Cecil Moore wrote:
. . . Do you think W7EL would
ever make a prediction based on the meager amount of
information provided? :-) A few years ago he provided some
information but kept changing parameters daily until I got
tired and withdrew my estimate. But it turned out in the
end that I was pretty close.
W7EL wrote:
That's entirely untrue. The record is readily available via
groups.google.com for anyone interested in seeing what really happened.
The thread was "Current in antenna loading coils controversy (long)", in
November 2003.
Roy Lewallen, W7EL
I'm also a victim of Cecil's twisted reality Roy.
I offered to make a measurement if Cecil would even loosely predict
results and tell everyone in advance what they would mean. When he
didn't
respond, I made the measurements anyway.
Time delay measurements of current at each terminal of a "bug-catcher
style" loading coil are now at:
http://www.w8ji.com/inductor_current_time_delay.htm
Cecil is also re-writing what I said on QRZ. If anyone reads back
through
his posts on this list, they will eventually find a post where he
acknowledges a phase measurement I posted on QRZ was in voltage
across the source compared to voltage across a load resistance.
My response was on Mar 9 2006 at 10:03 PM
When I measured CURRENT at each end of the inductor (in that case the
inductor was a 1-1/4" long iron core 100uH choke), current had no
detectable amplitude or phase shift. Voltage from the generator was not

in phase with current because of the inductive reactance, but current
had the same relationship at each end of the choke.
Of course Cecil wrote that off as "measuring standing wave current that

is current that doesn't flow", and then succeeded in driving off
someone who was trying to straighten him out on that. All of that is
also in this thread for anyone to read. The exact text is:
Cecil,
Good grief!!!!
I said several times that the standing wave does not move. I also said

the "wave" is not the same thing as the "current". The current is
nonzero even though the wave is stationary.
At this point it is obvious that you are just interested in causing a
fuss, and not the slightest bit interested in reaching any sort of
resolution of this item.
Bye.
73,
Gene
W4SZ
There really isn't anything anyone can do to resolve any disagreement
with Cecil, because as soon as he frustrates them into giving up he
will rewrite everything that was said. My only hope is that people who
want to learn will look at the data and understand how an inductor
really works.
It would be comical to watch Cecil twist reality if it wasn't sad. The
sad part is there will be some people out there who will accept his
twisted logic. They won't take the time to read or ask hard questions.
The good part is my understanding of what goes on in a loading coil has

been improved, and I have more data for my web pages.
Fortunately the very high traffic volume into that site keeps it at the

top of search engines.
If you or anyone else finds anything that will clarify inductor
behavior, please let me know. I don't learn much from arguing with
Cecil, but I do learn from other contributors to this thread. I'd like
to thank everyone who has contributed. Even if it doesn't help
everyone, it helps some people.
73 Tom W8JI