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Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
Up to his old games - here's the most recent 'won' auction:
http://tinyurl.com/2w2ns6 The 'lucky' bidder wanked it up to $2000. Of course, we all know that Radio Mart uses alternate IDs to shill bid his own stuff into the stratosphere, and occasionally ends up the high bidder himself. Whereupon he has to reslist cuz the 'buyer' failed to pay (he sure gets a LOT of 'non paying bidders' doesn't he!!) Sure enough in this case, cuz he's just relisted it: http://tinyurl.com/32d4lz Of course, he always says 'non paying bidder' - naturally. But hey Martyn - we all know you like to occasionally win the shill auctions yourself! Have fun paying those Final Sale fees to Ebay on your shills - or do you report yourself as the non-paying bidder perhaps? Did you know that shill bidding, even on Ebay, is illegal in all 50 states? Just curious... |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
K wrote:
Here is proof positive this guy is a crook. If you click on the first link, and scroll down the pictures, check out the serial number. Then click on the second link, and again scroll down to the serial number, they are the same. He bid on his own stuff, and won it, so had to relist it again! Geeze, what a guy. I wouldn't buy gold bricks cheap from him! K Of course it has the same serial#'s. It's the same receiver...says so in the description. That's the point. He bid on it himself, and nobody outbid him, so he's stuck with it and had to relist. However, this part of the description is probably a tipoff that all's not well: "In addition to the above Rick has just fitted a new Motorola IF Strip which is a further improvement over the original, the receiver has all of the covers, unmarked, a complete set of new hand picked tubes and new black IERC tube shields, No EXPENSE SPARED!! This is the RARE, ORIGINAL COLLINS version of this classic receiver." How do those two paragraphs, cut & pasted from the description, parse? Then there's this line: "One marked inprovement he made was to replace the 8Kc filter for a much nicer Curry 6kc filter." Okay, it's probably a nice receiver, but "original"? Hardly...even by his own schizoid admission. jak |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
"Tommy D" wrote in message
... On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:58:39 -0800, "K" wrote: Here is proof positive this guy is a crook. If you click on the first link, and scroll down the pictures, check out the serial number. Then click on the second link, and again scroll down to the serial number, they are the same. He bid on his own stuff, and won it, so had to relist it again! Geeze, what a guy. I wouldn't buy gold bricks cheap from him! K "None" wrote in message ... Up to his old games - here's the most recent 'won' auction: http://tinyurl.com/2w2ns6 The 'lucky' bidder wanked it up to $2000. Of course, we all know that Radio Mart uses alternate IDs to shill bid his own stuff into the stratosphere, and occasionally ends up the high bidder himself. Whereupon he has to reslist cuz the 'buyer' failed to pay (he sure gets a LOT of 'non paying bidders' doesn't he!!) Sure enough in this case, cuz he's just relisted it: http://tinyurl.com/32d4lz Of course, he always says 'non paying bidder' - naturally. But hey Martyn - we all know you like to occasionally win the shill auctions yourself! Have fun paying those Final Sale fees to Ebay on your shills - or do you report yourself as the non-paying bidder perhaps? Did you know that shill bidding, even on Ebay, is illegal in all 50 states? Just curious... Has anyone ever attempted to report this crook to eBay? No, they will NOT favor him because of his feedback, etc. He's small fish in a big ocean compared to many serious (and honest) sellers on eBay. If enough people report him, sooner or later, he will get booted. Please, people, report this guy to eBay! And keep reporting him until he's off. Tom Yeah really.... sheesh. Its getting boring reading about him all the time. Surely - if he's ripped that many people off - he'd be booted, in jail or someone would choose to use some street justice. |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
Has anyone contacted Rick Mish to get the real story?
