NO the realtor did not make any recommendation regarding the antennas at
my home. [See previous posts same subject]. The antennas were up and
operating until 1 week before the movers came and bank closing.

You are still making generalizations that are not factual. Please give
the name, city and circumstances of those realtors who say 'take them
down prior to sale'.

You persist in making generalizations that are not supported by facts.

W1MCE

Midwest Kid wrote:

"Richard G Amirault" wrote in message
...

I find that hard to believe. Do you really mean to say that a ham with 15
or 20 different antennas and two towers does *nothing* to the property
values of the houses next door?


That's what hams want you to believe. They are right of course. Lets say
your home is worth $175K before the tower. Then you try to sell your home.
You get no _offers_ because of that antenna field next door. Therefore you
cannot _prove_ that the value of your home went down. Hams are an elite
group of people like others. I find it hard to believe that a ham selling
their home would leave the antennas up while showing the home. Even if they
are going to toss them, any realtor is going to tell the person to take them
down.

In Florida, USA, last month, the national news [Good Morning America,
ABC TV] reported that a military veteran could not fly the USA flag
because the pole violated HOA rules.

What's more the Florida courts supported the HOA!!!!

W1MCE

wrote:


SNIP

As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I
returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire.
I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to fly
the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the
military of these United States of America.

I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the
rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans
from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And they
call themselves patriotic Americans........ya.

SNIP

Exactly!

Looking through this thread, I see (time and again) that the people that are
either mistrustful of HOA's or outright hostile to the idea of them don't
live in an area with covenants and HOA's.

Good!

Having read some earlier posts by some of the people posting that are the
most dead-set against the idea, I know of two that actually live in mobile
homes. (Great post on how to get good AM signal inside the metal shell,
BTW). I have nothing against house trailers -- I rented one for two years
when I was in college. However, I do think SOME of these posters are hardly
authorities on keeping up property values in upscale neighborhoods.

In this case, one size doesn't fit all -- HOA's are most definitely NOT for
everybody -- particularly people that think that rules should apply to
everyone but themselves. However, just because they're not a good fit for
you, doesn't mean they're not a good thing for others. Don't like 'em --
don't move here -- that simple.

I chose to build in my particular neighborhood precisely because of the
covenants. We built the third house in our neighborhood, and we needed to
be sure that the rest of our subdivision would be comparable homes. Six
years later, we've got a great neighborhood and our house has increased in
value substantially.

Your mileage may vary.

-- Stinger

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
et...

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

My county just east of Indy has plenty of
non CC&R neighborhoods. (snip)


I worked in Indianapolis several years ago (as a security specialist for
DFAS in what was once Ft. Ben Harrision). Since the DoD supplied our
residence, we were not personally affected by CC&R's. However, we did
casually look into purchasing a house with the idea of possibly making
that
area our home. During that process, we ran into several houses with CC&R's
(especially in the north-eastern part of town). But, on the south side of
town, none of the houses had a CC&R. That has probably changed today. But
I
don't doubt the mostly open, mostly country, areas east of Indy are still
relatively free of CC&R's.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01...
Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT
AND
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571

Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community
Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want
Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of HOA,
I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in.
Hey, I
moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits.
Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the
farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city
annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too
.........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The
cows stayed. Good neigh-
bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell
them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho.

Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those
HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint
your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that
move in next to an AIRPORT and then
expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I
choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of city
living and the
atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of woods,
dead end street, close in, yet
very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do
without, BTW. AND all the antennas I
want!


Jerry
K4KWH
"

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
news:XJAyb.270855$275.965396@attbi_s53...

"Richard G Amirault" wrote in message
...

I find that hard to believe. Do you really mean to say that a ham with
15
or 20 different antennas and two towers does *nothing* to the property
values of the houses next door?

That's what hams want you to believe. They are right of course. Lets say
your home is worth $175K before the tower. Then you try to sell your
home.
You get no _offers_ because of that antenna field next door. Therefore
you
cannot _prove_ that the value of your home went down. Hams are an elite
group of people like others. I find it hard to believe that a ham selling
their home would leave the antennas up while showing the home. Even if
they
are going to toss them, any realtor is going to tell the person to take
them
down.


He didn't when I showed my other house prior to buying
this one.


Jerry

wrote in message ...
What I read into this thread is there are people in our FREE country
that have a serious need to control other people. Those people like
another poster said are classified as HOA Cops.

When it comes to controlling them they revolt.

What is an AAA zoned area?

I live in a community where the county put in zoning laws many years ago
so the members of the HOA decided to turn over our roads to the county
for maintenance, dissolve the HOA entirely. We figured why pay dues for
road upkeep and some over zealous HOA officer/member who wants to take
his/our neighbor to court for stupid things. We already pay taxes for
road up keep but the county would not enter our plan because it was
considered private property. The only county services we had where
police, fire, ambulance. Now things are going much better. We have all
the services we where paying for but didn't receive before, the HOA Cops
are gone forever and the home owners seem to getting along much better.
There are no junk cars sitting around, no one painted their house bright
pink or any other crazy color, the grass in the yards are trimmed nice,
in fact nothing has changed in that respect. There are two 25 foot
towers now, one with a small beam the other a vertical in the plan, one
is mine. Both are hams and both are involved in emergency communications
during major storms. The neighbors call or stop and get weather updates
so they can make the necessary plans. Not one person has complained
about either of the towers, not one.

