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Fred W4JLE August 13th 05 11:00 PM

You might be an old timer
 
You might be an old time if you can answer the following, with out diving
into your library.

Which of the following is NOT a rectifier?
a. 3B24
b. 80
c. 3C24
d. 6H6

Steel wool was once touted as a good material to make which of the
following?

a. Choke Balun
b. AF shielding
c. Linear capacitors
d. Radials for short virticals

Feel free to add your own favorite...



Walter Maxwell August 13th 05 11:14 PM

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:00:21 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

You might be an old time if you can answer the following, with out diving
into your library.

Which of the following is NOT a rectifier?
a. 3B24
b. 80
c. 3C24
d. 6H6

Steel wool was once touted as a good material to make which of the
following?

a. Choke Balun
b. AF shielding
c. Linear capacitors
d. Radials for short virticals

Feel free to add your own favorite...


Good ones, Fred, 3B24 and 3C24 are not rectifiers.

However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU

Fred W4JLE August 14th 05 12:58 AM

Close Walt, only the 3C24 was not a rectifier. Sit back, light up the pipe,
and remember the purple glow of the 3B24. You were right on about the steel
wool. I was wondering how many would remember the dufus that was trying to
tell us that steel wool and a paper towel roll was as good as ferrites.

I also wrote a letter to editor. I was a bit more sarcastic requesting the
B/H curves of steel wool.

"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:00:21 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

You might be an old time if you can answer the following, with out diving
into your library.

Which of the following is NOT a rectifier?
a. 3B24
b. 80
c. 3C24
d. 6H6

Steel wool was once touted as a good material to make which of the
following?

a. Choke Balun
b. AF shielding
c. Linear capacitors
d. Radials for short virticals

Feel free to add your own favorite...


Good ones, Fred, 3B24 and 3C24 are not rectifiers.

However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU




H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H August 14th 05 01:17 AM

Fascinating.
Steel wool is mostly empty space.
73
H.


"Fred W4JLE" wrote in message
...
Close Walt, only the 3C24 was not a rectifier. Sit back, light up the
pipe,
and remember the purple glow of the 3B24. You were right on about the
steel
wool. I was wondering how many would remember the dufus that was trying to
tell us that steel wool and a paper towel roll was as good as ferrites.

I also wrote a letter to editor. I was a bit more sarcastic requesting the
B/H curves of steel wool.

"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:00:21 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

You might be an old time if you can answer the following, with out
diving
into your library.

Which of the following is NOT a rectifier?
a. 3B24
b. 80
c. 3C24
d. 6H6

Steel wool was once touted as a good material to make which of the
following?

a. Choke Balun
b. AF shielding
c. Linear capacitors
d. Radials for short virticals

Feel free to add your own favorite...


Good ones, Fred, 3B24 and 3C24 are not rectifiers.

However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU






Roy Lewallen August 14th 05 01:25 AM

Fred W4JLE wrote:
. . .
Feel free to add your own favorite...


How often should you clean your screen grids?
a. Daily
b. Weekly
c. Monthly
d. Any time a grid leak is detected

Roy Lewallen August 14th 05 01:38 AM

Walter Maxwell wrote:
. . .
However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU


The results of your measurements were published in "Hints & Kinks" in
September 1993 QST. According to the editorial comment accompanying it,
you were prompted to make the measurements by Tom Rauch, W8JI, who had
done some measurements which indicated that the steel wool balun was
ineffective. The Hints & Kinks editor at the time, who had accepted both
the original contribution by Curt Wilson, W0KKQ and yours, was Dave
Newkirk, WJ1Z. Anyone interested in learning more about it should read
the Hints & Kinks submissions and note Dave's added editiorial comments.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Fred W4JLE August 14th 05 01:56 AM

I believe the "steel wool" balun showed up in one of the handbooks as well.

"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
Walter Maxwell wrote:
. . .
However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU


The results of your measurements were published in "Hints & Kinks" in
September 1993 QST. According to the editorial comment accompanying it,
you were prompted to make the measurements by Tom Rauch, W8JI, who had
done some measurements which indicated that the steel wool balun was
ineffective. The Hints & Kinks editor at the time, who had accepted both
the original contribution by Curt Wilson, W0KKQ and yours, was Dave
Newkirk, WJ1Z. Anyone interested in learning more about it should read
the Hints & Kinks submissions and note Dave's added editiorial comments.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL




Wes Stewart August 14th 05 02:09 AM

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:38:12 -0700, Roy Lewallen
wrote:

Walter Maxwell wrote:
. . .
However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU


The results of your measurements were published in "Hints & Kinks" in
September 1993 QST. According to the editorial comment accompanying it,
you were prompted to make the measurements by Tom Rauch, W8JI, who had
done some measurements which indicated that the steel wool balun was
ineffective. The Hints & Kinks editor at the time, who had accepted both
the original contribution by Curt Wilson, W0KKQ and yours, was Dave
Newkirk, WJ1Z. Anyone interested in learning more about it should read
the Hints & Kinks submissions and note Dave's added editiorial comments.



One legitimate ;) use for steel wool was what we used it for as kids.

When the cops cited us with a repair order for a too loud exhaust
system on our hot rods, we would stuff steel wool up the pipe and
secure it with a rusty nail in cross-drilled holes.

We would then find a handy cop and ask him to sign off that we had
fixed the problem. He would usually ask us to rev up the engine and
we would hope like hell that the steel wool didn't come flying out at
the wrong time. I think most cops were on to this but they played
along.

Roy Lewallen August 14th 05 02:52 AM

Wes Stewart wrote:

One legitimate ;) use for steel wool was what we used it for as kids.

When the cops cited us with a repair order for a too loud exhaust
system on our hot rods, we would stuff steel wool up the pipe and
secure it with a rusty nail in cross-drilled holes.

We would then find a handy cop and ask him to sign off that we had
fixed the problem. He would usually ask us to rev up the engine and
we would hope like hell that the steel wool didn't come flying out at
the wrong time. I think most cops were on to this but they played
along.


Here's a ham-radio related use. I've got a bunch of it stuffed into the
ends of the buried PVC pipes carrying my feedlines into the back yard,
in an attempt to keep the rodents from using it as a highway. Seems to
be working so far. . .

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Wes Stewart August 14th 05 03:45 AM

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:52:14 -0700, Roy Lewallen
wrote:

[snip]

Here's a ham-radio related use. I've got a bunch of it stuffed into the
ends of the buried PVC pipes carrying my feedlines into the back yard,
in an attempt to keep the rodents from using it as a highway. Seems to
be working so far. . .

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


Down here in the desert the pack rats would just say, "Thank you very
much, do you have any more?"

When my wife's office at Hughes had a problem with rodents coming
through an A/C receptacle in an exterior wall the plant maintenance
guys used either copper or bronze wool. Seems to poison them.

My problem isn't rodents in the house, it's scorpions. Killed two of
the things just last night. I'm remodeling a bathroom, where most of
them show up. I told my wife I think I'll install some UV lighting so
I can see them easier. (They fluoresce under UV.)





Dave Platt August 14th 05 03:49 AM

How often should you clean your screen grids?
a. Daily
b. Weekly
c. Monthly
d. Any time a grid leak is detected


I resist the suggestion that answer [d] is correct.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
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I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Ed Price August 14th 05 06:31 AM


"H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H" wrote in message
...
Fascinating.
Steel wool is mostly empty space.
73
H.



Even more empty after the first spark!
--
Ed
WB6WSN
El Cajon, CA USA



Ed Price August 14th 05 06:34 AM


"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:52:14 -0700, Roy Lewallen
wrote:

[snip]

Here's a ham-radio related use. I've got a bunch of it stuffed into the
ends of the buried PVC pipes carrying my feedlines into the back yard,
in an attempt to keep the rodents from using it as a highway. Seems to
be working so far. . .

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


Down here in the desert the pack rats would just say, "Thank you very
much, do you have any more?"

When my wife's office at Hughes had a problem with rodents coming
through an A/C receptacle in an exterior wall the plant maintenance
guys used either copper or bronze wool. Seems to poison them.

My problem isn't rodents in the house, it's scorpions. Killed two of
the things just last night. I'm remodeling a bathroom, where most of
them show up. I told my wife I think I'll install some UV lighting so
I can see them easier. (They fluoresce under UV.)



Wes, what's the preferred scorpion killing technique; you use a hammer or
what?

--
Ed
WB6WSN
El Cajon, CA USA



Jim - NN7K August 14th 05 08:37 AM



Ed Price wrote:
"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:52:14 -0700, Roy Lewallen
wrote:

[snip]

Here's a ham-radio related use. I've got a bunch of it stuffed into the
ends of the buried PVC pipes carrying my feedlines into the back yard,
in an attempt to keep the rodents from using it as a highway. Seems to
be working so far. . .

Roy Lewallen, W7EL



Better than just steel wool- is SOS pads- had Deer Mice (carriers of
hantavirus) running between buildings, in wire ducts- plugged with
SOS pads, stopped them. Also had professional folks, that used a
gooey substance, that (according to them !) tastes bad to rodents
for treating wood, so they didn't like to chew thru walls. Apparently
the bad taste of the soap, and the goo, along with the steel wool
does a good job of slowing them down-- It is a bit disconcerting
to open the control head of a generator, and see 8-9 pairs of
eyeballs stareing back at you! Jim NN7K

Caveat Lector August 14th 05 03:09 PM


"Dave Platt" wrote in message
...
How often should you clean your screen grids?
a. Daily
b. Weekly
c. Monthly
d. Any time a grid leak is detected


When it gets clogged with electrons
--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !



Caveat Lector August 14th 05 03:17 PM

Regarding steel wool, I recall an old old radio catalog selling an antenna
cleaning kit to shine up your antenna wire -- claims it improved reception !

Don't recall if it was steel wool or a fine sandpaper

But when you put up a brand new shiny antenna -- does it seem to work
better, just like your car runs better after a wash and wax job (;-)

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !




Walter Maxwell August 14th 05 05:46 PM

Interesting, Fred, I wasn't aware that the 3B24 was a gas-filled
rectifier. However, I used the 80, the 81 (a half-wave rectifier with
greater current capability than the 80), the 83 (a full-wave mercury
vapor rectifier) The 5Y3 was a later version of the 80, with octal
pin basing. I also used a whole bunch of 866's before SSB came along.
They powered a 203-A in one of my early rigs, a 250-TH in a later rig
in 1935, and a pair of HK-54's in another in 1937. (Or were they
HK-354's, I can't remember, yeah, 354's)

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:58:14 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

Close Walt, only the 3C24 was not a rectifier. Sit back, light up the pipe,
and remember the purple glow of the 3B24. You were right on about the steel
wool. I was wondering how many would remember the dufus that was trying to
tell us that steel wool and a paper towel roll was as good as ferrites.

I also wrote a letter to editor. I was a bit more sarcastic requesting the
B/H curves of steel wool.

Do you still have a copy of that letter? I'd like to see a copy if you
do.

Walt,W2DU

Walter Maxwell August 14th 05 05:47 PM

Thanks, Roy, I had forgetten where the stuff was published.

Walt

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:38:12 -0700, Roy Lewallen
wrote:

Walter Maxwell wrote:
. . .
However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU


The results of your measurements were published in "Hints & Kinks" in
September 1993 QST. According to the editorial comment accompanying it,
you were prompted to make the measurements by Tom Rauch, W8JI, who had
done some measurements which indicated that the steel wool balun was
ineffective. The Hints & Kinks editor at the time, who had accepted both
the original contribution by Curt Wilson, W0KKQ and yours, was Dave
Newkirk, WJ1Z. Anyone interested in learning more about it should read
the Hints & Kinks submissions and note Dave's added editiorial comments.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL



David G. Nagel August 14th 05 05:59 PM

Caveat Lector wrote:
Regarding steel wool, I recall an old old radio catalog selling an antenna
cleaning kit to shine up your antenna wire -- claims it improved reception !

