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OK, guys and gals, lets move smartly on into the 21st century. John, get a
current copy of MIL-C-17. Throw away your MIL-C-17E or earlier. Cables nomenclatured simply RG-nnn/U haven't been supported by the DOD system for well over 20 years. Only M17/+++-RGNNN nomenclatured cables are truly MIL-SPEC. See below. Jerry: Here is a very condensed history of coaxial cable nomenclature. Now, in the beginning, coax impedances resulted from standard size wires and tubing. RG-8/U was 52 ohms, which resulted from the dimensions which were quickly attainable in wire manufacturing in the 1930s. RG-8A/U was the same, except the jacket was made from a plastic which did not contaminate the dielectric through migration of the plasticizer. I recently had access to some old Federal Radio and Telephone Labs records which contained quite a discussion on dielectrics and jackets. Plastic technology was pretty primitive back then. So was wire manufacturing, and braid overlaying. In the 1960s all common coaxes were normalized to round number impedances and issued new nomenclature, RG-8/U at 52 ohms becoming RG-213/U at 50.0 ohms. RG-9/U became RG-214/U, and so on ad naseum. RG-11/U was already exactly 75 ohms, so it remained the same (and then moved on to M17/6-RG11). RG-13/U, on the other hand, the double shielded half inch 74 ohm coax became RG-216/U at 75 ohms. The new numbered cables were, for all practical purposes, the same as their predecessors, except for the impedance. 50.000 ohm network analyzers were now safe. Then in the 70s came cable TV and other wideband systems, which encountered performance problems due to unpredictable phase characteristics across the frequency range. This was found to be typically caused by repetitive mechanical disturbances in the cable construction. To fully qualify the cables, swept frequency performance measurements were added to MIL-C-17E, and the nomenclature changed yet again to the present M17/+++. Now, you don't see much of this 'new' M17/+++ stuff in ham use because it is another increment more expensive, and hams typically don't have requirements for wideband, predictable phase characteristics anyway. But, RG-213/U, which we had just gotten used to then became M17/163-00001, the cheaper non-swept direct equivalent, or M17/74-RG213 for the more expensive version swept from 50 MHz to 1 GHz. And cable bearing that nomenclature better meet the specifications of the current MIL-C-17. Now, just to be clear, there is no rule anywhere against anyone with cable manufacturing facilities making coax of any kind and quality (or even rope or water hose for that matter), and labeling it RG-8, or RG-213, or RG-(anything else). So asking about RG-8 (or RG-213) is like asking what the impedance of a wet noodle is. Finally, a quote from the MIL-C-17 page in the Times Fiber RF Transmission Line Handbook pretty well summarizes it, even better than the specification itself. Especially the last sentence: "Cables that are manufactured to MIL-C-17 specification no longer carry the RG designation. Instead, they are marked with an M17 designation. For example, RG-214 has been replaced by M17/75--RG214. In the future, any new cable design will be designated by a M17 number only. "In addition to the M17 number, all cables are marked with the manufacturer's name and government identification number, for example, 'M17/75-RG214, MIL-C-17, Times Fiber Communications, 68999, AA-3409.' Cables that are not marked with all this information are not qualified and there is no guarantee of their performance." -- Crazy George |