Gene Fuller wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
Gene Fuller has kindly explained the difference but W8JI and W7EL
seemed to have ignored his explanation.

Give it up on this line of baloney. There is not the slightest bit of
disagreement on the nature of traveling waves and standing waves.

On the contrary, you must not have read W7EL's recent posting where
he again presented his coil delay "measurements" using the standing
current phase as a measurement reference. Remember, the current you
said contains no phase information? Maybe you should share your
knowledge with W7EL?

The only person who was ever appeared to be confused was you. I am
happy Regarding the cos(kz)*cos(wt) term in a standing wave:

When you made your posting, you reinforced my argument better
than any other reference. I am very happy with your posting
and cannot thank you enough. I will continue to use it as
one of my best references for the invalidity of W7EL's coil
delay measurements.

Gene Fuller, W4SZ wrote:
In a standing wave antenna problem, such as the one you describe,
there is no remaining phase information. Any specific phase
characteristics of the traveling waves died out when the startup
transients died out.

Phase is gone. Kaput. Vanished. Cannot be recovered. Never to be
seen again.

The only "phase" remaining is the cos (kz) term, which is really
an amplitude description, not a phase.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp