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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:36:57 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote: |Hi All, | |The statement "an engineer" is certainly inaccurate by my count too. |What about Davis, Grant, and Eisenhower? I was thinking of people that I had a chance to vote for. But, what about them? If we're going to get picky. You choose to limit the population by who you could've voted for is not? Davis wasn't POTUS. He sure wasn't POTUSSR. Washington was not an engineer in the usually accepted sense of the word. A technically trained user of instrumentation for the purpose of measuring and generating specifications is not an engineer? We are not talking about Alchemy or Astrology here. Getting picky. If attending West Point makes one an engineer, then Grant and Ike were engineers. Otherwise... Otherwise? ALL graduates of West Point are engineers. West Point is the 4th overall rated Engineering school in America. It was the ONLY Engineering school in America for decades. Grant worked in his father's leather shop, and was a failed farmer and financier. (Anheuser Busch owns the farm now. I was there a couple of months ago.) I have degrees in the Liberal Arts and have made a career in Engineering. I have failed in many things. I don't suppose you want to vote for me, but then I'm not running. Ike was a jock, who went to West Point intending to play ball, not to get an engineering degree. (I was at his library, tomb, etc. a couple of months ago too.) Begs the results, he graduated with an Engineering degree. If we're looking for qualifications for greatness, maybe "self-taught" should be more important than "Harvard-educated lawyer" or "West Point-educated engineer." Washington and Lincoln top my list. (I spent some time with Abe this summer too) This, too, is picky. I can't say that I have any favorite president, especially after having put my life on the line to obey their orders. Those several, I'm sure, considered themselves great presidents. The point is, there is nothing inherently distinctive about being an Engineer, and being President, and the combination being great or bad. There is nothing distinctive about a president wearing a flight-suit for an afternoon - especially when 77% of the troops would vote for someone else ("The Army Times" Poll, Oct 2003). 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:36:48 GMT, "Larry"
wrote: A little off subject, but did you know Robert E. Lee was originally an engineer in the Army? One of the reasons he was so successful is that he helped design many of the forts he later captured... partly because he knew their structural weaknesses. Larry N8LP Hi Larry, We are all off topic. Lee graduated from West Point as Honor man. He was the first cadet to do so with 0 demerits (damned difficult to, considering using the word damn hits you with one demerit). Lee was also the Superintendent of West Point (same as Chancellor or head of a University). The infrastructure of America (canals, railways, bridges...) were all designed by West Pointers before the Civil War. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 01:31:12 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote: |On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:36:57 -0700, Wes Stewart |wrote: ||Hi All, || ||The statement "an engineer" is certainly inaccurate by my count too. ||What about Davis, Grant, and Eisenhower? | |I was thinking of people that I had a chance to vote for. But, what |about them? If we're going to get picky. | |You choose to limit the population by who you could've voted for is |not? Forgive me. This topic drifted off when Yuri (if I can remember that far back) proposed the premise that maybe we would be better off with engineers running things rather than lawyers and politicians. I offered *an* example of POTUS and *an* example of a mayor to refute this idea. I did not intend them to be the *only* examples. | |Davis wasn't POTUS. | |He sure wasn't POTUSSR. | | |Washington was not an engineer in the usually accepted sense of the |word. | |A technically trained user of instrumentation for the purpose of |measuring and generating specifications is not an engineer? We are |not talking about Alchemy or Astrology here. Getting picky. Not me, the place that I worked for sure was though. I can tell you from very personal experience that it was the accepted norm that many, many graduate engineers thought that *anyone*, regardless of talent, without an engineering degree was not a "real" engineer. Hell, I knew people that thought that if you didn't have a PhD you didn't know squat. One of these could not hold a conversation about the weather without interjecting, "When I was working on my thesis...." [snip] | I don't suppose you want |to vote for me, You have a great gift of gab, but no, I wouldn't vote for you g |
Art:
