Volker Kerkhoff wrote:
1. Acess to all information services is free.

Does God provide it as a miracle? That's the only
way it could be free. I'm willing to bet taxpayers
pay for it and all other "free" governmental services.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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Cecil Moore wrote:
Volker Kerkhoff wrote:

1. Acess to all information services is free.


Does God provide it as a miracle? That's the only
way it could be free. I'm willing to bet taxpayers
pay for it and all other "free" governmental services.

Should have specified... Free (as in free speech, not as in free lunch)
not necessarily means free of charge or other contractual terms, but
"must be acessible to anyone wanting to access it and pay the associated
charges and obey the contractual terms that go with it. Alas, I still
can't subscribe to a digital Satellite Pay-TV package sold and marketed
to germany in Spain, because the service provider does not hold a
license for selling in Spain, but I can access the 70-something
Free-to-air Sat cgannels in german, and put up a dish for it, and nobody
can legelly prevent me from doing so.

73,

Volker

On or about Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:00:43 +0100, Volker Kerkhoff
wrote about the following in article
:


Should have specified... Free (as in free speech, not as in free lunch)
not necessarily means free of charge or other contractual terms, but "must

With a statement like that, I knew that you were a Linux user even before
looking at the message headers...


--
Alex / AB2RC
Yaesu Ft100 software for Linux http://www.qsl.net/kc2ivl
Why do they call Radio "Wireless", between my shack and antennas
I must have over 1500 feet of wire!

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:21:37 GMT, Alex V Flinsch
wrote:

On or about Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:00:43 +0100, Volker Kerkhoff
wrote about the following in article
:


Should have specified... Free (as in free speech, not as in free lunch)
not necessarily means free of charge or other contractual terms, but "must

With a statement like that, I knew that you were a Linux user even before
looking at the message headers...

Well, no I am a user of whatever operating system my customer expects
me to, as long as I have the skills for it. This may involve Linux,
Solaris, various flavours of Windows, QNX, OpenVMS, Tru64, HP/UX. At
home, btw I use a linux box for a Firewall and Mail / News Gateway to
my DSL, and another one as a "playground" and File Server. In my radio
/ SWL corner I have a Windows-based PC since most of the software,
starting with ILGDB and ending with Digital Modes is simply not
available for Linux. I choose whatever tool does the job, and this may
involve all of the above.

Ah, yes, and although I have a goatee (which I keep short and well
trimmed) I feature a clean, short haircut, unlike some other gentlemen
in Linux advocacy.

Anyways, could this "free" be so misunderstood? When I hear the USA
being referred to as "The Land of the Free" I don't immediately think
"Cool, gotta go there for my next holidays, must be cheap", even
though I am not a native english speaker.

Cecil wrote,

Volker Kerkhoff wrote:
1. Acess to all information services is free.

Does God provide it as a miracle? That's the only
way it could be free. I'm willing to bet taxpayers
pay for it and all other "free" governmental services.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


Yes, like fire and police "protection." I got chewed out
by a Foster City, Ca. motorcycle officer yesterday for
slowing down as I passed a grade school when the
school wasn't in session. That chewing out was free
in the sense I didn't have to pay for it at the time and
was theoretically available to everyone, but the cop's
salary is paid by Foster City taxpayers.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Interesting discussion. As a the former treasurer of a large
complex(250 units), I was the chair of the roofing committee. The
roofs were all failing on 30 buildings and an inspector was hired to
review them. The junk that was attached to the roofs was one of the
major problems. Cables penetrating the surface etc.
In one case, a TV antenna was screwed right into the roof. When it
comes to common property like that, the association cannot allow
individuals to attach their own private stuff wherever they want.
So, homeowners can put up a TV antenna, but the association has to
protect the roofs, at a minimum, from damage.
I don't know how you can accomplish both.
Pat W

Establish a procedure by which a professional installer places all
antennas on the roof. Failure to use the approved installer can result
in the homeowner paying for replacement of everything.

Dave N

PatW wrote:
Interesting discussion. As a the former treasurer of a large
complex(250 units), I was the chair of the roofing committee. The
roofs were all failing on 30 buildings and an inspector was hired to
review them. The junk that was attached to the roofs was one of the
major problems. Cables penetrating the surface etc.
In one case, a TV antenna was screwed right into the roof. When it
comes to common property like that, the association cannot allow
individuals to attach their own private stuff wherever they want.
So, homeowners can put up a TV antenna, but the association has to
protect the roofs, at a minimum, from damage.
I don't know how you can accomplish both.
Pat W

On 19 Jan 2004 11:04:58 -0800, (PatW) wrote:

Interesting discussion. As a the former treasurer of a large
complex(250 units), I was the chair of the roofing committee. The
roofs were all failing on 30 buildings and an inspector was hired to
review them. The junk that was attached to the roofs was one of the
major problems. Cables penetrating the surface etc.
In one case, a TV antenna was screwed right into the roof. When it
comes to common property like that, the association cannot allow
individuals to attach their own private stuff wherever they want.
So, homeowners can put up a TV antenna, but the association has to
protect the roofs, at a minimum, from damage.
I don't know how you can accomplish both.
Pat W

Oh, well... Associated rather undeniable right to install your (ham or
whatever) antenna comes a lengthy section on "protecting and
safeguarding the use of common spaces by other tenants" and "not
damaging structural or other pieces of the house's infrastructure"

Keep in mind that possibly 70% of people in Spain live in appartment
blocks, even in rather small towns, not larger than a couple of 10.000
inhabitants. Real estate have skyrocketed with the governement we've
had for the last 8 years, it's hard to find even a modest, 40-year old
60 sqMtr appartment even in a 50.000 inhabitant town for less than
120.000 $US and you guys will easily get a house (maybe faaaar in the
outskirts, but a house) for that price.