Don't recall if it was steel wool or a fine sandpaper

But when you put up a brand new shiny antenna -- does it seem to work
better, just like your car runs better after a wash and wax job (;-)

Mine always gets wet in the rain that comes immediately after the wash
job. ;^)....

Fred W4JLE August 14th 05 06:18 PM

I can't belive no one has put up the correct answer. When grid leak becomes
a problem, adding a dynatron oscillator, with it's negative resistance
absorbs all the leaked electrons.

New question:

A Homotron is -
a. An electron that has been given a positive charge
b. An electron given a negative charge
c. A queer electron that blows fuses
d. Who knows, it wasn't in the list of questions I memorized.
"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
news:QgILe.578$uO2.273@fed1read07...

"Dave Platt" wrote in message
...
How often should you clean your screen grids?
a. Daily
b. Weekly
c. Monthly
d. Any time a grid leak is detected


When it gets clogged with electrons
--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !





Walter Maxwell August 14th 05 06:35 PM

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:18:11 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

I can't belive no one has put up the correct answer. When grid leak becomes
a problem, adding a dynatron oscillator, with it's negative resistance
absorbs all the leaked electrons.

New question:

A Homotron is -
a. An electron that has been given a positive charge
b. An electron given a negative charge
c. A queer electron that blows fuses
d. Who knows, it wasn't in the list of questions I memorized.

The answer is both 'a' and 'c'. An electron that has a positive charge
must be queer.

Walt, W2DU

Fred W4JLE August 14th 05 06:36 PM

Sorry, never made a copy of any letters of that type. I do now with e-mail,
but in those days carbon paper had to be located manually :)

"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message
...
I also wrote a letter to editor. I was a bit more sarcastic requesting

the
B/H curves of steel wool.

Do you still have a copy of that letter? I'd like to see a copy if you
do.

Walt,W2DU




David G. Nagel August 14th 05 09:25 PM

Walter Maxwell wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:18:11 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:


I can't belive no one has put up the correct answer. When grid leak becomes
a problem, adding a dynatron oscillator, with it's negative resistance
absorbs all the leaked electrons.

New question:

A Homotron is -
a. An electron that has been given a positive charge
b. An electron given a negative charge
c. A queer electron that blows fuses
d. Who knows, it wasn't in the list of questions I memorized.


The answer is both 'a' and 'c'. An electron that has a positive charge
must be queer.

Walt, W2DU

The correct answer is: none. A homotron has a neuter charge.

Dave WD9BDZ

Ham op August 14th 05 11:39 PM

Ed Price wrote:

SNIPPED


My problem isn't rodents in the house, it's scorpions. Killed two of
the things just last night. I'm remodeling a bathroom, where most of
them show up. I told my wife I think I'll install some UV lighting so
I can see them easier. (They fluoresce under UV.)




Wes, what's the preferred scorpion killing technique; you use a hammer or
what?


I know the design and operating principles of a hammer.

But, the design and operating principles of a 'What' escapes me!!


Ham op August 14th 05 11:41 PM

Roy Lewallen wrote:

Fred W4JLE wrote:

. . .
Feel free to add your own favorite...



How often should you clean your screen grids?
a. Daily
b. Weekly
c. Monthly
d. Any time a grid leak is detected


Obviuously when they fill up with mosquitos and black flies.


Ham op August 14th 05 11:42 PM

Best answer yet!!

Thrasher Remailer wrote:

You might be an old timer if your hamstick needs viagra to make contact.




Jim - NN7K August 14th 05 11:58 PM




New question:

A Homotron is -
a. An electron that has been given a positive charge
b. An electron given a negative charge
c. A queer electron that blows fuses
d. Who knows, it wasn't in the list of questions I memorized.
"Caveat Lector" wrote in message



Harkens back to the days of yo

Question ? The best way to prevent electrical shock is: ?

Answer (think ) was D: Double indemnety Life Insurance !