According to the description in the orginal auction where the crook Martyn bought it under the "gottahaveit" ID, the seller only said Rick "checked it out, or went over it" That's a bit different than a refurburshing I've seen Rick do. In fact the closeups of the receiver show that Rick probably didn't do his normal excellent job and all he did was check it out. It's the outrageous BS that Martyn the crook attaches to his auctions that is amazing...and suckers fall for it all the time. The guy is an out right liar and a fraud. His description of this receiver is so wrong in a number of areas! Ebay doesn't care since they still collect fees from him AND Ebay is passive participant in his fraud since it has been documented and reported numerous times. "Tommy D" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:58:39 -0800, "K" wrote: Here is proof positive this guy is a crook. If you click on the first link, and scroll down the pictures, check out the serial number. Then click on the second link, and again scroll down to the serial number, they are the same. He bid on his own stuff, and won it, so had to relist it again! Geeze, what a guy. I wouldn't buy gold bricks cheap from him! K "None" wrote in message ... Up to his old games - here's the most recent 'won' auction: http://tinyurl.com/2w2ns6 The 'lucky' bidder wanked it up to $2000. Of course, we all know that Radio Mart uses alternate IDs to shill bid his own stuff into the stratosphere, and occasionally ends up the high bidder himself. Whereupon he has to reslist cuz the 'buyer' failed to pay (he sure gets a LOT of 'non paying bidders' doesn't he!!) Sure enough in this case, cuz he's just relisted it: http://tinyurl.com/32d4lz Of course, he always says 'non paying bidder' - naturally. But hey Martyn - we all know you like to occasionally win the shill auctions yourself! Have fun paying those Final Sale fees to Ebay on your shills - or do you report yourself as the non-paying bidder perhaps? Did you know that shill bidding, even on Ebay, is illegal in all 50 states? Just curious... Has anyone ever attempted to report this crook to eBay? No, they will NOT favor him because of his feedback, etc. He's small fish in a big ocean compared to many serious (and honest) sellers on eBay. If enough people report him, sooner or later, he will get booted. Please, people, report this guy to eBay! And keep reporting him until he's off. Tom |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
Chuck - K1KW wrote:
Has anyone contacted Rick Mish to get the real story? According to the description in the orginal auction where the crook Martyn bought it under the "gottahaveit" ID, the seller only said Rick "checked it out, or went over it" That's a bit different than a refurburshing I've seen Rick do. In fact the closeups of the receiver show that Rick probably didn't do his normal excellent job and all he did was check it out. It's the outrageous BS that Martyn the crook attaches to his auctions that is amazing...and suckers fall for it all the time. The guy is an out right liar and a fraud. His description of this receiver is so wrong in a number of areas! Ebay doesn't care since they still collect fees from him AND Ebay is passive participant in his fraud since it has been documented and reported numerous times. Your original point is well made. Rick Mish should be contacted to verify if Martyn's claims are true. If Martyn is trading off Rick's reputation and the work is NOT as described, Mish can legally have Martyn's ass for fraud, misrepresentation of Mish's work, harm to his reputation, and profiteering on Rick's name without permission. Then have Rick contact eBay about trading on his reputation without permission. THAT will get the job done. "Tommy D" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:58:39 -0800, "K" wrote: Here is proof positive this guy is a crook. If you click on the first link, and scroll down the pictures, check out the serial number. Then click on the second link, and again scroll down to the serial number, they are the same. He bid on his own stuff, and won it, so had to relist it again! Geeze, what a guy. I wouldn't buy gold bricks cheap from him! K "None" wrote in message ... Up to his old games - here's the most recent 'won' auction: http://tinyurl.com/2w2ns6 The 'lucky' bidder wanked it up to $2000. Of course, we all know that Radio Mart uses alternate IDs to shill bid his own stuff into the stratosphere, and occasionally ends up the high bidder himself. Whereupon he has to reslist cuz the 'buyer' failed to pay (he sure gets a LOT of 'non paying bidders' doesn't he!!) Sure enough in this case, cuz he's just relisted it: http://tinyurl.com/32d4lz Of course, he always says 'non paying bidder' - naturally. But hey Martyn - we all know you like to occasionally win the shill auctions yourself! Have fun paying those Final Sale fees to Ebay on your shills - or do you report yourself as the non-paying bidder perhaps? Did you know that shill bidding, even on Ebay, is illegal in all 50 states? Just curious... Has anyone ever attempted to report this crook to eBay? No, they will NOT favor him because of his feedback, etc. He's small fish in a big ocean compared to many serious (and honest) sellers on eBay. If enough people report him, sooner or later, he will get booted. Please, people, report this guy to eBay! And keep reporting him until he's off. Tom |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
I don't know RadioMart and I have no idea if he is is a crook or not,
