On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:27:56 -0700, "John Smith"
Gave us:

OK.

It is like this, years ago, in the 1980's, when telnet was still being
used on the predecessors of newsgroups, there was no way to logically
organize "posts."

I think that you have history problems.

Still, into the 90's, most all "news clients" lacked any meaningful
way to organize threads and/or posts.

I know that you have history problems.

At the end of the 90's a few news clients managed to "get-it-together"
and organize threads and posts with pretty good results.

I think that you have a problem with opinion over fact as well.


Now it is 2005. Windows xp comes with a completely functional news
reader which holds threads and posts in perfect order--no longer do I
have to have the text being responded to placed above the text which
is being issued in response.

Guess what? You are not the only person that is reading a thread,
and those that are are not all on windows xp. Outlook express is a
dog. It has also been around way longer than XP has.

You assume way too much, and those assumptions have ALWAYS screwed
up someone that doesn't live in your perfect world of "organized
articles".

There are protocols in place for this very reason, and all the logic
you throw at it doesn't change that fact.

Still, many ancient news readers are in
use, and the users have not bothered to upgrade them.

That has not a thing to do with the problem. Your opinion about
what is or is not a good news reader has NO bearing on proper
protocol. The problem is that posters such as yourself ASSUME way too
much, and no one else in the world needs to cater to YOUR idea of what
is modern. Again, Outhouse Express is a total dog. That opinion is
held in the eyes of many.

Also, many are
reading these posts from webpages...

Another tragic screw up. Especially when they reply from web
access.

That is all their responsibility now, if they are unwilling or unable
to setup a decent news reader and come up to speed, that is their
problem

I find that you are unwilling or to stupid to understand the fact
that not everyone even reads news the way you do. I happen to read
posts chronologically, despite my reader's capacity to show threads in
a grouped manner. That is a choice. Deciding to throw out the
standard accepted decades long protocols based on your opinion of what
is or is not modern is just plain arrogant ignorance.

--there is NO longer a real need to bottom post, indeed, it
only slows down ones interaction with the group and places an
un-necessary burden to be cutting and pruning text...

You are NOT anyone that can declare such a thing.

... the etiquette and use manuals of usenet need upgrading ...

Your brain needs to conform. That is the only upgrade required.

You claim others haven't gotten up to your modern standard and that
is where YOU are wrong. Despite any news reader clients capacity for
sorting articles, it is ALWAYS proper to make the post in a manner
such that a person reading ONLY that post can garner the gist of the
article WITHOUT any requisite to read additional articles. THAT is
the whole point. Not only that, but you idiots invariably quote the
entire article to which you respond, which is another mistake.

I will be top posting...

You are stupid... You utilization of Outhouse Express proves that
beyond a doubt. I am surprised that you aren't posting in HTML and
defending that as well. What a total ditz you must be.

end of story...

End of fact finding and declaring mission.