(That was on one of the early commercial FCC Phone tests!)
Jim

Wes Stewart August 15th 05 01:08 AM

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:34:59 -0700, "Ed Price"
wrote:

[snip]


Wes, what's the preferred scorpion killing technique; you use a hammer or
what?



Depends. A couple of years ago I was doing some messy sheetrock work
and was wearing an old pair of shorts. When I finished for the day I
threw them on the floor and took my shower. The next morning I
slipped them back on, when out to the kitchen and got a cup of Joe and
sat down in front of the computer to read r.r.a.a.

I was sitting here when I felt a scratching on my leg. I jumped up
and exited the shorts in record time. Sure enough, there was a bark
scorpion in my drawers. We have three species here and of course the
most dangerous is the bark scorpion and they are the ones that most
like living in houses. I smacked that one with a handy book. To stay
on topic, let me say that it was probably the ARRL Antenna Book. :-)

Otherwise, it's whatever shoe is handy.

Roy Lewallen August 15th 05 02:51 AM

Jim - NN7K wrote:

Harkens back to the days of yo

Question ? The best way to prevent electrical shock is: ?

Answer (think ) was D: Double indemnety Life Insurance !

(That was on one of the early commercial FCC Phone tests!)
Jim


He speaks the truth -- I remember that one also.

The passing score on those tests was 75%, but you only had to know the
answers to 50% in order to pass. There were four choices to each
question; two were of the quality of the one Jim quotes. So if you
answered the half you knew, you had a 50-50 chance with the rest of them
by throwing out the ridiculous answers and random guessing between the
two that remained. (Actually, you could do better yet with even less
real knowledge by using a little basic testmanship.)

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

J. Mc Laughlin August 15th 05 03:10 AM

Do not remember that question on my exam in the 50s. Do remember much
huffing and puffing about the quality of the schematics that I had to draw
and questions about B modulation (spark). Had to go to Detroit to take the
exam. Entirely different city now.

But then, you may have taken the exam before I did. Fortunately,
licenses in those days did not have age information on them. Had a job with
a radio station when I was underage - the owner, also a Scot, knew not to
ask and I knew not to tell. Still can smell the mice that got RF burned in
the ammeter shunts. Some of us are getting on......

73 Mac N8TT

--
J. Mc Laughlin; Michigan U.S.A.
Home:
"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
Jim - NN7K wrote:

Harkens back to the days of yo

Question ? The best way to prevent electrical shock is: ?

Answer (think ) was D: Double indemnety Life Insurance !

(That was on one of the early commercial FCC Phone tests!)
Jim


He speaks the truth -- I remember that one also.

The passing score on those tests was 75%, but you only had to know the
answers to 50% in order to pass. There were four choices to each
question; two were of the quality of the one Jim quotes. So if you
answered the half you knew, you had a 50-50 chance with the rest of them
by throwing out the ridiculous answers and random guessing between the
two that remained. (Actually, you could do better yet with even less
real knowledge by using a little basic testmanship.)

Roy Lewallen, W7EL




Fred W4JLE August 15th 05 04:34 AM

Walt, I just went back and checked some old notes. I show I wrote a letter
to the editor on the steel wool balun in 1977. I know Roy said 1993, but I
"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:00:21 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

You might be an old time if you can answer the following, with out diving
into your library.

Which of the following is NOT a rectifier?
a. 3B24
b. 80
c. 3C24
d. 6H6

Steel wool was once touted as a good material to make which of the
following?

a. Choke Balun
b. AF shielding
c. Linear capacitors
d. Radials for short virticals

Feel free to add your own favorite...


Good ones, Fred, 3B24 and 3C24 are not rectifiers.

However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU




Fred W4JLE August 15th 05 04:40 AM

Walt I went back through some old note books, according to my records I sent
the letter to the editor in 1977. I know Roy says 93, but I have e-mails
from that period and knew it had to be earlier.

Does that match your recollection?

"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Roy, I had forgetten where the stuff was published.

