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Old May 17th 06, 07:32 AM
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Ah, the "it works because I made contacts with the following DX"
antenna argument.

This may be an extremely compelling way of measuring performance of an
antenna system if done correctly.

It's certainly the most compelling kind of marketing argument snagging
prospective "magic antenna" buyers, especially those who don't have
another antenna up for comparison. But is there a way to make such an
anecdotal claim and have it mean something?

I'm thinking something along the lines of probability of making contact
with a station with identical equipment, averaged over a very very long
time.

If you know the statistical ionospheric loss for the path, the power
levels involved, and antenna gain (or LOSS) you can calculate such a
thing.

I've heard an argument recently that a particular antenna system must
not be too inefficient because it was able to produce contacts with
stations in Australia and New Zealand. The data below are in the same
category.

How do you know that the RoomCap antenna contacts were not made because
the stations on the OTHER END have much MUCH better antennas?

The dynamic range of signals present on the amateur bands is enormous.
You could have an antenna with a gain of -35dBi and still make regular
contacts. That doesn't mean it's good. How about if we stick to dB
gain relative to some simple reference antenna or the isotropic for
antenna reporting?

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Dear friends,

I am very well aware of what you mean.
Read my part "Evaluation of HF Antennas" on my homepage
and then, the many comparisons of the RoomCap with
many other, well known antennes, which were made
side on side, also found on my page.

I think, the real comparitive results is the only one that counts
for an antenna.

With best 73s

Felix HB9ABX
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Old May 17th 06, 05:36 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
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I think, the real comparitive results is the only one that counts
for an antenna.

With best 73s

Felix HB9ABX


That is only the indication that antenna works.

The REAL comparative results are the measurements done on the test range and
compared to antenna that you claim to be as good or better.
Another indication of performance would be to model the antenna in question
vs. "standard" like full size vertical.
Another meaningful test would be to compare RoomCap antenna to another
efficient mobile antenna like TexasBugcatcher or Screwdriver, on the same
car, taking field strength measurements.

If it is so good as you claim, normally one would apply for patent and make
millions by selling it. Claiming miracles and asking for money to find out
what it is, is fishing for fools.

Hams are (or were) known to be honest, gentlemen and willing to share their
ideas with others for advancement of our art. Looks like lately we have
influx of "magicians" claiming to outperform real antennas with some
miniatures. So far no winners!

Good Luck.

Yuri, K3BU, ex OK3BU


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Old May 18th 06, 04:44 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:36:28 -0400, "Yuri Blanarovich"
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Hams are (or were) known to be honest, gentlemen and willing to share their
ideas with others for advancement of our art. Looks like lately we have
influx of "magicians" claiming to outperform real antennas with some
miniatures. So far no winners!

Good Luck.

Do you remember the antenna that came out in the middle to late 70's?
It was a dipole antenna with a specially designed cobra-head that
tuned it to any HF frequency. The SWR was virtually flat across all
bands from 160 meters to 10 meters regardless of the length of wire.
No tuner needed! Several companies bought one and tried to
disassemble them. The result was always a mess of broken parts.
x-rays were fooled by the number of parts, but someone was successful
in taking one apart and yet leaving the actual connected parts of the
antenna together. It turns out the antenna was nothing but a 50 ohm
resister surrounded by many useless, broken parts frozen in the epoxy
used to seal and hide the true design of the antenna.

I wonder if that genius is still alive and well?


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73 for now
Buck
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Old May 18th 06, 04:48 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
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"Buck" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:36:28 -0400, "Yuri Blanarovich"
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Hams are (or were) known to be honest, gentlemen and willing to share
their
ideas with others for advancement of our art. Looks like lately we have
influx of "magicians" claiming to outperform real antennas with some
miniatures. So far no winners!

Good Luck.

Do you remember the antenna that came out in the middle to late 70's?
It was a dipole antenna with a specially designed cobra-head that
tuned it to any HF frequency. The SWR was virtually flat across all
bands from 160 meters to 10 meters regardless of the length of wire.
No tuner needed! Several companies bought one and tried to
disassemble them. The result was always a mess of broken parts.
x-rays were fooled by the number of parts, but someone was successful
in taking one apart and yet leaving the actual connected parts of the
antenna together. It turns out the antenna was nothing but a 50 ohm
resister surrounded by many useless, broken parts frozen in the epoxy
used to seal and hide the true design of the antenna.

I wonder if that genius is still alive and well?
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW



Yea, it was and believe still is MAXCOM magik flat antenna :-)
You can fool some people.....

Yuri


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On Wed, 17 May 2006 23:48:26 -0400, "Yuri Blanarovich"
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Yea, it was and believe still is MAXCOM magik flat antenna :-)
You can fool some people.....

Yuri

It looks like he is now selling it as an antenna tuner.

Not accounting for his marketing technique, his idea wasn't all bad.
I found a 100 ohm, 300 watt resistor when I worked for George at
Disc-Cap electronics, a surplus sales company. It was heavy, but I
wired it across the two legs of an 80 meter dipole and got less than
1.5:1 anywhere I tuned the transmitter. It was lossy compared to a
resonant antenna, but it worked ok. I would love to have one again.
In an emergency, you can't get the wrong length of antenna wire, even
no wire gave a good match and would probably radiate 100 watts at
least as well as some QRP stations . Of course one needs to HEAR the
station they are talking with sometimes....

I would love to compare the results of using that with the t2fd.

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Buck
N4PGW


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