but either way, I don't think that "reporting" him will make any difference. In my opinion, eBay couldn't care less. Not long ago I bid on an assortment of "vintage" crystals. I paid instantly via Paypal, and the crystals showed up pretty quickly. The problem was that more than 20% either showed obvious signs of water damage (long-term immersion and rust) or the housings were just plain *empty* (yeah- some clown had removed the quartz!) I attempted to contact the seller...not that I expected anything... but just to let him know that this wasn't quite right. He refused to answer my email so I left negative feedback---nothing personal or nasty, mind you. I simply stated the facts. Guess what? He slams *me* with negative feedback. Why? No reason. On what grounds? No grounds. He was simply miffed and that's it. By the way- he never did respond to my email. I contacted eBay and told them I take the feedback system seriously, that my feedback was 100% prior to this event, and that if I was to receive negative feedback, I would think the seller would be obligated to show where I had failed to meet my obligations. I challenged them to cite justification. eBay basically told me that the feedback system is based on "opinion" and that they will not "censor" that guy's "opinion." So, in other words, we don't care-- get lost. I would argue that if anyone is being "censored," it is people who have been cheated. The next time I'm shafted by a seller, I will have to weigh the cost of my transaction versus the cost of unfair and unwarranted retaliation should I leave negative feedback. Ten or 20 bucks worth of useless junk wasn't worth having my perfect recorded stained. I've had a lot of fun on eBay over the years, but frankly, this has disgusted me to the point that my future participation on that site is doubtful. Pete Tommy D wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:58:39 -0800, "K" wrote: Here is proof positive this guy is a crook. If you click on the first link, and scroll down the pictures, check out the serial number. Then click on the second link, and again scroll down to the serial number, they are the same. He bid on his own stuff, and won it, so had to relist it again! Geeze, what a guy. I wouldn't buy gold bricks cheap from him! K "None" wrote in message ... Up to his old games - here's the most recent 'won' auction: http://tinyurl.com/2w2ns6 The 'lucky' bidder wanked it up to $2000. Of course, we all know that Radio Mart uses alternate IDs to shill bid his own stuff into the stratosphere, and occasionally ends up the high bidder himself. Whereupon he has to reslist cuz the 'buyer' failed to pay (he sure gets a LOT of 'non paying bidders' doesn't he!!) Sure enough in this case, cuz he's just relisted it: http://tinyurl.com/32d4lz Of course, he always says 'non paying bidder' - naturally. But hey Martyn - we all know you like to occasionally win the shill auctions yourself! Have fun paying those Final Sale fees to Ebay on your shills - or do you report yourself as the non-paying bidder perhaps? Did you know that shill bidding, even on Ebay, is illegal in all 50 states? Just curious... Has anyone ever attempted to report this crook to eBay? No, they will NOT favor him because of his feedback, etc. He's small fish in a big ocean compared to many serious (and honest) sellers on eBay. If enough people report him, sooner or later, he will get booted. Please, people, report this guy to eBay! And keep reporting him until he's off. Tom |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
Unfortunately this is true of Ebay. Sellers can screw buyers all the time
with little action from Ebay. I leave these bum sellers negatives all the time. Of course they always leave me a negative, but I fail to see the negative when they were quickly paid. Ebay is just bunch of computer software, and no one there wants to take personal intervention of any kind. I even had this guy leave a negative by mistake. He and I both notified Ebay. They would not change it. The feedback system is just another example of less than scrupulous behavior. They allow those stinking private auctions too. Where is the transparency in that ? Now they have started hiding all bidders identities. I have not been to many live auctions where I did not know who was bidding against me. PayPal protection is a joke. I have never had it re-imburse me over any crooked deal. Ebay and the information world is not what it was 10 years ago. Happy New Year Dave "H. P. Friedrichs" wrote in message news:dqSdnUiMVucW6O3anZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@velocitywest .net... I don't know RadioMart and I have no idea if he is is a crook or not, but either way, I don't think that "reporting" him will make any difference. In my opinion, eBay couldn't care less. Not long ago I bid on an assortment of "vintage" crystals. I paid instantly via Paypal, and the crystals showed up pretty quickly. The problem was that more than 20% either showed obvious signs of water damage (long-term immersion and rust) or the housings were just plain *empty* (yeah- some clown had removed the quartz!) I attempted to contact the seller...not that I expected anything... but just to let him know that this wasn't quite right. He refused to answer my email so I left negative feedback---nothing personal or nasty, mind you. I simply stated the facts. Guess what? He slams *me* with negative feedback. Why? No reason. On what grounds? No grounds. He was simply miffed and that's it. By the way- he never did respond to my email. I contacted eBay and told them I take the feedback system seriously, that my feedback was 100% prior to this event, and that if I was to receive negative feedback, I would think the seller would be obligated to show where I had failed to meet my obligations. I challenged them to cite justification. eBay basically told me that the feedback system is based on "opinion" and that they will not "censor" that guy's "opinion." So, in other words, we don't care-- get lost. I would argue that if anyone is being "censored," it is people who have been cheated. The next time I'm shafted by a seller, I will have to weigh the cost of my transaction versus the cost of unfair and unwarranted retaliation should I leave negative feedback. Ten or 20 bucks worth of useless junk wasn't worth having my perfect recorded stained. I've had a lot of fun on eBay over the years, but frankly, this has disgusted me to the point that my future participation on that site is doubtful. Pete Tommy D wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:58:39 -0800, "K" wrote: Here is proof positive this guy is a crook. If you click on the first link, and scroll down the pictures, check out the serial number. Then click on the second link, and again scroll down to the serial number, they are the same. He bid on his own stuff, and won it, so had to relist it again! Geeze, what a guy. I wouldn't buy gold bricks cheap from him! K "None" wrote in message ... Up to his old games - here's the most recent 'won' auction: http://tinyurl.com/2w2ns6 The 'lucky' bidder wanked it up to $2000. Of course, we all know that Radio Mart uses alternate IDs to shill bid his own stuff into the stratosphere, and occasionally ends up the high bidder himself. Whereupon he has to reslist cuz the 'buyer' failed to pay (he sure gets a LOT of 'non paying bidders' doesn't he!!) Sure enough in this case, cuz he's just relisted it: http://tinyurl.com/32d4lz Of course, he always says 'non paying bidder' - naturally. But hey Martyn - we all know you like to occasionally win the shill auctions yourself! Have fun paying those Final Sale fees to Ebay on your shills - or do you report yourself as the non-paying bidder perhaps? Did you know that shill bidding, even on Ebay, is illegal in all 50 states? Just curious... Has anyone ever attempted to report this crook to eBay? No, they will NOT favor him because of his feedback, etc. He's small fish in a big ocean compared to many serious (and honest) sellers on eBay. If enough people report him, sooner or later, he will get booted. Please, people, report this guy to eBay! And keep reporting him until he's off. Tom |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
On Dec 24, 1:47 pm, "None" wrote:
Sure enough in this case, cuz he's just relisted it: http://tinyurl.com/32d4lz Interesting how his mind works. He knows how much a real bidder was willing to pay so he set the Buy-It-Now at exactly that amount. He won't even give the guy a 10% discount for getting jacked around. It's also funny how he pretends to be Rick Mish's acquaintance and tries to "pump" up Rick, calling him "the Man" and mentioning his family. |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
so I left negative feedback---nothing personal or nasty, mind you. I simply stated the facts. Guess what? He slams *me* with negative feedback. Why? No reason. Think about this - Why did you, as a buyer, leave feedback at all? You SHOULD have been given positive feedback as soon as you paid for the item. When you didn't get your deserved positive feedback, you left yourself open for receiving retalitory feedback when you gave him what he deserved. The feedback system is a farce. Yes, I agree, as a participant on ebay you want a close to 100% positive feedback rating. Once you get 10-20 positive feedbacks at 100% stop leaving positive feedbacks for the scumbag sellers who wait "till we are sure your shipment arrived in good condition and you have left us positive feedback then we will return the favor." Is a 150 rating really any better than a 20 rating? Another thing we buyers should do is have buying and a selling accounts. Several of them. When we get screwed and want to leave negative feedback (other than the warm feeling it gives us, what is the reason?) we know we will get retaliated against, so we just take it and then disable that low rated account ! Your selling account will carry a relatively high rating if you are honest and that is the only one that matters. Ok? Problem solved. If you ever buy from Radio Mart do it with a brand new zero-rated account and don't worry about it. When he gives you a negative back, just throw that account away and open a new one for buying. We are all as smart as he is, we just have to use our brains. Rick K2XT |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
On 27 Dic, 23:29, "Rick" wrote:
*so I left negative feedback---nothing personal or nasty, mind you. I simply stated the facts. Guess what? He slams *me* with negative feedback. Why? No reason. Think about this - Why did you, as a buyer, leave feedback at all? You SHOULD have been given positive feedback as soon as you paid for the item. When you didn't get your deserved positive feedback, you left yourself open for receiving retalitory feedback when you gave him what he deserved. The feedback system is a farce. *Yes, I agree, as a participant on ebay you want a close to 100% positive feedback rating. *Once you get 10-20 positive feedbacks at 100% stop leaving positive feedbacks for the scumbag sellers who wait "till we are sure your shipment arrived in good condition and you have left us positive feedback then we will return the favor." Is a 150 rating really any better than a 20 rating? Another thing we buyers should do is have buying and a selling accounts. