Slow Code wrote:
Dumbing it down cheapened the license, making being a radio amateur
nothing special. No wonder they leaving.


I'll bet that most of the folks "leaving" are simply not renewing being
SK. Code is in a way a dying art quite literally. Which is a shame.

We have to face it, this hobby doesn't attract a lot of new blood and
the existing stock is rapidly growing older. The advantage to me is
that I can find old ham equipment at estate sales for next to nothing
but that's not what I'm posting about..

I don't think things are all that "unfair" with the maximum code speed
we currently test being 5 WPM. Of course that's what I got tested at
so you can charge bias if you want. I currently don't operate CW (heck,
I don't operate at all right now) but all that spectrum space in the
lower part of the bands is starting to beckon. I've got a code
practice program and I work on my code from time to time so maybe
someday...

So where do I fall in this debate? I certainly don't favor the removal
of the code requirement for all license classes. Extra's surely need
to be tested at the current 5 WPM. But the fact remains that the
interest in this hobby as shown by the decline in the number of
licenses needs some attention.

We don't need to "dumb" down the hobby to get more folks in it, but we
do need to bring the requirements into the current age. Before the
advent of the personal computer 20 years ago, it would have been very
expensive to set up an automated CW send and receive station, but now
you can do it for next to nothing. One can actually send and receive
CW without ever learning it and get transmission rates much faster than
just about anybody can copy by ear, just hook up your PC to the rig
load the software and voila, the no code licensee is sending and
receiving at 25 WPM the day after he failed the 5 WPM test.

On the other hand, you guys that struggled to get their code speed up
to 20 WPM so they could get their Extra have my respect. I understand
that lowering that requirement seems like we are dumbing down the
hobby, but I hope you can understand that like AM, CW is being replaced
by other modes that you and your generation have pioneered.

My greatest fear is that the FCC will totally do away with code in it's
testing requirements, which will logically lead to a mass spectrum
reassignment to make more room for voice and we will likely loose our
valuable spectrum space in the process. But once the last license goes
to SK what's to stop the FCC from giving it all away?

May code never die, there are times it's the only option, but we have
to keep the hobby relevant or it will all go away when the hobby dies.

-= Bob =-
KC4UAI

wrote in message
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I don't think things are all that "unfair" with the maximum code speed
we currently test being 5 WPM.

I don't think the code require is necessarily "unfair" somehow, but it does
seem awfully "arbitrary" these days. In *today's* world, it's just one mode
of many, and a rather unpopular one at that.

So where do I fall in this debate? I certainly don't favor the removal
of the code requirement for all license classes. Extra's surely need
to be tested at the current 5 WPM.

If we're going to make people show a certain commitment to amateur radio
before giving them advance privileges -- reasonable enough --, to me it seems
that the study should be of something more people are likely to use... say,
error correction coding theory, or modulator design or something. Or maybe
something even more practical such as demonstrating the ability to perform
link planning (antenna selection, power selection, etc.). I imagine one of
the reasons CW testing remains is because it is so easy to test compared to
those options.

I think I'm pretty much in agreement with you... 5 WPM is not an unreasonable
barrier to entry, and I don't particular oppose keeping it around, but I do
think it seems awfully arbitrary, and this refelcts somewhat poorly on hams as
a group trying to present themselves as modern and professional.

---Joel Kolstad

Joel Kolstad wrote:

I think I'm pretty much in agreement with you... 5 WPM is not an unreasonable
barrier to entry, and I don't particular oppose keeping it around, but I do
think it seems awfully arbitrary, and this refelcts somewhat poorly on hams as
a group trying to present themselves as modern and professional.


Well, we agree that we should keep this requirement, but I don't agree
that CW should seen as reflecting poorly on us hams. CW operation,
albeit old fashion, remains a useful skill that I think should be
encouraged. I do acknowledge that the new digital modes and computer
based CW does make CW skills less necessary, but I don't think we
should consider it old fashion or out of date.

-= Bob =-

wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
Joel Kolstad wrote:

I think I'm pretty much in agreement with you... 5 WPM is not an
unreasonable
barrier to entry, and I don't particular oppose keeping it around, but
I do
think it seems awfully arbitrary, and this refelcts somewhat poorly on
hams as
a group trying to present themselves as modern and professional.


Well, we agree that we should keep this requirement, but I don't agree
that CW should seen as reflecting poorly on us hams. CW operation,
albeit old fashion, remains a useful skill that I think should be
encouraged. I do acknowledge that the new digital modes and computer
based CW does make CW skills less necessary, but I don't think we
should consider it old fashion or out of date.
it is old fashioned obselete and damaging to the ARS

Not if it keeps you off HF.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:15:13 GMT, "U-Know-Who"
wrote:


Not if it keeps you off HF.
but it doesn't tom you know that


BTW, you never did say what you use the AL-80 for. Keeping warm in the
winter?

U-Know-Who wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:15:13 GMT, "U-Know-Who"
wrote:


Not if it keeps you off HF.
but it doesn't tom you know that


BTW, you never did say what you use the AL-80 for. Keeping warm in the
winter?
i don't own one you are showing that you can't or don't read the posts
your coment very well

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:32:22 -0700, bob_deep wrote:


Slow Code wrote:
Dumbing it down cheapened the license, making being a radio amateur
nothing special. No wonder they leaving.


I'll bet that most of the folks "leaving" are simply not renewing being
SK. Code is in a way a dying art quite literally. Which is a shame.

We have to face it, this hobby doesn't attract a lot of new blood and the
existing stock is rapidly growing older. The advantage to me is that I
can find old ham equipment at estate sales for next to nothing but that's
not what I'm posting about..

I don't think things are all that "unfair" with the maximum code speed we
currently test being 5 WPM. Of course that's what I got tested at so you
can charge bias if you want. I currently don't operate CW (heck, I don't
operate at all right now) but all that spectrum space in the lower part of
the bands is starting to beckon. I've got a code practice program and I
work on my code from time to time so maybe someday...

So where do I fall in this debate? I certainly don't favor the removal of
the code requirement for all license classes. Extra's surely need to be
tested at the current 5 WPM. But the fact remains that the interest in
this hobby as shown by the decline in the number of licenses needs some
attention.

We don't need to "dumb" down the hobby to get more folks in it, but we do
need to bring the requirements into the current age. Before the advent of
the personal computer 20 years ago, it would have been very expensive to
set up an automated CW send and receive station, but now you can do it for
next to nothing. One can actually send and receive CW without ever
learning it and get transmission rates much faster than just about anybody
can copy by ear, just hook up your PC to the rig load the software and
voila, the no code licensee is sending and receiving at 25 WPM the day
after he failed the 5 WPM test.

On the other hand, you guys that struggled to get their code speed up to
20 WPM so they could get their Extra have my respect. I understand that
lowering that requirement seems like we are dumbing down the hobby, but I
hope you can understand that like AM, CW is being replaced by other modes
that you and your generation have pioneered.

My greatest fear is that the FCC will totally do away with code in it's
testing requirements, which will logically lead to a mass spectrum
reassignment to make more room for voice and we will likely loose our
valuable spectrum space in the process. But once the last license goes to
SK what's to stop the FCC from giving it all away?

May code never die, there are times it's the only option, but we have to
keep the hobby relevant or it will all go away when the hobby dies.

-= Bob =-
KC4UAI

I was under the impression that CW would get through under worse
conditions and/or with lower power requirements than other modes.

Does no one run "flea power" anymore?

I sometimes listen in on 10 meters but don't hear much there. A bit of CW
every now and then, but not much of anything, usually. Maybe I'm listening
at the wrong times? Or is it mostly vacant and just freebanders buying the
10 meter rigs?

"Leroy" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:32:22 -0700, bob_deep wrote:
I sometimes listen in on 10 meters but don't hear much there. A bit of CW
every now and then, but not much of anything, usually. Maybe I'm listening
at the wrong times? Or is it mostly vacant and just freebanders buying the
10 meter rigs?


Has much to do with where we are in the sunspot cycle. A couple or three
years from now
10 meters will start to be much busier. It's my misfortune I got my upgrade
to General a year before the dead bottom of the cycle. At the age of 74 I'm
just hoping to be around long enough
to see what the high point in the cycle sounds like.(G)

Harold
KD5SAK

kd5sak wrote:

Has much to do with where we are in the sunspot cycle. A couple or three
years from now
10 meters will start to be much busier. It's my misfortune I got my upgrade
to General a year before the dead bottom of the cycle. At the age of 74 I'm
just hoping to be around long enough
to see what the high point in the cycle sounds like.(G)

Man, do anything you can to stick around. It's going to be good, and 10M
FM is just more fun than anything. Get a PRC-8 and take lots of vitamin C.
I predict that this next peak is going to be a really good one, at least as
good as '78 was.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Leroy" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:32:22 -0700, bob_deep wrote:


[SNIP]


I was under the impression that CW would get through under worse
conditions and/or with lower power requirements than other modes.


Yes that can be true. They speak of PSK as being low power but that is only
low transmit power. It takes more power to generate a 25w PSK signal than a
100watt CW signal. Computers draw a lot of power.

Does no one run "flea power" anymore?


There are a lot of QRP (low power) hobbyists.

I sometimes listen in on 10 meters but don't hear much there. A bit of CW
every now and then, but not much of anything, usually. Maybe I'm listening
at the wrong times? Or is it mostly vacant and just freebanders buying the
10 meter rigs?



Bad point in the sunspot cycle for 10 meters. It does open occasionally but
not like it does at the peak of the sunspot cycle. Right now it is not open
every day (although it may be open for a while each week). And the time of
day it is open tends to be when people are working, doing errands after
work, etc.

Dee, N8UZE