortunately, in the civil trial it only becomes a question of,
"Does the "child molester" win, or the "extortionists/con-artists"",
neither a desirable choice... frown


It ain't perfect, but better than anything else invented
by man - Cuba comes to mind.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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Cecil Moore June 14th 05 08:34 PM

John Smith wrote:
Put in that context, I can quite well agree with you--however,
improvement should always be on every just man's mind and heart...


Homo sapiens have many flaws. Just look at this newsgroup. :-)
Makes me glad that I was an alien life-form left on my
Southern Baptist parent's door step after being impregnated
with all the wisdom of that ancient alien race.
--
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Bob Miller June 14th 05 08:48 PM

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:05:23 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:52:06 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

It is a legal fact that he is legally innocent until
proven legally guilty.


_______________________________________________ __

Is that really a "legal fact" or just a common presumption? The word
"innocent" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Look for
yourself:

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

If you know of an actual law which states the above, please quote it.


Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

bob
k5qwg



Richard Harrison June 14th 05 09:47 PM

Cecil, W5DXP wrote:
"Which proves that $500,000 lawyers are better than $50,000 lawyers."

Yes. I was in Scotland a week ago and someone told me that there,
besides guilty or not guilty, the Scots have a third verdict available.
It is "Guilt not proven". In this verdict the person charged is not
exonorated but is released. This "guil not prioven" verdict is said to
be the origin of the term "Scot free".

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI


John Smith June 14th 05 09:59 PM

Cecil:

A "Hindu Alien" with a southern Baptist background? grin

.... don't worry, I don't take things too seriously--homo sapiens
especially... won't live long enough to be able to hold a grudge for any
meaningful length of time either--so have given up on that, better left
to younger men...

My flawed antenna(s) is/are still functioning to my satisfaction... I am
thankful for that...

Warmest regards,
John

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Put in that context, I can quite well agree with you--however,
improvement should always be on every just man's mind and heart...


Homo sapiens have many flaws. Just look at this newsgroup. :-)
Makes me glad that I was an alien life-form left on my
Southern Baptist parent's door step after being impregnated
with all the wisdom of that ancient alien race.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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John Smith June 14th 05 10:12 PM

Bob:

If you don't welcome men/women back into society after they have either
run the gauntlet or paid their debt to society--then all you accomplish
is creating a whole subset of society which poses great danger when held
as "less than acceptable"--indeed, if not careful we can create the
monster we fear most.

This is how our ancestors came to overthrow such a kings strangle hold
and found this country on principals meant to stop that from ever
occurring again--or demand those so oppressed to rise up and throw off
such chains once again... it is all recorded in our history...

I think those men who suffered greatly from unfair treatment, indebted
servitude, debtors prisons and virtual slavery had it correct--the
principals they put forth are as valid today as they were when first
stated and put forth...

Still, Michael Jackson would never be left in the presence of my
children without me being present... (of course, now all my children are
grown) and I would be apprehensive about having him for a neighbor so
would set aside a place for him to reside--too bad there are no islands
left to exile his type too--perhaps a plea bargain could have been set
up with him and he would have gone there willingly...

Warmest regards,
John

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:05:23 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:52:06 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

It is a legal fact that he is legally innocent until
proven legally guilty.


________________________________________________ _

Is that really a "legal fact" or just a common presumption? The word
"innocent" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Look for
yourself:

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

If you know of an actual law which states the above, please quote it.


Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

bob
k5qwg





Bob Miller June 15th 05 12:34 AM

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:12:34 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:


Still, Michael Jackson would never be left in the presence of my
children without me being present... (of course, now all my children are
grown) and I would be apprehensive about having him for a neighbor so
would set aside a place for him to reside--too bad there are no islands
left to exile his type too--perhaps a plea bargain could have been set
up with him and he would have gone there willingly...

Warmest regards,
John


No disagreement -- I was only talking legalities of "guilty" or "not",
not whether anyone would want to leave their kids with Jacko for a
bunk-over...

bob
k5qwg



"Bob Miller" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:05:23 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:52:06 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

It is a legal fact that he is legally innocent until
proven legally guilty.

_______________________________________________ __

Is that really a "legal fact" or just a common presumption? The word
"innocent" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Look for
yourself:

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

If you know of an actual law which states the above, please quote it.


Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

bob
k5qwg





John Smith June 15th 05 06:02 PM

Bill:

Right now nothing seems to make sense... and it does appear if a general
"uprising" approaches...

One example is where the clear majority of voters approves a law and/or
revision to a law--and a court overturns it...
.... or ...
When clearly the majority wish one outcome, they communicate that to
their representative--yet their public servant goes on and votes against
their wishes...

We just need a method to make them back responsible to us...

John

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:48:04 GMT, Bob Miller
wrote:

Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.


_________________________________________________

If OJ was "presumed innocent until proven guilty", why was he kept in
jail for one whole year before and during his trial? Do we lock up
people who are "presumed innocent"?

The concept is deeply embedded in American beliefs, but in reality, it
does not seem to exist.

--
Bill, W6WRT




Bob Miller June 15th 05 10:43 PM

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:36:53 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:48:04 GMT, Bob Miller wrote:

Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.


_______________________________________________ __

If OJ was "presumed innocent until proven guilty", why was he kept in
jail for one whole year before and during his trial? Do we lock up
people who are "presumed innocent"?

The concept is deeply embedded in American beliefs, but in reality, it
does not seem to exist.


The police who brought charges obviously thought he was guilty and
took precautions by locking OJ away, but legally, as far as the court
and the judge were concerned, he was presumed innocent and received
all of the judicial protections that that implies.

bob
k5qwg




John Smith June 15th 05 11:05 PM

Bob:

But look at the difference in the quality of analytical minds at
play--many police are barely above brain dead--big hulks we use for
muscle, or ex-marines trained to do-do in a corner when commanded...

The judges have proven some IQ and mental powers before being granted a
seat...

John

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:36:53 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:48:04 GMT, Bob Miller
wrote:

Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.


________________________________________________ _

If OJ was "presumed innocent until proven guilty", why was he kept in
jail for one whole year before and during his trial? Do we lock up
people who are "presumed innocent"?

The concept is deeply embedded in American beliefs, but in reality, it
does not seem to exist.


The police who brought charges obviously thought he was guilty and
took precautions by locking OJ away, but legally, as far as the court
and the judge were concerned, he was presumed innocent and received
all of the judicial protections that that implies.

bob
k5qwg






Fred W4JLE June 16th 05 12:30 AM

QFU K

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Bob:

But look at the difference in the quality of analytical minds at
play--many police are barely above brain dead--big hulks we use for
muscle, or ex-marines trained to do-do in a corner when commanded...




John Smith June 16th 05 01:11 AM

lol... oh no, a cop huh?

John

"Fred W4JLE" wrote in message
...
QFU K

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Bob:

But look at the difference in the quality of analytical minds at
play--many police are barely above brain dead--big hulks we use for
muscle, or ex-marines trained to do-do in a corner when commanded...






Bob Miller June 16th 05 01:55 AM

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:05:03 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Bob:

But look at the difference in the quality of analytical minds at
play--many police are barely above brain dead--big hulks we use for
muscle, or ex-marines trained to do-do in a corner when commanded...

The judges have proven some IQ and mental powers before being granted a
seat...

John


Well, I wouldn't characterize all cops as brain dead, besides, I
believe it is the attorneys in the DA's office who actually bring
charges. And, yes, it is their job to promote the perceived guilt of
the defendant, but otherwise, you would not have a court case. Nor is
that the same as saying someone is perceived guilty until proven not
so. It is the DA's job to overcome a perceived, legal innocence, in
the courtroom, of the defendant.

I'm getting bored... back to SWR.

bob
k5qwg



"Bob Miller" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:36:53 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:48:04 GMT, Bob Miller
wrote:

Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

_______________________________________________ __

If OJ was "presumed innocent until proven guilty", why was he kept in
jail for one whole year before and during his trial? Do we lock up
people who are "presumed innocent"?

The concept is deeply embedded in American beliefs, but in reality, it
does not seem to exist.


The police who brought charges obviously thought he was guilty and
took precautions by locking OJ away, but legally, as far as the court
and the judge were concerned, he was presumed innocent and received
all of the judicial protections that that implies.

bob
k5qwg






John Smith June 16th 05 02:10 AM

Bob:

Yeah, that remark of mine did NOT make allowances for those just stuck
there because of circumstances ...

.... and, the convo is pretty much over when you have been asked to go
away... frown

Warmest regards,
John

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:05:03 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Bob:

But look at the difference in the quality of analytical minds at
play--many police are barely above brain dead--big hulks we use for
muscle, or ex-marines trained to do-do in a corner when commanded...

The judges have proven some IQ and mental powers before being granted
a
seat...

John


Well, I wouldn't characterize all cops as brain dead, besides, I
believe it is the attorneys in the DA's office who actually bring
charges. And, yes, it is their job to promote the perceived guilt of
the defendant, but otherwise, you would not have a court case. Nor is
that the same as saying someone is perceived guilty until proven not
so. It is the DA's job to overcome a perceived, legal innocence, in
the courtroom, of the defendant.

I'm getting bored... back to SWR.

bob
k5qwg



"Bob Miller" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:36:53 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:48:04 GMT, Bob Miller
wrote:

Amendments V and VI describe a process that would be meaningless
unless one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

______________________________________________ ___

If OJ was "presumed innocent until proven guilty", why was he kept
in
jail for one whole year before and during his trial? Do we lock up
people who are "presumed innocent"?

The concept is deeply embedded in American beliefs, but in reality,
it
does not seem to exist.

The police who brought charges obviously thought he was guilty and
took precautions by locking OJ away, but legally, as far as the
court
and the judge were concerned, he was presumed innocent and received
all of the judicial protections that that implies.

bob
k5qwg








Ham op June 16th 05 01:12 PM

Bob Miller wrote:

SNIPPED


I'm getting bored... back to SWR.

bob
k5qwg



Ah !!! Good ol' SWR [S]hort [W]ave [R]adio

Or, am I missing sumptin ?


John Smith June 16th 05 06:21 PM

Bill:

That sounds like an excellent idea, in fact, I will fire off a few
emails to my reps and george right now... you suppose they'll read 'em?
Or, care for that matter... frown

Regards,
John

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:02:00 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

We just need a method to make them back responsible to us...


_________________________________________________

Agreed.

I would suggest we need a Constitutional amendment which allows an
initiative process at the Federal level, much like many states have.

--
BT




[email protected] June 17th 05 03:14 AM

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:47:05 -0500, (Richard
Harrison) wrote:

Cecil, W5DXP wrote:
"Which proves that $500,000 lawyers are better than $50,000 lawyers."

Yes. I was in Scotland a week ago and someone told me that there,
besides guilty or not guilty, the Scots have a third verdict available.
It is "Guilt not proven". In this verdict the person charged is not
exonorated but is released. This "guil not prioven" verdict is said to
be the origin of the term "Scot free".

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI


Thank you -- I had no idea that three-state logic was a
Scottish invention. :-)


Ken Bessler June 17th 05 07:13 AM


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:47:05 -0500, (Richard
Harrison) wrote:
Thank you -- I had no idea that three-state logic was a
Scottish invention. :-)


It's 4 state logic - you forgot PAR.

Ken
--
Just my 2¢... 73 es gd dx de Ken KGØWX
Grid EM17ip, Flying Pigs #-1055
Proud builder & owner of Elecraft K2 #4913



[email protected] June 21st 05 10:20 PM

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:13:06 -0500, "Ken Bessler"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:47:05 -0500, (Richard
Harrison) wrote:
Thank you -- I had no idea that three-state logic was a
Scottish invention. :-)


It's 4 state logic - you forgot PAR.


Which means ....


Ken



Ham op June 22nd 05 11:54 AM

SEE BELOW
en Bessler"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:47:05 -0500, (Richard
Harrison) wrote:
Thank you -- I had no idea that three-state logic was a
Scottish invention. :-)


It's 4 state logic - you forgot PAR.



Which means ....


GIVE UP RADIO! TAKE UP GOLF.


[email protected] June 24th 05 08:33 AM

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:54:49 -0400, Ham op wrote:

SEE BELOW
en Bessler"
wrote:


wrote in message
...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:47:05 -0500, (Richard
Harrison) wrote:
Thank you -- I had no idea that three-state logic was a
Scottish invention. :-)

It's 4 state logic - you forgot PAR.



Which means ....


GIVE UP RADIO! TAKE UP GOLF.


When did you hear I was deaf? And from whom? Not to mention I
woudn't be caught dead playing golf?


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