dxAce wrote:
an old freind wrote:

Bill Turner wrote:
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On 25 Jul 2006 11:28:39 -0700, "
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Construction/design skills and operating skills are two different
things. What does one have to do with the other?


everything if you ask most of the CW advocates

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A non-answer. Try again. What does one have to do with the other?
why try again?
that is what is insited on by the CW advocates along with anybody that
opposes the requirement is lazy or wnat to turn the ARS into CB no
proof no evidence just mantras

Id rather answer what does a CW test show about my abilty to operate on
HF when I have no intention to ever use CW. I d love an answer to that
question but I will nver get it either

Face it, you're just lazy. (Besides being horribly retarded).
you are just the prooof I need to make my point about why the Hobby is
in trouble

RHF wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
That's what you have to decide.

SC

SC - 10-4 Good Buddy ! ) ~ RHF

I give Honor and Respect to any Amateur Radio {Ham} Operator :
Who has built and uses his own Receiver and CW Transmitter
for regular CW use. I will gladly read their posts and listen to
their arguments as to "Why" CW is important to the ARS.
- BUT - "IF" all they have every done is bought ready-made
equipment and claim that CW is necessary to the ARS
- please don't waste my time.

BTW any coment on No tech has bulilt and uses (when he can someone else
to talk ) a ^M AM rig one tube and all old type of design (based on an
old ham 5 meter unit)
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"g. beat" @spam protected wrote in
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"Slow Code" wrote in message
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That's what you have to decide.

SC


Personally, I would rather have the First Class and Second Class Radio
Telephone back. Thank the broadcasters for lobbying to eliminate that
requirement -- ironic that the industry has been sliding ever since (go
figure) --

That's what happens when you lower standards, why hams don't realize that,
I'll never know. Maybe it's just laziness.

SC

Bill Turner wrote:

Construction/design skills and operating skills are two different
things. What does one have to do with the other?

Did you build your own car? Dishwasher? Toaster? Razor?


Why, certainly....and as soon as I stop these multiple, deep lacerations
gushing red, I'll delve a bit deeper into the ...


Honey..is that ambulance here yet? I'm getting real faint.....

Slow Code wrote:
"That`s what happens when you lower standards,----."

Technological progress eliminates the need for operator expertise and
close equipment supervision.

A First Class Licensed Radiotelephone Operator is no longer justified or
needed to constantly supervise a type-accepted broadcast transamitter
designed to only operate when it is operating within the rules (no
challenge with modern technology). A less technically adept person can
tell if operation is normal.

Amateur operation is different. Equipment need not be type-accepted, but
it must adhere to the rules just the same. An amateur operator is
licensed as such and that defines the "amateur radio operator". The
"ham" may or may not be interested in experimentation. The only
requirement is that he not violate the rules.

Difference between amateur and CB radio is CB can be used in business.
Amateur radio cannot.

CW radiotelegraphy was obsolete when radiotelephony appeared. This is
similar to obsolescence of the horse when the motor vehicle appeared.
Communications and transportation have moved on but Morse and horse
fanatics linger.

Amateur radio appliance operators are fine so long as the rules are
enforced. We should seek them and welcome them to the hobby.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:27:34 -0400, dxAce
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Face it, you're just lazy.

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Laziness is not the issue. It's a question of results gained for the
effort expended. Nearly everyone will put a LOT of effort into
something if they perceive a useful return on their efforts.

CW donesn't so that for most people.

Bill, W6WRT

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:14:26 -0400, Dave wrote:


Bill, I had a master machinist work for me in the 1960s. He could make ANYTHING!!

I asked him if he could make a car. Sure!! His reply: "All I need is a block of
steel 6X6X20 feet, a large milling machine, and a large lathe."

He was a Ham Radio Operator, Collins stuff of the 60s.

/s/ DD W1MCE

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The question was not if you "could" build you own car, it was "did"
you.

Bill, W6WRT

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On 25 Jul 2006 13:40:18 -0700, "RHF"
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BT - One Word : "Amateur" {Ham} as in Operator ~ RHF

All 'others' for the most part are 'appliance operators'
just like so many CB'ers - IMHO.
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Nope. It's "Amateur Radio Operator", not "Amateur Radio Constructor".

I'll ask again: What does construction skill have to do with operator
skill?

Bill, W6WRT

Bill Turner wrote:
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:27:34 -0400, dxAce
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Face it, you're just lazy.

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Laziness is not the issue. It's a question of results gained for the
effort expended. Nearly everyone will put a LOT of effort into
something if they perceive a useful return on their efforts.
indeed perosn I spent several 100 hr and got no result for it (except
early for the day dectection of my dyslexia)

CW donesn't so that for most people.

Bill, W6WRT

Laziness is not the issue. It's a question of results gained for the
effort expended. Nearly everyone will put a LOT of effort into
something if they perceive a useful return on their efforts.

CW donesn't so that for most people.

Bill, W6WRT

Tell that to anyone that uses Aurora! What is
that intenmittant buzz on my radio?? Why can't I
figure out where this interference is comming
from? Can I get my power company to eliminate
it? And, by the very nature of it, digital
wont decode it (too much distortion).
Oh, well! And, BTW,1) The First Class Phone
is no longer issued (only General), and 2),
the ONLY people NEEDING one is for Marine , and
for Airlines! These havent been required for
two way, nor broadcast services for years, now!
The only reason for the requirement for those
two services, are because of International Treaty!
Jim NN7K