By the way, the HOA ex-official moved out about 6 months after the
county took over. He found out this is America, the land of the free.
Factually speaking, his neighbors refused to have anything to do with
him because of his over powering attitude. His friends soon followed him
down the road.

God Bless our "FREE" America.




Uncle Peter wrote:

I don't know where you live, but here we have zoning laws that control
much of the issues you are concerned about; and most towns have
enacted nusiance ordinances to handle less severe problems, such
as uncut grass, etc. BTW, I live in a AAA zoned area, and the ham
tower was not an issue. I kept in at the tree line, in the middle of
the property. Out of sight. Also, at one time I had three towers near
the house. The house next door was sold before it hit the market for
the full asking price.

Pete

Basically speaking, it is the true reason I live where I do. I have a
problem being told what I can do or when I can do it on my own property. It
doesn't mean I am disagreeable, it just means that I do believe in freedom
and the right to have and hold property as one sees fit--
within reason, of course. I believe that most people will
take care of their property without coaxing. I also believe one must choose
the neighborhood carefully and that can
be judged by the surrounding houses. In better neighbor-
hoods, one simply doesn't see pink/black houses or bright
red houses. I do NOT believe in covenants, and I avoid them. It's not a
problem since I have lived in the same house for 17 years and I mow the
grass, paint (well I
put on siding some time ago) and recently paved the driveway. Yes, I have a
70 foot tower and a VHF beam.
The dipoles have long blended in with the trees so you have to be looking
for them. I get along with the neighbors as well.

Now, if a new neighbor comes along after all these 17 years telling me I
"gotta move them antennas", I would have to reply "By whom and whose army".

Jerry

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
snippage


Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those
HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint
your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that
move in next to an AIRPORT and then
expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I
choose NOT to live in such a place.

When I lived in Coeur d' Alene a few years ago, there were the beginnings
of a fight between homeowners (not aware of whether or not it was an HOA or
not) and radio station KGA in Spokane.

When KGA went on the air something close to 70 years ago, it's transmitter
site was miles from town, and in the middle of a very rural area. Well, now
the area has built up, and the homeowners there are trying to force KGA to
move it's transmitter site and towers. This is not a small undertaking,
since broadcast stations are very restricted as to the areas that they can
place these complicated multi-tower systems, and very strict directional
patterns.

For me, I don't feel a bit sorry for those people, they knew there was a
50,000 watt radio station there when they started moving in. So did the
developers. KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's
ignorance or short-sightedness.

Brenda Ann wrote:
For me, I don't feel a bit sorry for those people, they knew there was a
50,000 watt radio station there when they started moving in. So did the
developers. KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's
ignorance or short-sightedness.

How about the "greatest good for the greatest number"? :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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Au Contraire -- a ham here who had an antenna up for years was told that the
HOA voted it an eyesore and he was to take it down --He pleaded
"Grandfathering" and a long legal battle ensued and he lost. The CC&R was
not on antennas -- but on an "obnoxious structure"

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01...
Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT
AND
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571

Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community
Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want
Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of
HOA,
I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in.
Hey, I
moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits.
Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the
farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city
annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too
........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The
cows stayed. Good neigh-
bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell
them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho.

Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those
HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint
your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that
move in next to an AIRPORT and then
expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I
choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of city
living and the
atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of wood
s,
dead end street, close in, yet
very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do
without, BTW. AND all the antennas I
want!


Jerry
K4KWH
"

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Brenda Ann wrote:
For me, I don't feel a bit sorry for those people, they knew there was a
50,000 watt radio station there when they started moving in. So did the
developers. KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's
ignorance or short-sightedness.

How about the "greatest good for the greatest number"? :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



NOPE!!

They had the choice to move there or not. Just like idiots
that move in right off the end of an airport runway, then
howl about the noise. They want to be PAID because of
the jet noise. They KNEW what they were getting into
before they moved there. As far as I am concerned, they
ought NOT get one thin dime from it.

If I move into an HOA, then I should shut up about it and
let the old buzzard power-trippers tell me what to do. But I STILL have a
choice to not move into such a place.
I am too feisty and independent to accept domination. I
believe property rights must remain dominant; i.e., your
rights end at your property line and mine end at mine.
Of course, there has to be some reasonable limits, but
what color I *must* paint my shutters? Horsefeathers!
Most neighborhoods "conform" simply by osmosis, or
peer pressure. Most people are likely to keep their property clean and
clutter-free. Most people tend to
flock to what they can afford and you will find that neighborhoods tend to
catagorize themselves; affuent,
middle class, lower middle class, fair, poor, poor-ER.
I think HOAs are unnecessary and I will NOT accept them; those puffed up
self-important busybodys will have
to kick my **** first! So the obvious thing is to just stay
away. I am perfectly content in my 1956 ranch w/basement with the
fireplaces/inserts, garage and double
carport/deck, real plaster walls and knotty pine kitchen.
The geese that reside down at a woods nearby are an extra. OH, my house is
built FAR better than most of the
houses today. During Hurricane Hugo (1989) many of those "fine" houses in my
area were blown down like the
big, bad wolf. I lost shingles. Nothing more. 96 MPH
winds.

So, with this unintended rant, I say that I have no sympathy for those
"neighbors" that moved next to a pre-
existing condition and----well, TOUGH! They shouldna
been stupid enough to move there to start with!! LOL!
Then to have the arrogance to demand that the tower
that had been there for decades(?) have to move, HA!
Again, HORSEFEATHERS! (and a few other things).

73

Jerry
K4KWH