Walt

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:38:12 -0700, Roy Lewallen
wrote:

Walter Maxwell wrote:
. . .
However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU


The results of your measurements were published in "Hints & Kinks" in
September 1993 QST. According to the editorial comment accompanying it,
you were prompted to make the measurements by Tom Rauch, W8JI, who had
done some measurements which indicated that the steel wool balun was
ineffective. The Hints & Kinks editor at the time, who had accepted both
the original contribution by Curt Wilson, W0KKQ and yours, was Dave
Newkirk, WJ1Z. Anyone interested in learning more about it should read
the Hints & Kinks submissions and note Dave's added editiorial comments.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL





Roy Lewallen August 15th 05 05:16 AM

J. Mc Laughlin wrote:
. . .
But then, you may have taken the exam before I did. Fortunately,
licenses in those days did not have age information on them. Had a job with
a radio station when I was underage - the owner, also a Scot, knew not to
ask and I knew not to tell. . . .


My mother had to drive me to my first day on the job as a broadcast
engineer -- I wasn't old enough to get a driver's license or, in the
state I was in, even a learner's permit. (I did know how to drive,
though, having gotten a learner's permit in Alaska at 14. Drove quite a
bit of the way down the Alaska highway, too, unpaved at the time.) I'd
been turned down for a job as a golf caddie because I wasn't old enough.
That was 1961.

The owner of that first station I worked for became a fugitive from a
felony conviction in about 1964. Don't think they ever caught him.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Ed Price August 15th 05 05:52 AM


"Ham op" wrote in message
...
Ed Price wrote:


Wes, what's the preferred scorpion killing technique; you use a hammer or
what?


I know the design and operating principles of a hammer.



Are you certain? Can you produce any documentation or certification
regarding your competence?

--
Ed
WB6WSN
El Cajon, CA USA



H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H August 15th 05 10:30 AM

I still can't believe anyone took this seriously.
Steel wool must have slightly higher permeability than air, certainly no
match for ferrites.
73
H.

"Fred W4JLE" wrote in message
...
Walt I went back through some old note books, according to my records I
sent
the letter to the editor in 1977. I know Roy says 93, but I have e-mails
from that period and knew it had to be earlier.

Does that match your recollection?

"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Roy, I had forgetten where the stuff was published.

Walt

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:38:12 -0700, Roy Lewallen
wrote:

Walter Maxwell wrote:
. . .
However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU

The results of your measurements were published in "Hints & Kinks" in
September 1993 QST. According to the editorial comment accompanying it,
you were prompted to make the measurements by Tom Rauch, W8JI, who had
done some measurements which indicated that the steel wool balun was
ineffective. The Hints & Kinks editor at the time, who had accepted both
the original contribution by Curt Wilson, W0KKQ and yours, was Dave
Newkirk, WJ1Z. Anyone interested in learning more about it should read
the Hints & Kinks submissions and note Dave's added editiorial comments.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL







J. Mc Laughlin August 15th 05 02:22 PM

Dear Roy:
Outstanding. What a shame that that route for young people is closed.
I was able to ride a bicycle to the station. Would buy a quart of milk
on my way to the station from a delivery van and have a simple breakfast
while playing some sort of public service announcement to start the
broadcast day. My Mother had to cash my checks for me because I was working
when the bank was open. Very interesting people pass through broadcast
stations. Another form of early education.
Obviously, we both looked older than we were. Many years latter, I
learned that I had been chosen over other (smarter?) candidates for some
important opportunities because of the experience and initiative shown by
working as a broadcast "engineer." How do young people today demonstrate
such characteristics?

73, Mac N8TT
--
J. Mc Laughlin; Michigan U.S.A.
Home:
"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
J. Mc Laughlin wrote:
. . .
But then, you may have taken the exam before I did. Fortunately,
licenses in those days did not have age information on them. Had a job

with
a radio station when I was underage - the owner, also a Scot, knew not

to
ask and I knew not to tell. . . .


My mother had to drive me to my first day on the job as a broadcast
engineer -- I wasn't old enough to get a driver's license or, in the
state I was in, even a learner's permit. (I did know how to drive,
though, having gotten a learner's permit in Alaska at 14. Drove quite a
bit of the way down the Alaska highway, too, unpaved at the time.) I'd
been turned down for a job as a golf caddie because I wasn't old enough.
That was 1961.

The owner of that first station I worked for became a fugitive from a
felony conviction in about 1964. Don't think they ever caught him.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL




David G. Nagel August 15th 05 07:36 PM

Ed Price wrote:

"Ham op" wrote in message
...

Ed Price wrote:



Wes, what's the preferred scorpion killing technique; you use a hammer or
what?


I know the design and operating principles of a hammer.




Are you certain? Can you produce any documentation or certification
regarding your competence?

I'm not the person being questioned above but I took shop class in High
School. Passed with flying colors. Does that count?

Dave N

David G. Nagel August 15th 05 07:37 PM

Adam;

Do you remember "Contra Polar Energy"?
A lot of people fell for that, including yours truly.

Dave N

H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote:

I still can't believe anyone took this seriously.
Steel wool must have slightly higher permeability than air, certainly no
match for ferrites.
73
H.

"Fred W4JLE" wrote in message
...

Walt I went back through some old note books, according to my records I
sent
the letter to the editor in 1977. I know Roy says 93, but I have e-mails
from that period and knew it had to be earlier.

Does that match your recollection?

"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message
. ..

Thanks, Roy, I had forgetten where the stuff was published.

Walt

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:38:12 -0700, Roy Lewallen
wrote:


Walter Maxwell wrote:

. . .
However, some moron claimed in QST that steel wool was just as good as
ferrite for making choke baluns, but I've forgotten who the lunkhead
at the League was who believed him, and allowed stupid idea to be
published.

I complained to the League editors, who unbelieveably said 'Prove It'.
So I bought some steel wool and made two back to back baluns with it
and made measurements of common mode currents. The measurements proved
that the steel wool had absolutely no choking effect.

I reported the results of the measurements to the editors at the
League, but I can't remember whether they did anything about refuting
the original incorrect material. Perhaps your memory is better than
mine on this issue.

Walt, W2DU

The results of your measurements were published in "Hints & Kinks" in
September 1993 QST. According to the editorial comment accompanying it,
you were prompted to make the measurements by Tom Rauch, W8JI, who had
done some measurements which indicated that the steel wool balun was
ineffective. The Hints & Kinks editor at the time, who had accepted both
the original contribution by Curt Wilson, W0KKQ and yours, was Dave
Newkirk, WJ1Z. Anyone interested in learning more about it should read
the Hints & Kinks submissions and note Dave's added editiorial comments.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL





Fred W4JLE August 15th 05 08:46 PM

And if you have nothing better to do than write inane lists, and posting
them through anonymous remailers, you may be a loser regardless of age.

"Thrasher Remailer" wrote in message
...
If you have done nothing interesting in the last day, week, month or
year which is of any interest to most, you just might be an old timer.

If your newest equipment is over a decade old, you just might be an old
timer.

If 40 and younger avoid you on the nets, you just might be an old timer.

If you can't crawl the tower anymore, pullup the mast, you just might be
an old timer.

If your next stop is the resthome where your radio will be denied you,
you just might be a old timer.

If you live in the past and think the bands are over crowded, you just
might be an old timer.

If most of your exchanges and communications with others ends up into a
sermon from you, a list of everything which is wrong, constant
references to the past, and an attempt to stop progress, you might be an
old timer.

If you can't see how horrible the above is, you might be an old timer.





Mr Fed UP August 15th 05 10:24 PM

Well shucks everyone ota have one for this thread HA HA

How about being able to read 5-level baudot paper tape with out the
teletype...
Das is der kerbanginchunger
http://www.kekatos.com/teletype/gil/M28.htm

73 K4TWO Gary

This thread will prob' last about 9 months :-) ding ding ding


"Fred W4JLE" wrote in message
...
sniippeddd

Feel free to add your own favorite...






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