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Old December 19th 03, 06:50 PM
Art Unwin KB9MZ
 
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Les who is in his late nineties has finally relented and
has moved to a nursing home.
Had the privelege one of have a hour long discussion
at his home on antennas. I suppose before he came along
the old saying of "every thing is known about antennas"
was probably banded about today as it was in his early days
and in part may be true except a lot of what is already known
has not been used to advantage. For that we need a person
of personal vision who is a do'r and not just a follower.
Happy holidays to all and that includes you Cecil.
Stick to your guns and what you believe in or be content
in just being a follower. Doing that does not prevent
true questioning people from 'getting along'
despite of differences.


Art
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Old December 19th 03, 07:23 PM
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Art Unwin KB9MZ wrote:
Happy holidays to all and that includes you Cecil.
Stick to your guns and what you believe in or be content
in just being a follower. Doing that does not prevent
true questioning people from 'getting along'
despite of differences.


And Happy Holidays to you and all people of good will
everywhere (presumably, that excludes SH and OBL :-).

I have a bad habit that I am trying to break - I treat
a person the way he/she treats me. I tend to retaliate
in kind when someone insults my intelligence, education,
or experience. Unfortunately, that makes me completely
incompatible with people like me. :-)
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73, Cecil, W5DXP

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Old December 19th 03, 10:19 PM
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Art,
The statement, "every thing is known about antennas", was no
more true in Mr. Moxon's day, as it is now. I seriously doubt
if you will find anyone on this NG that thinks "every thing is
known about antennas". It's an opinion, and it's yours.
Happy Holidays...
'Doc
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Old December 20th 03, 01:05 AM
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Cecil Moore wrote in message ...
Art Unwin KB9MZ wrote:
Happy holidays to all and that includes you Cecil.
Stick to your guns and what you believe in or be content
in just being a follower. Doing that does not prevent
true questioning people from 'getting along'
despite of differences.


And Happy Holidays to you and all people of good will
everywhere (presumably, that excludes SH and OBL :-).

I have a bad habit that I am trying to break - I treat
a person the way he/she treats me. I tend to retaliate
in kind when someone insults my intelligence, education,
or experience. Unfortunately, that makes me completely
incompatible with people like me. :-)




Why try to break it? Such people obviously want to
comunicate in a agressive and unsettling manner, so
you respond the same way or remain silent.
What really surprises me is some of the acrid statements
made by some experts to innocent non experts who then
fall apart when the table turns !
By the way, on the subject of lumped inductances, have you
found or know of a method to model link coupling ?
My tests using non linked coupled circuits sort of agreed
with computor programs ( lumped spaced inductances) but
unfortunately that where it ends.
I sure would like to model a variometer which is a link
coupling but I don't see a way to do it.
Regards
Art

Regards
Art
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Old December 20th 03, 03:34 AM
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Art Unwin KB9MZ wrote:
By the way, on the subject of lumped inductances, have you
found or know of a method to model link coupling ?
My tests using non linked coupled circuits sort of agreed
with computor programs ( lumped spaced inductances) but
unfortunately that where it ends.
I sure would like to model a variometer which is a link
coupling but I don't see a way to do it.


Cebik's web page has a pretty good treatment of mutual
(link) coupling at http://www.cebik.com/link/link0.html
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Old December 20th 03, 09:33 AM
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Hello,

I must ask - WHO?

"Art Unwin KB9MZ" wrote in message
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Les who is in his late nineties has finally relented and
has moved to a nursing home.
Had the privelege one of have a hour long discussion
at his home on antennas. I suppose before he came along
the old saying of "every thing is known about antennas"
was probably banded about today as it was in his early days
and in part may be true except a lot of what is already known
has not been used to advantage. For that we need a person
of personal vision who is a do'r and not just a follower.
Happy holidays to all and that includes you Cecil.
Stick to your guns and what you believe in or be content
in just being a follower. Doing that does not prevent
true questioning people from 'getting along'
despite of differences.


Art



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Old December 20th 03, 09:35 AM
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Hello,

Whoever this person is, does he know anything about "CFA" antennas then?

"'Doc" wrote in message ...


Art,
The statement, "every thing is known about antennas", was no
more true in Mr. Moxon's day, as it is now. I seriously doubt
if you will find anyone on this NG that thinks "every thing is
known about antennas". It's an opinion, and it's yours.
Happy Holidays...
'Doc



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Old December 20th 03, 01:31 PM
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'Doc wrote in message ...
Art,
The statement, "every thing is known about antennas", was no
more true in Mr. Moxon's day, as it is now. I seriously doubt
if you will find anyone on this NG that thinks "every thing is
known about antennas". It's an opinion, and it's yours.
Happy Holidays...
'Doc


That statement was given to Hately by a University professor
when he presented the CFA. I have noticed since that most experts
on antennas appear to have the same attitude. Either that or
because of so many fake claims over the years feel it is a
safe bet to denounce or ridicule anything new.
I have spent the last ten years working on antennas and as you know
have written some up and even tho they are "new" they are pushed aside.
What it takes nowadays is for somebody to raise a lot of hoopla in
the press, make enticing claims and then put a price on it knowing
that people prefer to buy.
It is sad but it does seem that with an overload of written material
on antennas hams unconciously really feel that way
If I hear you on the top band I will give you a call on my
rotatable dipole which is not new.
Art.
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Old December 20th 03, 01:35 PM
Art Unwin KB9MZ
 
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Cecil Moore wrote in message ...
Art Unwin KB9MZ wrote:
By the way, on the subject of lumped inductances, have you
found or know of a method to model link coupling ?
My tests using non linked coupled circuits sort of agreed
with computor programs ( lumped spaced inductances) but
unfortunately that where it ends.
I sure would like to model a variometer which is a link
coupling but I don't see a way to do it.


Cebik's web page has a pretty good treatment of mutual
(link) coupling at http://www.cebik.com/link/link0.html


Yes, I pointed out Cebik link tutorial earlier this week
on another thread but it doesn't help with the computor modeling.
Art
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Old December 20th 03, 02:58 PM
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Art Unwin KB9MZ wrote:

That statement was given to Hately by a University professor
when he presented the CFA. I have noticed since that most experts
on antennas appear to have the same attitude. Either that or
because of so many fake claims over the years feel it is a
safe bet to denounce or ridicule anything new.


But we aren't talking about Hartely and the CFA antenna, and
the
only one who has made the statement, "every thing is known about
antennas",
on this NG is you.
There's another alternative in addition to the two 'reasons'
this
statement was made. That is, Mr. Hartely couldn't, or wouldn't
explain
his claims in a way acceptible and understandable to his
audience. The
audience's 'job' is to try to pick it apart, to find any 'holes'
in the
claim Mr. Hartely made. That's the usual and normal process for
proving,
or disproving 'new' ideas, it isn't criticism.
The same thing is true for your 'new' ideas (or anyone
else's). If you
can't or won't explain the process of how you got to your claim,
then you
haven't proved anything. You're only making assumptions and
want people
to accept them without proof.
You have three choices, quit, or prove your assumptions, or
continue
making unsupported claims.
'Doc
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