clfe wrote:
It comes down to - if you want to do ANYTHING - be it do morse code, drive,
parachuting, whatever - you have to MEMORIZE SOMETHING - to make it happen.

My point exactly! I'm not the one saying that memorizing
is evil.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

On 2006-08-03, Cecil Moore wrote:

You missed the point. The Morse code skill exam requires
memorizing the characters. Memorizing is being condemned
as an evil act. Since memorizing is evil, the Morse code
skill exam should be the first thing to be eliminated.

Are you trying to confuse the issue by using logic?
The (no)morse issue is nothing other than a purely emotional thing.

FWIW - I took the test, I passed it (barely), I used it twice. AlMost all
of my contacts are either 20m psk31 or 6m ssb.

--
Alex/AB2RC

The term "lid" may have originated from newbie Morse operators
laying a lid on top of the relay receiver to make it easier to
distinguish the dots from the dashes.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

My mother told me stories of learning morse code this way when she worked
for the railroad. She then taught me morse code this way. For twenty yeasrs
after that I always wanted to be a ham and finally got m ylicense at about
age 35. I was fairly active for about 8 years and pretty much lost interest
when my daughter was born. In the last couple of years I have been
sporatially interested again but their alaways seems to be little projects
and interest that pull me away from it.

When I first went to work at tmy present job almost every tech that worked
there was a ham. Just about all of them retired within a few years and nnd
only a couple are still active on the ham bands. They pretty much all say
that they just dont have time for it anymore. This is where ham radio is
going, It is losing out to living.

I havent gotten totally out of it yet and am occasionally involed. Usually
working on an antenna project thinking I will become active again. I have
been asked to assist some girl scouts in getting badges but I am having a
lot of trouble finding scouts that are interested although the requirements
are very minimal

"Jimmie D" wrote in
:


The term "lid" may have originated from newbie Morse operators
laying a lid on top of the relay receiver to make it easier to
distinguish the dots from the dashes.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

My mother told me stories of learning morse code this way when she
worked for the railroad. She then taught me morse code this way. For
twenty yeasrs after that I always wanted to be a ham and finally got m
ylicense at about age 35. I was fairly active for about 8 years and
pretty much lost interest when my daughter was born. In the last couple
of years I have been sporatially interested again but their alaways
seems to be little projects and interest that pull me away from it.

When I first went to work at tmy present job almost every tech that
worked there was a ham. Just about all of them retired within a few
years and nnd only a couple are still active on the ham bands. They
pretty much all say that they just dont have time for it anymore. This
is where ham radio is going, It is losing out to living.

I havent gotten totally out of it yet and am occasionally involed.
Usually working on an antenna project thinking I will become active
again. I have been asked to assist some girl scouts in getting badges
but I am having a lot of trouble finding scouts that are interested
although the requirements are very minimal



Yes. That's understandable. Hams these days don't want to act like hams,
they like to be appliance operators. So kids don't see that CW is
important and fun. All they see is hams gabbing on a microphone like any
CB'er can do.

SC

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:35:11 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

clfe wrote:
It comes down to - if you want to do ANYTHING - be it do morse code, drive,
parachuting, whatever - you have to MEMORIZE SOMETHING - to make it happen.

My point exactly! I'm not the one saying that memorizing
is evil.

No, you're the one misrepresenting "memorizing answers, as opposed to
memorization per se, is wrong" means "memorizing is evil".

Al Klein wrote:
No, you're the one misrepresenting "memorizing answers, as opposed to
memorization per se, is wrong" means "memorizing is evil".

How the heck can someone know that the ohm is the unit
of resistance without memorizing it? How can you possibly
develop Ohm's family name from first principles? I
memorized the ARRL License Manual in the early 1950's
in order to obtain my first two amateur radio licenses.
Memorizing license manuals is absolutely nothing new.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
t...
Al Klein wrote:
No, you're the one misrepresenting "memorizing answers, as opposed to
memorization per se, is wrong" means "memorizing is evil".

How the heck can someone know that the ohm is the unit
of resistance without memorizing it? How can you possibly
develop Ohm's family name from first principles? I
memorized the ARRL License Manual in the early 1950's
in order to obtain my first two amateur radio licenses.
Memorizing license manuals is absolutely nothing new.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

I "may" be going out on a limb here but I THINK I may have figured out what
Al Klein is speaking of - possibly misrepresenting his line of thinking in
the scope of things - thus causing the confusion.

I THINK his idea of memorization or what he is referring to is as such -
lets say you have someone who wants to pass their ham exam. They buy a
manual and instead of reading the damned thing to LEARN the ins and outs of
ham radio, applicable theory, rules, regulations and so on - they simply try
to memorize each answer which is shown as the right answer - merely by A, B,
C or D. Some clown I knew, tried this - he didn't take into account that the
tests were not always in that order - when it came to the answers.

Am I correct Mr. Klein?

lou/ka3flu

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:49:46 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
No, you're the one misrepresenting "memorizing answers, as opposed to
memorization per se, is wrong" means "memorizing is evil".

How the heck can someone know that the ohm is the unit
of resistance without memorizing it?

That's exactly what I mean. You're misrepresenting "memorizing that
the answer to the question about the resistor with the orange band is
10,000 ohms" is the same as "memorizing the color code".

On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:58:19 -0400, "clfe"
wrote:

I THINK his idea of memorization or what he is referring to is as such -
lets say you have someone who wants to pass their ham exam. They buy a
manual and instead of reading the damned thing to LEARN the ins and outs of
ham radio, applicable theory, rules, regulations and so on - they simply try
to memorize each answer which is shown as the right answer - merely by A, B,
C or D. Some clown I knew, tried this - he didn't take into account that the
tests were not always in that order - when it came to the answers.

Am I correct Mr. Klein?

To paraphrase Maxwell Smart, you're thiiiiis close. Substitute "the
correct answer to each question" for "A, B ..." and you've got it.
Some things have to be memorized - you can't, as Cecil tells us,
derive laws from first principles - but there's a difference between
"the answer to the question about the oscillator is the .001ufd
capacitor" and learning the basics of a Twin-T circuit.

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:26:51 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Since memorizing is evil, the Morse code
skill exam should be the first thing to be eliminated.
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Second thing. English has to go first.

Bill, W6WRT