VE3TMT wrote:
I have come to the conclusion the only antenna I am going to be able to use
is a ground mounted dipole or random wire. No antenna supports in the yard,
no fences, no attic. I tried a vertical "flagpole" but it is just too noisy.
Nothing but me and the yards of my two neighbours. I am able to run about
60 feet of 22 gauge green enameled wire along the length of the yards. I
have done extensive reading on NVIS propagation, but I'm curious if anyone
is actually using this method on 160, 80 or 40m.

Thanks,

Max

Can you not put a small pole at each end of the building and hang a doublet?

How about a loop or doublet on small stand offs attached to the eaves of the
building?

A pair of moble whips set up as a dipole on a pole somewhere?

A perusal of the ARRL Antenna Book for other ideas?

--
Jim Pennino

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VE3TMT wrote:
I have come to the conclusion the only antenna I am going to be able to
use
is a ground mounted dipole or random wire. No antenna supports in the
yard,
no fences, no attic. I tried a vertical "flagpole" but it is just too
noisy.
Nothing but me and the yards of my two neighbours. I am able to run
about
60 feet of 22 gauge green enameled wire along the length of the yards.
I
have done extensive reading on NVIS propagation, but I'm curious if
anyone
is actually using this method on 160, 80 or 40m.
Thanks,
Max

Can you not put a small pole at each end of the building and hang a
doublet?
How about a loop or doublet on small stand offs attached to the eaves of
the
building?
A pair of moble whips set up as a dipole on a pole somewhere?
A perusal of the ARRL Antenna Book for other ideas?
Jim Pennino

Number 28 is too small to be much use, and too fragile. Get some Electric
fence wire, which is 15 gage, and as you indicate a clear length of 60 Feet,
Run several strands spaced a few inches apart for that distance. It is not
too obvious, and could be described as a way to discourage birds, or
providing the birds a place to land, depending upon whom you are answering.
By adding a loading coil in a couple of the strands, and a few shorter
lengths to provide a wider band width, you can cobble together an all band
net...... or fence! I've done it, but I ran mine along the roof peak. The
HOA wouldn't like that!

Can you not put a small pole at each end of the building and hang a
doublet?

How about a loop or doublet on small stand offs attached to the eaves of
the
building?

A pair of moble whips set up as a dipole on a pole somewhere?

A perusal of the ARRL Antenna Book for other ideas?

--
Jim Pennino

I'm located on the ground level of a two level apartment. Balcony overhangs
my yard, which would be great to hang something off, but it is a strickly
"no antennas allowed period" building. I thought about a dipole using a
pair of hamsticks, but I would have to go out and change them to operate
different bands. And the height would not be great. If I stick anything
under the balcony above me it picks up too much electrical noise from the
building. There are wall supports at each end of the balcony, approx 50'
total length, but my feedline would be visible. My main intention is to get
something, anything hidden so I can spend the winter nights warm in the
shack. I am house hunting next year!!!

Max

MD wrote:
Can you not put a small pole at each end of the building and hang a
doublet?

How about a loop or doublet on small stand offs attached to the eaves of
the
building?

A pair of moble whips set up as a dipole on a pole somewhere?

A perusal of the ARRL Antenna Book for other ideas?

--
Jim Pennino

I'm located on the ground level of a two level apartment. Balcony overhangs
my yard, which would be great to hang something off, but it is a strickly
"no antennas allowed period" building. I thought about a dipole using a
pair of hamsticks, but I would have to go out and change them to operate
different bands. And the height would not be great. If I stick anything
under the balcony above me it picks up too much electrical noise from the
building. There are wall supports at each end of the balcony, approx 50'
total length, but my feedline would be visible. My main intention is to get
something, anything hidden so I can spend the winter nights warm in the
shack. I am house hunting next year!!!

Max

Unless you use an autotuner, just about anything you do will require
changing something to work multiple bands.

How about a collapsible pole with a pair of whips on the end hung off
your window/patio with clamps. Put it up after night falls and take it
down before morning.

A pain in the butt but extra motivation to go house hunting.

--
Jim Pennino

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