My friend you have me confused with someone else! I have never once commented or posted anything about *your* antenna inventions or technical claims. Nor do I intend to until you stop whining! What I have commented on is your many posts which contain complaints laments and cries for pity and understanding because of your claimed lack of knowledge, expertise, or whatever. Your suppositions that others do not give your *inventions* credit simply because you lack such personal qualifications is plain stupidity. Art, that's why I call you "cry baby" and "whiner". If your technical inventions/claims/whatever... are great then they will stand on their own merits and need no support by claims of the insufficient qualifications of their inventor! I have noted one here who gives a damn what technical credentials you, or any other poster to the NG, hold! Your qualifications are irrelevant to the subject. [Unless of course you happen to hold a Ph.D. from Cornell in Astrophysics, only then apparently can you claim that your graduaton diploma makes your inventions unique and special! [Heh, heh... That last sentence was not meant to denigrate that fine University, only one of it's claimed graduates.] Art, just stop your whining and let the world get on with its valid and invalid critiques of your work! Hey... Oliver Heaviside, never accepted his nomination to the Royal Society, by degreed grandees and he never completed grade school, or studied anything formally beyond age 16, yet Oliver stood with the greatest scientists, mathematicians, engineers and natural philosphers of his time simply be "doing" things that they couldn't. Education, academic degrees, and technical training mean nothing. Art my friend, it's your "track record, it's what you accomplish in life or do that is important, not what examinations you have passed! Get real you big cry baby, let what you have done or accomplished stand on it's own merits and see if it survives and what others think of it, and just stop all of your damned whining! If it doesn't survive the critiques of the world then it isn't worth a damn anyway. No one pays attention to whiners! I for one simply don't care to waste valuable time investigating any technical advances or claims put forward and supported by a whiner and whining. Whining about inferiority and lack of academic qualifications is a sure sign that the prosyletizer probably has nothing worth while to contribute. Art, put your ideas and inventions out there and let others have at it, if your ideas and accomplishments are worthy they will stand on their on, if not they wont! But whining about inferior technical qualifications...? What does that accomplish? Whining... Man, give it up! Instead, spend your bandwidth on clear concise explanations of your the benefits and originality of your technical contributions. Nuff said? -- Peter K1PO Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL. "Art Unwin KB9MZ" wrote in message m... "Peter O. Brackett" wrote in message link.net... Mac: [snip] "J. McLaughlin" wrote in message ... Dear Peter: I would have sent this to you privately, but you do not provide a valid E-mail address. [snip] The Internet "worms" nearly *killed* my computer communications capability this past year, no thanks to the younger generation of unethical "hackers" and brought to everyone courtesy of the "world's richest man", and so these days... If you want to email me direct you must send via the arrl dot net relay. :-) [snip] Well done on presenting the sequence of understanding and emphasizing the role of mathematics. [snip] Thanks! As you no doubt appreciate, it pays to know a little history only to avoid repeating it. There is very little ambiguity equivocationn or cause for argument when using the universal albeit sometimes cryptic language of mathematics. The elementary mathematical skills which Art often eschews are neither difficult nor expensive to acquire and definitely not difficult to carry around. Such skills do however require some little dedication to study... just as the ham radio license *used to* require. :-) Art's "cry baby" attitude about his lack of such skills does nothing to help either himself or the other NG participants. "Mathematics - just do it" would be a good motto for Art to follow perhaps replacing his continual complaints regarding his lack of ability and qualifications. Art's "cry baby" comments only appear boorish and become very tiresome to NG participants. Well Peter now you are being stupid and making up stories. Maybe I can expect the same tactics that you put on Chip when he made claims on antennas which you didn't understand But I am ready. You stated lack of skills on my part well I have enough of those skills that you are talking about. I made the claim of an antenna that uses all those skills and you stated a good engineer knows when to discard his model. Well Peter, if you were an engineer you would not discard it until you made a working model and compared it to theory ( using all those mathematical skills that you bandy about or as I say talking the talk). I also gave you the theoretical background of the antenna and invited you to point out the fallacies , mathematical ofcourse, and all you still do is 'talk the talk' with no show. Well Peter, if that the attitude you need to take me on with then be my guest, even with the likes of the Doctor and the Bum holding your coat or throwing snide remarks is not enough to push me off the newsgroup like you did with Chip. So go ahead and be my guest and flaunt your mathematical skills to show how I and my antenna is a fake and my skills are lacking. I would love it for you to make a stand on that subject so everybody can see who you are and what you are when forced to 'walk the walk'. If I haven't the qualifications in any subject I carefully state so especially when talking on this newsgroup, I am no way interested in infering that I am an expert where I am not, there are enough doing that already, but with respect to my antenna work I stand by it. I am willing to walk the walk but you Peter obviously feel more comfortable in just talking or making acrid remarks. So I am staying here Peter, and you can have at it and show your true colours Can I now expect for you to sue me now since you are well practiced at that? Art Unwin..... XG [snip] In "Hamerica" some real Engineers are P.E.s. It is not just for Canadians. [snip] Well Mac as you well know, MI is not far from Canada sharing both a riverside a lakeside and common weather. What's your point? :-) [snip] 73 Mac N8TT -- J. Mc Laughlin - Michigan USA [snip] Speaking of Michigan, my wife and I attended a party at our next door neighbour's home here last week. MI snowbirds, Jo and Ivan had just arrived here in FL from MI to stay over the season here in their winter home on our "tropical island". Me? Even though an ex-Canadian, I like it here on the island all year long. Mac. Take care and enjoy the Holiday Season up North. |
Art, For the last time, I am not a doctor. I have never been a doctor. And, I've never claimed to be a doctor of any kind. It's a nick name. I didn't pick it, it was 'given' to me, I didn't have any choice in the matter. But I've had it for quite some time now and have gotten used to it. If you want to misconstrue it's meaning, I can't do anything about that, other than explain as I have a number of times. If you don't like it, then I'm sorry. But don't expect me to change it, I'm not going to do that at this late date. If you don't want to call me 'Doc, that's fine, don't. My name is Paul, you can use that, or whatever your little heart desires. I'm tired of your nonsense about a nick name. ------- 'Doc ------- PS - Rather than 'snide', call my remarks about you 'pithy'. I've never been full of 'snide'. I'll probably admit to being full of 'pith'. |
Einstein : E = m*c^2
Heaviside : p = d/dt |
Petert,
I bemoan the fact that so many on this newsgroup such as yourself just do not understand complex circuits and how it relates to antennas. We have an abundance of people who can only do the talk as well as some that can do the walk. As far as antennas and complex circuitry goes you have shown that you can only do the walk. That will disapoint the Doctor of Phillosophy as well as the Bum since they now do not have anybody to follow, tailgate or whatever for their snide remarks without content. You are quite correct that having something after your name as it only shows a level of education that you have recieved and not meant to show what one has achieved. As for myself it was my future employer that paved the way with money and government interjection for me and my family to come to the U.S. If I 'fooled' them then at that time while in the U.K.then I fooled them until my retirement in the U.S.where again I became a nothing. You however, feel that not having retired retains a couple of steps above us that have, which gives you the right to admonish at will with a spray of He, He ,He's and a "What" or "****' thrown in for good measure probably to relieve your own similar tensions obtained by you from your collegues at work ! Art By the way I have this picture of you in my mind that shows you short in height but certainly not retund. Am I close? As for lifes track record time is short and the grim reaper does not give advance notice so get moving. "Peter O. Brackett" wrote in message link.net... Art: My friend you have me confused with someone else! I have never once commented or posted anything about *your* antenna inventions or technical claims. Nor do I intend to until you stop whining! What I have commented on is your many posts which contain complaints laments and cries for pity and understanding because of your claimed lack of knowledge, expertise, or whatever. Your suppositions that others do not give your *inventions* credit simply because you lack such personal qualifications is plain stupidity. Art, that's why I call you "cry baby" and "whiner". If your technical inventions/claims/whatever... are great then they will stand on their own merits and need no support by claims of the insufficient qualifications of their inventor! I have noted one here who gives a damn what technical credentials you, or any other poster to the NG, hold! Your qualifications are irrelevant to the subject. [Unless of course you happen to hold a Ph.D. from Cornell in Astrophysics, only then apparently can you claim that your graduaton diploma makes your inventions unique and special! [Heh, heh... That last sentence was not meant to denigrate that fine University, only one of it's claimed graduates.] Art, just stop your whining and let the world get on with its valid and invalid critiques of your work! Hey... Oliver Heaviside, never accepted his nomination to the Royal Society, by degreed grandees and he never completed grade school, or studied anything formally beyond age 16, yet Oliver stood with the greatest scientists, mathematicians, engineers and natural philosphers of his time simply be "doing" things that they couldn't. Education, academic degrees, and technical training mean nothing. Art my friend, it's your "track record, it's what you accomplish in life or do that is important, not what examinations you have passed! Get real you big cry baby, let what you have done or accomplished stand on it's own merits and see if it survives and what others think of it, and just stop all of your damned whining! If it doesn't survive the critiques of the world then it isn't worth a damn anyway. No one pays attention to whiners! I for one simply don't care to waste valuable time investigating any technical advances or claims put forward and supported by a whiner and whining. Whining about inferiority and lack of academic qualifications is a sure sign that the prosyletizer probably has nothing worth while to contribute. Art, put your ideas and inventions out there and let others have at it, if your ideas and accomplishments are worthy they will stand on their on, if not they wont! But whining about inferior technical qualifications...? What does that accomplish? Whining... Man, give it up! Instead, spend your bandwidth on clear concise explanations of your the benefits and originality of your technical contributions. Nuff said? -- Peter K1PO Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL. "Art Unwin KB9MZ" wrote in message m... "Peter O. Brackett" wrote in message link.net... Mac: [snip] "J. McLaughlin" wrote in message ... Dear Peter: I would have sent this to you privately, but you do not provide a valid E-mail address. [snip] The Internet "worms" nearly *killed* my computer communications capability this past year, no thanks to the younger generation of unethical "hackers" and brought to everyone courtesy of the "world's richest man", and so these days... If you want to email me direct you must send via the arrl dot net relay. :-) [snip] Well done on presenting the sequence of understanding and emphasizing the role of mathematics. [snip] Thanks! As you no doubt appreciate, it pays to know a little history only to avoid repeating it. There is very little ambiguity equivocationn or cause for argument when using the universal albeit sometimes cryptic language of mathematics. The elementary mathematical skills which Art often eschews are neither difficult nor expensive to acquire and definitely not difficult to carry around. Such skills do however require some little dedication to study... just as the ham radio license *used to* require. :-) Art's "cry baby" attitude about his lack of such skills does nothing to help either himself or the other NG participants. "Mathematics - just do it" would be a good motto for Art to follow perhaps replacing his continual complaints regarding his lack of ability and qualifications. Art's "cry baby" comments only appear boorish and become very tiresome to NG participants. Well Peter now you are being stupid and making up stories. Maybe I can expect the same tactics that you put on Chip when he made claims on antennas which you didn't understand But I am ready. You stated lack of skills on my part well I have enough of those skills that you are talking about. I made the claim of an antenna that uses all those skills and you stated a good engineer knows when to discard his model. Well Peter, if you were an engineer you would not discard it until you made a working model and compared it to theory ( using all those mathematical skills that you bandy about or as I say talking the talk). I also gave you the theoretical background of the antenna and invited you to point out the fallacies , mathematical ofcourse, and all you still do is 'talk the talk' with no show. Well Peter, if that the attitude you need to take me on with then be my guest, even with the likes of the Doctor and the Bum holding your coat or throwing snide remarks is not enough to push me off the newsgroup like you did with Chip. So go ahead and be my guest and flaunt your mathematical skills to show how I and my antenna is a fake and my skills are lacking. I would love it for you to make a stand on that subject so everybody can see who you are and what you are when forced to 'walk the walk'. If I haven't the qualifications in any subject I carefully state so especially when talking on this newsgroup, I am no way interested in infering that I am an expert where I am not, there are enough doing that already, but with respect to my antenna work I stand by it. I am willing to walk the walk but you Peter obviously feel more comfortable in just talking or making acrid remarks. So I am staying here Peter, and you can have at it and show your true colours Can I now expect for you to sue me now since you are well practiced at that? Art Unwin..... XG [snip] In "Hamerica" some real Engineers are P.E.s. It is not just for Canadians. [snip] Well Mac as you well know, MI is not far from Canada sharing both a riverside a lakeside and common weather. What's your point? :-) [snip] 73 Mac N8TT -- J. Mc Laughlin - Michigan USA [snip] Speaking of Michigan, my wife and I attended a party at our next door neighbour's home here last week. MI snowbirds, Jo and Ivan had just arrived here in FL from MI to stay over the season here in their winter home on our "tropical island". Me? Even though an ex-Canadian, I like it here on the island all year long. Mac. Take care and enjoy the Holiday Season up North. |
Art:
[snip] By the way I have this picture of you in my mind that shows you short in height but certainly not retund. Am I close? [snip] Heh, heh... yse. You really wanna know my physical description! What's with you? Next you'll be whining that a short but not rotund man is being critical of your inventions simply because you are tall and rotund! Hey! Just in case it matters and FYI... I'm 5' 8", 165 pounds, blood pressure 115/70, I run 7 minute miles daily, current age 62, born just after Pearl Harbour, and my dear wife Mary still thinks I'm a "hunk" after 40 years of marriage! What? Currently I run a "thriving" personal consulting business from my home office - doing analog and RF design for companies that no longer seem to be able to find good analog and RF designers among the current generation of Engineers - and so keep coming back to us "old farts" for new designs! What? -- Peter K1PO Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL. |
Heh, heh... yse. You really wanna know my physical description! What's with you? Could it be that he is long lost brother of Chipster? There is some silimarity :-) Pa-tents, inquiring mnid, vining, yada, yada fat BUm but back on Atkins |
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