Uncle Peter wrote:

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I propose America better wake up before it is too late.

REDACTED: Waking up is NOT a proposal!! State a credible plan that people can
participate in that will provide credible cash flow in retirement.

You have added another variable into the discussion by opening the healthcare
issue. Where does the money come from? Don't give the old canard of 'tax the
rich'. According to Hillary any family earning more than $30,000 has to be
defined as rich to support her health care proposals [healthcare in the USA
costs about 10,000 per family per year. According to the USA Census Bureau we
have 300,000,+ people at 4.3 people per family or approximately 70,000,000
families. Do the math! [$700 Billion per year!] [note for the non USA reader:
$30,000 USD is top of the poor class or bottom of the middle class by
contemporary definitions]

Again: Where do you propose the money comes from?

Stating a problem without proposing several possible credible solutions is
unacceptable to everyone. Why? We cannot continue to discuss or debate the pros
and cons of nothing!

Apparently you have issues with the Equity solution. Fine! I have a problem with
NO proposed solution.

Finally, like you, my retirement is also secure, an insured fully funded annuity.

My retirement is
secure and isn't tied to Social Security, in fact, Ive paid into it. But, I
fear for others
who face a less certain financial future and the lack of even basic
affordable healthcare.

Pete

"Dave" wrote in message
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Uncle Peter wrote:

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I propose America better wake up before it is too late.

You have added another variable into the discussion by opening the
healthcare
issue. Where does the money come from? Don't give the old canard of 'tax
the rich'. According to Hillary any family earning more than $30,000 has
to be defined as rich to support her health care proposals [healthcare in
the USA costs about 10,000 per family per year. According to the USA
Census Bureau we have 300,000,+ people at 4.3 people per family or
approximately 70,000,000 families. Do the math! [$700 Billion per year!]
[note for the non USA reader: $30,000 USD is top of the poor class or
bottom of the middle class by contemporary definitions]

Again: Where do you propose the money comes from?

Gee Dave, did you ever think that if we had DECENT paying jobs in this
country that folks could actually afford health insurance; or companies
could continue to afford offering good health plans? I'll state it again.
Keep American dollars in the US; and do so by balancing the trade
deficit for starters.
Instead of allowing high paying jobs to bleed off to third world countries
(with scant child labor protection laws or environmental laws on the books)
maybe we need some stronger trade protection in place to protect
average Americans' interests instead of corporate greed. Don't you find a
bit
disconcerting that we have gone from being the bread basket of the world
to importing contaminated goods from China? What do you think your
retirement is going to be worth in ten years if the current trade deficit
continues?

What do you propose to do about health care? Taxation obviously isn't the
answer to any problem. I say the answer is keeping jobs in America and
paying a decent wage for American workers will in turn make group health
care affordable. My healthcare is almost 100% covered, my penion is
Federally managed, and my company is earning record products and our
stock price is going through the ceiling. We're also a 100% American
operation.

Stating a problem without proposing several possible credible solutions is
unacceptable to everyone. Why? We cannot continue to discuss or debate the
pros and cons of nothing!

Apparently you have issues with the Equity solution. Fine! I have a
problem with NO proposed solution.

Finally, like you, my retirement is also secure, an insured fully funded
annuity.

"Dave" wrote in message

And let me know how you like that Tennedyne HF log.
I'm using the KMA 8-element. How's the F/B on yours?

Pete

Uncle Peter wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message

And let me know how you like that Tennedyne HF log.
I'm using the KMA 8-element. How's the F/B on yours?

Pete



F/B is fair on 20 meters. It gets about 15 dB. [~3-5 % of energy in rear lobe]

It is Good to VG on 17 through 10 respectively. It looks like 20 to 25 dB on 10
meters.

That being said, all measurements are called into question because the S meter
is not accurately calibrated, because I'm not at a controlled antenna range,
because the signal source being compared is a variable based on propagation, etc.

Finally, after a significant 'wet' snow fall or ice storm the longer elements
looks like a 7 weight fly rod with a 7 pound trout attached. It is VERY
flexible!! [It quickly de-ices with a little sun though :-) ]

It has survived 70 to 80 mph wind and heavy ice loads. I would buy another one!

Dave wrote:
REDACTED: Waking up is NOT a proposal!! State a credible plan that people can
participate in that will provide credible cash flow in retirement.

I don't have one.
But I do have relatives who lived in countries where they were very rich,
and then the currency became worthless.

Having a guaranteed $5k a month income from a retirement program doesn't do
you much good when it costs $5k for a loaf of bread.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Dave wrote:
REDACTED: Waking up is NOT a proposal!! State a credible plan that people can
participate in that will provide credible cash flow in retirement.

I don't have one.
But I do have relatives who lived in countries where they were very rich,
and then the currency became worthless.

Having a guaranteed $5k a month income from a retirement program doesn't do
you much good when it costs $5k for a loaf of bread.
--scott

I think we could go a long ways towards fixing the problem by
doing the following:

1) Close the boarders to illegal immigration.
2) Make it illegal to hire illegal immigrants.
3) Tax American businesses that manufacture abroad as if they
were foreign businesses.
4) Tax software that is done in other countries as if it were
an import of a hard good.
5) Eliminate the H1B Visa program. We have plenty of out-of-work
hitech workers here already that just want to be paid fairly.

-Chuck

"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
I think we could go a long ways towards fixing the problem by
doing the following:

1) Close the boarders to illegal immigration.
2) Make it illegal to hire illegal immigrants.
3) Tax American businesses that manufacture abroad as if they
were foreign businesses.
4) Tax software that is done in other countries as if it were
an import of a hard good.
5) Eliminate the H1B Visa program. We have plenty of out-of-work
hitech workers here already that just want to be paid fairly.

-Chuck

And we should charge tariffs accordly based on how those countries
treat our exported products.

Pete

On May 16, 7:53 pm, Chuck Harris wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Dave wrote:
REDACTED: Waking up is NOT a proposal!! State a credible plan that people can
participate in that will provide credible cash flow in retirement.

I don't have one.
But I do have relatives who lived in countries where they were very rich,
and then the currency became worthless.

Having a guaranteed $5k a month income from a retirement program doesn't do
you much good when it costs $5k for a loaf of bread.
--scott

I think we could go a long ways towards fixing the problem by
doing the following:

1) Close the boarders to illegal immigration.
2) Make it illegal to hire illegal immigrants.
3) Tax American businesses that manufacture abroad as if they
were foreign businesses.
4) Tax software that is done in other countries as if it were
an import of a hard good.
5) Eliminate the H1B Visa program. We have plenty of out-of-work
hitech workers here already that just want to be paid fairly.


Yes, it would, which is why it won't happen.