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"Nat Gurumoorthy" wrote Reg,
I recommend the following pair of wonderful articles. Part one is in HAM RADIO, April, 1977, pp. 52-58. The second in May, 1977, pp. 29-39. The full reference is: Boyer, Joseph M. (W6UYH): "The Antenna-Transmission Line Analog". Mr Boyer simplifies the antenna analysis by equating parts of the antenna to transmission lines along the same lines that you have. Regards Nat ================================ Nat, Antennas and transmission lines are not just analogues - Antennas ARE transmission lines with controlled 'leakage'. In fact, as people forever complain on these walls, it is impossible to prevent a transmission line FROM leaking. Genuine guru's lump the names 'lines' and 'antennas' together in one volume. They may mention in passing that the mathematics are identical to both in case a casual reader doesn't realise it. But if Terman disdainfully omits mention of the obvious there's always the danger that his disciples may think it doesn't exist. I produced the brief semi-serious description just for the purpose described in the subject line ;o) ---- Reg, G4FGQ |
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Reg Edwards wrote:
Antennas and transmission lines are not just analogues - Antennas ARE transmission lines with controlled 'leakage'. In fact, as people forever complain on these walls, it is impossible to prevent a transmission line FROM leaking. The reason they are considered separately is that their functions are different. Steps are taken to minimize transmission line 'leakage'. Steps are taken to maximize antenna 'leakage'. I was surprised that, for the purpose of a ballpark conceptual analysis, Kraus considers the reflected current on a dipole to be equal to the forward current. But then I remembered 50% of the power can be radiated while the current drops by only 29.3%. Here's what Kraus says: "It is generally assumed that the current distribution of an infinitesimally thin antenna is sinusoidal and that the phase is constant over a 1/2WL interval ... A sinusoidal current distribution may be regarded as the standing wave produced by two uniform (unattenuated) traveling waves of equal amplitude moving in opposite directions along the antenna." Exactly the same thing can be said about a lossless unterminated transmission line. If lumped circuit analysis doesn't work on transmission lines with reflections, why should it be expected to work on antennas with reflections? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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![]() Exactly the same thing can be said about a lossless unterminated transmission line. If lumped circuit analysis doesn't work on transmission lines with reflections, why should it be expected to work on antennas with reflections? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp While I agree with this statement, it still doesn't prove anything about the value of the characteristic impedance and electrical length of a loading coil and the relationship between these parameters and the inductive reactance of the loading coil. This is what bothers me about the claims that the "cosine law" can be used to predict the current taper in the loading coil. Seems that there is a big leap of faith taking place when going from the observation (which I believe is correct) that current taper is caused by standing waves on the resonant antenna, and a "law" that says what we can predict that taper with a simple formula without saying anything about the shunt capacitance per unit length and series inductance per unit length of the loading coil, quantities which normally bear directly on the characteristic impedance and velocity of propagation of the EM structure (at least in an analogous transmission line case). 73 de Mike, W4EF............................................. Exactly the same thing can be said about a lossless unterminated transmission line. If lumped circuit analysis doesn't work on transmission lines with reflections, why should it be expected to work on antennas with reflections? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Michael Tope wrote:
This is what bothers me about the claims that the "cosine law" can be used to predict the current taper in the loading coil. It is certainly NOT a "cosine law". It is at best an approximation. From _Antennas_For_All_Applications_ by Kraus & Marhefka, third edition, page 464: "The difference between these (dashed) curves and the solid curves is not large but is appreciable." The solid curves are cosine curves. The dashed curves, indicating the actual current, are not cosine curves but are relatively close approximations. The only time pure cosine curves will result for net current is in a lossless situation which is certainly not entirely valid or accurate for a radiating antenna. If the magnitudes of the forward current and reflected currents are not equal, there will be a drift away from a pure cosine shape. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Mike, W4EF wrote:
"---standing waves on the resonant antenna, and a "law" that says what we can predict that taper with a simple formula---." It`s as simple as ON4UN`s Fig 9-22 center loading diagram. The resonant element is 90-degrees long. Any missimg wire length must be provided by the loading. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:54:24 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote: I produced the brief semi-serious description just for the purpose described in the subject line So, are you feeling better? ;o) |
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You have missed the point again. It is I who should be asking YOU if you are
feeling better ;o) |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:23:12 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote: You have missed the point again. It is I who should be asking YOU if you are feeling better ;o) Never been better OM. I'm off to Buenos Aires for a couple of weeks to escape the rain. Hope you are feeling better soon. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |