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Steve October 3rd 06 04:37 PM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
I've always been a sucker for lost causes and high tube count
boatanchors, so when I came across this SP-600 I had to
have it. This beast had been sitting on the floor of a damp garage
for decades unprotected. I spent 3 hour cleaning out mouse
turds and black widow webs. There's still an elusive black widow
that I haven't been able to kill. The top of the chassis isn't just
dusty, its crusty dust thats been hardened with mouse ****!
Yuck! Is it restorable? Maybe, with a lot of work. I'll check
the IF's and all other coils and transformers today.

The good news is its complete except for the crystal phasing
and main tuning knob as well as the handles. If anyone has
these for sale or swap, let me know.

Oh yeah, its a JX-26. Just like the one I rebuilt last winter. ;-)

Steve



K3HVG October 3rd 06 11:06 PM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
Steve,
FYI... SP-600 do not and never did have rack handles. I know they'd look
nice with them but they just didn't come with them. The only SP-600 knob
I have left is one of the 0-10 knobs. de K3HVG


Brian Hill October 4th 06 12:24 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
I've always been a sucker for lost causes and high tube count
boatanchors, so when I came across this SP-600 I had to
have it. This beast had been sitting on the floor of a damp garage
for decades unprotected. I spent 3 hour cleaning out mouse
turds and black widow webs.


Take it outside and hose it off. You wont hurt it. If you need parts email
me.
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--

Regards
B.H.
Southern, MN USA
Radios- R-5000, NRD525,SP-600,SX-28,Eton E1

Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm

Brian's Basement
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/6.htm


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g. beat October 4th 06 01:44 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...

Take it outside and hose it off. You wont hurt it. If you need parts email
me.
Remove your HAT to reply directly


--
Regards
B.H.
Southern, MN USA
Radios- R-5000, NRD525,SP-600,SX-28,Eton E1

Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm


Brian -

What generator is that you haev on the left side of your workbench.

I think I have only seen one other of these ..... can't remember it (model)

g. beat



Steve October 4th 06 02:01 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
I'm sure you're right, but the JX-26 I restored last year has handles,
and they appear to be original. The one I just got has holes in
exactly the same place, and sure look like they were there
originally. Is there a chance that some versions had them but
most didn't?

Steve W6SSP

"K3HVG" wrote in message
...
Steve,
FYI... SP-600 do not and never did have rack handles. I know they'd look
nice with them but they just didn't come with them. The only SP-600 knob I
have left is one of the 0-10 knobs. de K3HVG




Brian Hill October 4th 06 02:01 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 

"g. beat " w9gb@spam protected wrote in message

Brian -

What generator is that you haev on the left side of your workbench.

I think I have only seen one other of these ..... can't remember it
(model)

g. beat



I think your refering to the Simpson Genescope. Very neat peice of gear. I
got it from Chuck Dachis a few years ago. Heres a little info on it:
http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/rad...es/multi.shtml


--

Regards
B.H.
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm


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Steve October 4th 06 02:16 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
Brian,
I have one of these (Genoscope) as well. It is a very interesting
piece of test equipment. The mirror for the scope is the thing
that made me buy mine.

I'm too chicken to hose down the SP-600. I've dealt with
too many radios that had open IF transformers due to corrosion.
I don't want to wash the mouse **** into those IF cans!
I'll do it the hard way. No pain no gain!

Steve
"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...

"g. beat " w9gb@spam protected wrote in message

Brian -

What generator is that you haev on the left side of your workbench.

I think I have only seen one other of these ..... can't remember it
(model)

g. beat



I think your refering to the Simpson Genescope. Very neat peice of gear. I
got it from Chuck Dachis a few years ago. Heres a little info on it:
http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/rad...es/multi.shtml


--

Regards
B.H.
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm


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COLIN LAMB October 4th 06 02:29 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
And, what is the problem. What would you do if, instead, you found a brand
new, in the box, SP-600. You would have to leave it in the box and not
touch it. Even worse would be to find one in a sealed box. Then, you could
x-ray it and store it safely.

But, in your case, you will restore it and know every inch of it. And,
because it is less than perfect, you can use it. You can even make
modifications to it without getting the blessing from the pope.

If you do not have 1/2 a dozen rigs in your collection that start out like
that, you do not have much of a collection. I know some collectors that
consider every rig that is a bit less than perfect as a parts rig. That is
an admission of failure.

Colin K7FM



g. beat October 4th 06 02:41 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
"COLIN LAMB" wrote in message
ink.net...

If you do not have 1/2 a dozen rigs in your collection that start out like
that, you do not have much of a collection. I know some collectors that
consider every rig that is a bit less than perfect as a parts rig. That
is an admission of failure.

Colin K7FM

Sounds like my Weller TCP-1 collection !!

They all work from the 1966 black bakelite to the last Navy contract
1976/1977 versions

Just picked up a Weller (UK) version -- that has Bulgin plug. That plug
arrives later this week - and then this one will be mated with matching
iron.

When does it end? ever?

w9gb



Rob Mills October 4th 06 02:41 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...

I'm sure you're right, but the JX-26 I restored last year has handles,

and they appear to be original.

The one I had (sold it in the early 80's) had handles. RM~



Steve October 4th 06 02:57 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
Colin,
No problem here. I'm happy to have it! All I was saying is
I've never seen a radio in this kind of condition, and thats
in 35+ years as a ham and collector of radio stuff.
I cannot describe its condition.....you'd have to see
(and smell) it. It will be a major challenge to restore.

I already have an SP-600 in near mint condition that
stays inside next to all of my other nice stuff. This latest
radio will never be mint, but will end up in my garage
shop to replace a Realistic DX-160. Useful for listening
to the 40 meter swap net, and WWV to cal my counter
timebase.

Steve
p.s.-I'm not a 'leave it on the shelf' collector....all of my
equipment gets used.

"COLIN LAMB" wrote in message
ink.net...
And, what is the problem. What would you do if, instead, you found a
brand new, in the box, SP-600. You would have to leave it in the box and
not touch it. Even worse would be to find one in a sealed box. Then, you
could x-ray it and store it safely.

But, in your case, you will restore it and know every inch of it. And,
because it is less than perfect, you can use it. You can even make
modifications to it without getting the blessing from the pope.

If you do not have 1/2 a dozen rigs in your collection that start out like
that, you do not have much of a collection. I know some collectors that
consider every rig that is a bit less than perfect as a parts rig. That
is an admission of failure.

Colin K7FM




Brian Hill October 4th 06 04:02 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Brian,
I have one of these (Genoscope) as well. It is a very interesting
piece of test equipment. The mirror for the scope is the thing
that made me buy mine.

I'm too chicken to hose down the SP-600. I've dealt with
too many radios that had open IF transformers due to corrosion.
I don't want to wash the mouse **** into those IF cans!
I'll do it the hard way. No pain no gain!


You dont want to drench the cans. Just rinse the deck with a controled
spray. Have fun. :)

BH



COLIN LAMB October 4th 06 05:05 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
"I've never seen a radio in this kind of condition, and thats
in 35+ years as a ham and collector of radio stuff.
I cannot describe its condition.....you'd have to see
(and smell) it. It will be a major challenge to restore."

Perfect one to restore. I once got an amplifier that apparently had
parasitics. Meters broken; face and inside spray-painted and sides and
front panel apparently hit with a chain. Band-switch burnt beyond
recognition. No bottom cabinet (roll around type), It looked ok when I got
done and worked, but did not look like original. Felt good putting that
sucker back on the air.

My best work was a Johnson Adventurer that had about 10 extra holes in the
front panel. The panel was restored, although I never duplicated the
original Johnson paint scheme.

Now, if only I had an engraving machine to make new engraved front panels.

Colin K7FM



Spamfree October 4th 06 05:15 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
"COLIN LAMB" wrote in message
ink.net...
"I've never seen a radio in this kind of condition, and thats
in 35+ years as a ham and collector of radio stuff.
I cannot describe its condition.....you'd have to see
(and smell) it. It will be a major challenge to restore."

Perfect one to restore. I once got an amplifier that apparently had
parasitics. Meters broken; face and inside spray-painted and sides and
front panel apparently hit with a chain. Band-switch burnt beyond
recognition. No bottom cabinet (roll around type), It looked ok when I
got done and worked, but did not look like original. Felt good putting
that sucker back on the air.

My best work was a Johnson Adventurer that had about 10 extra holes in the
front panel. The panel was restored, although I never duplicated the
original Johnson paint scheme.

Now, if only I had an engraving machine to make new engraved front panels.

Colin K7FM



Hey Brian, you did a good job! That one radio - the "black"(?) one (looked
black to me) looked really nice. The one which had the white lettering
standing out. Good Pics and one hell of a good job! Did you redo the
lettering with a "model" paint brush or what? Looks like you had a pretty
steady hand if ya did.



Steven October 4th 06 08:20 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 

COLIN LAMB wrote:
And, what is the problem. What would you do if, instead, you found a brand
new, in the box, SP-600. You would have to leave it in the box and not
touch it. Even worse would be to find one in a sealed box. Then, you could
x-ray it and store it safely.

But, in your case, you will restore it and know every inch of it. And,
because it is less than perfect, you can use it. You can even make
modifications to it without getting the blessing from the pope.

If you do not have 1/2 a dozen rigs in your collection that start out like
that, you do not have much of a collection. I know some collectors that
consider every rig that is a bit less than perfect as a parts rig. That is
an admission of failure.

Colin K7FM


Not getting it to do it's job is failure, if it's if it sees a lot of
use, ugly is okay until you can do better as long as that won't matter.
A threat to the set's life is the best reason not to try until it can
be saved, but ugly is a great teacher.


WDØHCO - Biz October 4th 06 12:05 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 
JUST A WARNING TO ALL RESTORERS OF RAT INFESTED RADIOS......



Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome

Definition***

Hantavirus is a disease characterized by flu-like symptoms followed by
respiratory failure.

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

Hantavirus has probably caused people to get sick for years in the United
States, but it was not recognized until recently.

A 1993 outbreak of fatal respiratory illness on an Indian reservation in the
Four Corners area (the border of Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona)
led epidemiologists to the discovery of hantavirus as the causative agent.
Since that discovery, hantavirus disease has been reported in every western
state, and in many eastern states.

Hantavirus is carried by rodents, particularly deer mice, and is present in
their urine and feces. The virus does not cause disease in the carrier
animal. Humans are thought to become infected when they are exposed to
contaminated dust from the nests or droppings of mice.

The disease is not, however, passed between humans. Contaminated dust is
often encountered when cleaning long-vacated dwellings, sheds, or other
enclosed areas.

The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that
rodents carrying hantavirus have been found in at least twenty national
parks and that it is possible that the virus is in all of the parks.

Epidemiologists at the CDC suspect that campers and hikers may have a higher
chance of contracting the disease than most people. This is due to the fact
that they pitch tents on the forest floor and lay their sleeping bags down
in musty cabins.

So far, however, of the more than 100 cases that have been reported in the
U.S., only two were directly linked to camping or hiking. Most people who
are exposed have come into contact with rodent droppings in their own homes.

The initial symptoms of hantavirus disease closely resemble influenza. The
disease begins abruptly with fever, chills, muscle aches (myalgia),
headache, nausea and vomiting, and malaise. A dry cough may be present. The
fever may be higher in younger people than in older people.

For a very short period, the infected person feels somewhat better, but this
is followed within a day or two by an increased respiratory rate caused by a
seepage of fluid into the lungs. The initial shortness of breath is subtle
and the patient may be unaware of it, but progression is rapid. The patient
ultimately develops respiratory failure.

An effective treatment for hantavirus is not yet available. Even with
intensive therapy, more than half of the diagnosed cases have been fatal.


Steven October 4th 06 01:05 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 

WDØHCO - Biz wrote:
JUST A WARNING TO ALL RESTORERS OF RAT INFESTED RADIOS......



Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome

Definition

Hantavirus is a disease characterized by flu-like symptoms followed by
respiratory failure.

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

Hantavirus has probably caused people to get sick for years in the United
States, but it was not recognized until recently.

A 1993 outbreak of fatal respiratory illness on an Indian reservation in the
Four Corners area (the border of Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona)
led epidemiologists to the discovery of hantavirus as the causative agent.
Since that discovery, hantavirus disease has been reported in every western
state, and in many eastern states.

Hantavirus is carried by rodents, particularly deer mice, and is present in
their urine and feces. The virus does not cause disease in the carrier
animal. Humans are thought to become infected when they are exposed to
contaminated dust from the nests or droppings of mice.

The disease is not, however, passed between humans. Contaminated dust is
often encountered when cleaning long-vacated dwellings, sheds, or other
enclosed areas.

The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that
rodents carrying hantavirus have been found in at least twenty national
parks and that it is possible that the virus is in all of the parks.

Epidemiologists at the CDC suspect that campers and hikers may have a higher
chance of contracting the disease than most people. This is due to the fact
that they pitch tents on the forest floor and lay their sleeping bags down
in musty cabins.

So far, however, of the more than 100 cases that have been reported in the
U.S., only two were directly linked to camping or hiking. Most people who
are exposed have come into contact with rodent droppings in their own homes.

The initial symptoms of hantavirus disease closely resemble influenza. The
disease begins abruptly with fever, chills, muscle aches (myalgia),
headache, nausea and vomiting, and malaise. A dry cough may be present. The
fever may be higher in younger people than in older people.

For a very short period, the infected person feels somewhat better, but this
is followed within a day or two by an increased respiratory rate caused by a
seepage of fluid into the lungs. The initial shortness of breath is subtle
and the patient may be unaware of it, but progression is rapid. The patient
ultimately develops respiratory failure.

An effective treatment for hantavirus is not yet available. Even with
intensive therapy, more than half of the diagnosed cases have been fatal.


Thanks for sharing that. You didn't mention if it causes insanity in
computer posters though.


K3HVG October 4th 06 02:46 PM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
Well.. anything's possible, but I have original original Hammarlund and
MIL books for the entire series, plus the factory brochures. None show
handles nor are they listed in any parts breakdown (IPB)that I have.
Having said that, I'm sure some agencies machine shop could have readily
installed them. One point... I have seen some SP-600's that came out of
NSA that had countersunk holes on the extreme left and right edges,
aligned with the rack screw holes. I'm told they were for a visual
security cover for the front panel. At any rate, if anyone has a mfgr's
picture of one with handles, I'd like to see it. I may want to
retrofit. As I mentioned originally, they would look good.

Rob Mills wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
...


I'm sure you're right, but the JX-26 I restored last year has handles,


and they appear to be original.

The one I had (sold it in the early 80's) had handles. RM~




Jiri Placek October 4th 06 03:02 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 

WDØHCO - Biz wrote:
JUST A WARNING TO ALL RESTORERS OF RAT INFESTED RADIOS......
Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome


Hantavirus will survive outsite the host body for only several days
when exposed to air at room temperature. I would consider any radio
hantavirus safe provided it was kept out of rodent infested area for a
week or longer. There is no need to be excessively paranoid after the
quarantine period is over.

Hantavirus is susceptible to UV light so sun light would inactivate
viral particles much faster. Viral particles are protected by a layer
of lipids so an exposure to a surfactant like a detergent or to a
solvent like isopropanol (rubbing alcohol) would inactivate them fast
as well.

Those with allergies would be however still some concerned about
exposure to mold spores and similar allergens that may be present on
the surface of droppings.

Jiri Placek
Boyertown, PA


[email protected] October 4th 06 03:16 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 
Another hobby I have been into is restoring and collecting pinball
machines. I picked up an old machine a couple of winters ago that sat
in a barn for years. Brought it home and cleaned out the rats nests
and left in the garage. Summer hit and the rat **** that had soaked
into the wood stunk BIG time. Used javex to try to disinfect but no
match for the smell.

Sold it to a guy who has posted in this group. He said it eventually
faded but...

I won't buy anything in the winter that is wood that has had a nest in
it.

Brian



WDØHCO - Biz wrote:
JUST A WARNING TO ALL RESTORERS OF RAT INFESTED RADIOS......



Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome

Definition

Hantavirus is a disease characterized by flu-like symptoms followed by
respiratory failure.

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

Hantavirus has probably caused people to get sick for years in the United
States, but it was not recognized until recently.

A 1993 outbreak of fatal respiratory illness on an Indian reservation in the
Four Corners area (the border of Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona)
led epidemiologists to the discovery of hantavirus as the causative agent.
Since that discovery, hantavirus disease has been reported in every western
state, and in many eastern states.

Hantavirus is carried by rodents, particularly deer mice, and is present in
their urine and feces. The virus does not cause disease in the carrier
animal. Humans are thought to become infected when they are exposed to
contaminated dust from the nests or droppings of mice.

The disease is not, however, passed between humans. Contaminated dust is
often encountered when cleaning long-vacated dwellings, sheds, or other
enclosed areas.

The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that
rodents carrying hantavirus have been found in at least twenty national
parks and that it is possible that the virus is in all of the parks.

Epidemiologists at the CDC suspect that campers and hikers may have a higher
chance of contracting the disease than most people. This is due to the fact
that they pitch tents on the forest floor and lay their sleeping bags down
in musty cabins.

So far, however, of the more than 100 cases that have been reported in the
U.S., only two were directly linked to camping or hiking. Most people who
are exposed have come into contact with rodent droppings in their own homes.

The initial symptoms of hantavirus disease closely resemble influenza. The
disease begins abruptly with fever, chills, muscle aches (myalgia),
headache, nausea and vomiting, and malaise. A dry cough may be present. The
fever may be higher in younger people than in older people.

For a very short period, the infected person feels somewhat better, but this
is followed within a day or two by an increased respiratory rate caused by a
seepage of fluid into the lungs. The initial shortness of breath is subtle
and the patient may be unaware of it, but progression is rapid. The patient
ultimately develops respiratory failure.

An effective treatment for hantavirus is not yet available. Even with
intensive therapy, more than half of the diagnosed cases have been fatal.



Bill Jeffrey October 4th 06 06:35 PM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
Steve wrote:
Brian,

I'm too chicken to hose down the SP-600. I've dealt with
too many radios that had open IF transformers due to corrosion.
I don't want to wash the mouse **** into those IF cans!
I'll do it the hard way. No pain no gain!


Sounds like a candiate for the dishwasher treatment. Believe it or not,
several of our members report running really cruddy radios through the
dishwasher with good results. You might do a Google Groups search to
find the relevant details re sealing up transformers, etc.

Bill

Brian Hill October 4th 06 06:47 PM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 

"Bill Jeffrey" wrote in message
...
Steve wrote:
Brian,

I'm too chicken to hose down the SP-600. I've dealt with
too many radios that had open IF transformers due to corrosion.
I don't want to wash the mouse **** into those IF cans!
I'll do it the hard way. No pain no gain!


Sounds like a candiate for the dishwasher treatment. Believe it or not,
several of our members report running really cruddy radios through the
dishwasher with good results. You might do a Google Groups search to find
the relevant details re sealing up transformers, etc.

Bill


It may not fit in a dishwasher. I spray em down with Simple Green and let
sit for 1/2hr then rinse. Never had a problem. The military does it, did you
know that?

BH



Mike Andrews October 4th 06 07:00 PM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
In rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors Brian Hill wrote:

"Bill Jeffrey" wrote in message
...
Steve wrote:
Brian,

I'm too chicken to hose down the SP-600. I've dealt with
too many radios that had open IF transformers due to corrosion.
I don't want to wash the mouse **** into those IF cans!
I'll do it the hard way. No pain no gain!


Sounds like a candiate for the dishwasher treatment. Believe it or not,
several of our members report running really cruddy radios through the
dishwasher with good results. You might do a Google Groups search to find
the relevant details re sealing up transformers, etc.

Bill


It may not fit in a dishwasher. I spray em down with Simple Green and let
sit for 1/2hr then rinse. Never had a problem. The military does it, did you
know that?


When did they change to Simple Green from duPont 409? We bought it by
the palletload.

--
ohnosecond. n:
The shortest possible instant of time, far shorter than the
so-called "Planck time", is the interval between hitting a key
and realizing that one should *NOT* have hit _that_ key.

Brian Hill October 4th 06 07:10 PM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 

"Mike Andrews" wrote in message

When did they change to Simple Green from duPont 409? We bought it by
the palletload.

--
ohnosecond. n:
The shortest possible instant of time, far shorter than the
so-called "Planck time", is the interval between hitting a key
and realizing that one should *NOT* have hit _that_ key.



I'm sure your right. I was just refering to the washing. I just think SG is
good smelling and does a great job and is biodegradable. I think you can
dribk the stuff and it wont kill ya? Don't hold me to it though! :)

BH



Hagstar October 4th 06 10:12 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 

wrote in message
oups.com..
Brought it home and cleaned out the rats nests
and left in the garage. Summer hit and the rat **** that had soaked
into the wood stunk BIG time. Used javex to try to disinfect but no
match for the smell.

Ammonia (Javex) on urine is much like gasoline on fire. The urine smell has
a big ammonia component. You need one of ammonia's enemies, such as chlorine
or hydrogen peroxide.

John H.



Brian Hill October 4th 06 10:29 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

Don't spray chlorine bleach on fresh urine.. the resulting gas is NASTY..



And how do you know that Brenda? Why do I think kids or pets? : )

BH



Hagstar October 4th 06 10:47 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...


--



Ammonia (Javex) on urine is much like gasoline on fire. The urine smell
has a big ammonia component. You need one of ammonia's enemies, such as
chlorine or hydrogen peroxide.


Caveat....

Don't spray chlorine bleach on fresh urine.. the resulting gas is NASTY..



True- I should have said this MUST be done outside or under a fume hood. The
peroxide is less noxious but it must be the 30% pool shock/ water treatment
grade. Fabreze or proprietary enzyme treatments for urine work on milder
cases if the wood is repeatedly saturated and allowed to dry.

John H.



John Goller, k9uwa October 5th 06 01:10 AM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 
In article , says...


There is a product called X-O .... like for X it Out if you will..
janitor supply places have it... this stuff you just spritz it onto
chassis and wood and anyplace else that has mouse pee on it and the stuff
neutralizes the smell completely...

John k9uwa



amyotte October 5th 06 02:11 AM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...


--
Say no to institutionalized interference.
Just say NO to HD/IBOC!
"Hagstar" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com..
Brought it home and cleaned out the rats nests
and left in the garage. Summer hit and the rat **** that had soaked
into the wood stunk BIG time. Used javex to try to disinfect but no
match for the smell.

Ammonia (Javex) on urine is much like gasoline on fire. The urine smell
has a big ammonia component. You need one of ammonia's enemies, such as
chlorine or hydrogen peroxide.


Caveat....

Don't spray chlorine bleach on fresh urine.. the resulting gas is NASTY..


I found that out - if you do a google search on groups with this string
"disinfect a cabinet javex" you'll find the thread I based this usage on.
Brian




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Chas October 5th 06 03:11 AM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 
To get rid of most odors, especially cat urine, combine an 8 oz. bottle of
Hydrogen Peroxide with a level teaspoon of Baking Soda, add a drop of any
handsoap, pour on the affected area, rug, wood, concrete. Let it dry, a
couple of applications may be needed. I've had more success with this than
ANY store bought stuff.


"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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Say no to institutionalized interference.
Just say NO to HD/IBOC!
"Brian Hill" wrote in message
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

Don't spray chlorine bleach on fresh urine.. the resulting gas is
NASTY..



And how do you know that Brenda? Why do I think kids or pets? : )


Cats, specifically tomcats...






Scott W. Harvey October 5th 06 07:10 AM

SP-600 from hell:need knobs, handles
 
Steve wrote:
I'm sure you're right, but the JX-26 I restored last year has handles,
and they appear to be original. The one I just got has holes in
exactly the same place, and sure look like they were there
originally. Is there a chance that some versions had them but
most didn't?


I have a JX-26 (R-274C) with handles. It is the only one of the 5 or 6
of these that I have with handles. I don't think they were add-ons, they
appear to have always been there.

-Scott

William Sommerwerck October 5th 06 12:44 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 
Don't spray chlorine bleach on fresh urine.. the resulting gas is NASTY...

Chlorine + ammonia = ammonium chloride (possibly other nasty stuff). Bleach
bottles usually have a warning about mixing bleach with other cleaning
agents, in particular those containing ammonia.



John Goller, k9uwa October 5th 06 02:56 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 
In article 14YUg.181401$FQ1.150430@attbi_s71,
TUFF says...



Click here.... this stuff works to kill mouse odors
http://www.xocorp.com/


There is a product called X-O .... like for X it Out if you will..
janitor supply places have it... this stuff you just spritz it onto
chassis and wood and anyplace else that has mouse pee on it and the stuff
neutralizes the smell completely...

John k9uwa




Spamfree October 5th 06 03:30 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 
Maybe it was covered and I missed it - any ideas for "roach" droppings,
etc.? I've used "commercial" "relay" cleaners with "some" success, but there
is still that DISGUSTING residue. Fortunately, I've not had a lot of radios
like that, but even two or three is too many.

"John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message
news:fa8Vg.182943$FQ1.77605@attbi_s71...
In article 14YUg.181401$FQ1.150430@attbi_s71,
TUFF says...



Click here.... this stuff works to kill mouse odors
http://www.xocorp.com/


There is a product called X-O .... like for X it Out if you will..
janitor supply places have it... this stuff you just spritz it onto
chassis and wood and anyplace else that has mouse pee on it and the stuff
neutralizes the smell completely...

John k9uwa






Jeffrey D Angus October 5th 06 04:29 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 


SpamFree wrote:
Maybe it was covered and I missed it - any ideas for "roach" droppings,
etc.? I've used "commercial" "relay" cleaners with "some" success, but there
is still that DISGUSTING residue. Fortunately, I've not had a lot of radios
like that, but even two or three is too many.


Must be popular out here. Gateway Computers service center in
Manhattan Beach, CA had an ENORMOUS sign on the wall near the
service counter. "If your computer has roaches inside, you WILL
be billed the FULL amount to de-infest this building."

Jeff


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RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.

Spamfree October 5th 06 05:43 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 
Well, as some comedian often says - "There's your sign!" I guess it is
fitting....... I think I've only dealt with one mouse/rat issue. Actually,
if I had my choice, I'd take the mouse/rat.

Like I said, I've used commercial relay cleaners with some success but it
doesn't clean it all out. Thought maybe someone had other ideas!


"Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message
...


SpamFree wrote:
Maybe it was covered and I missed it - any ideas for "roach" droppings,
etc.? I've used "commercial" "relay" cleaners with "some" success, but
there is still that DISGUSTING residue. Fortunately, I've not had a lot
of radios like that, but even two or three is too many.


Must be popular out here. Gateway Computers service center in
Manhattan Beach, CA had an ENORMOUS sign on the wall near the
service counter. "If your computer has roaches inside, you WILL
be billed the FULL amount to de-infest this building."

Jeff


--
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.




toxcrusadr October 5th 06 06:46 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 

William Sommerwerck wrote:
Don't spray chlorine bleach on fresh urine.. the resulting gas is NASTY...


Chlorine + ammonia = ammonium chloride (possibly other nasty stuff). Bleach
bottles usually have a warning about mixing bleach with other cleaning
agents, in particular those containing ammonia.


Close but not quite. Ammonium chloride is a fairly harmless and
non-volatile salt. I suppose that could be an ultimate product, but
not the major problem.

Bleach + ammonia -- CHLORINE GAS which will indeed ruin your day.
This could be the same reaction a previous poster mentioned about
putting bleach on pee - if the pee has broken down to ammonia OR there
are nitrogen compounds in the pee that react similarly, you could get
chlorine gas from that too.

Had a Zenith console that was moused, I used some kind of cheap dollar
store lavender flavored cleaner spray on it just to get the dirt off
before going after the smell. Now whenever I use that stuff, I have a
nausea reminiscent of the mouse pee. Turns out much of what I was
smelling was the cheap perfume in the cleaning product, blended with
pee. That product is now forever associated with mouse pee in my
olfactory memory.

Another funny story: I do some volunteer work in a barely-occupied
warehouse, and the bathrooms hadn't been used forever. One night I
poured sudsy ammonia in the urinals to let them soak. Next day
another volunteer decides to go in there with a bottle of bleach! :-o
He was not a happy man when the green chlorine fumes started wafting
up.

Tox


Hagstar October 5th 06 08:57 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
. ..
Don't spray chlorine bleach on fresh urine.. the resulting gas is
NASTY...


Chlorine + ammonia = ammonium chloride (possibly other nasty stuff).


POSSIBLY ?!?!?!?!?!?!

You forgot deadly chartreuse CHLORINE GAS !

John H.



William Sommerwerck October 5th 06 11:42 PM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 
Chlorine + ammonia = ammonium chloride (possibly other nasty stuff).

POSSIBLY ?!?!?!?!?!?!
You forgot deadly chartreuse CHLORINE GAS !


I knew there was something else nasty in there (really!), but I just
couldn't remember. Thanks for the correction.



John Goller, k9uwa October 6th 06 04:02 AM

Got a RAT Infested Radio ??
 
In article ,
says...




Standard Practice at CATV companies .. a cable TV converter that comes
back to the cable company... it goes into a sealed cabinet and gets
"Gassed" to kill the cockroaches and any other crawlies that live
in those things...
John k9uwa


"If your computer has roaches inside, you WILL
be billed the FULL amount to de-infest this building."

Jeff





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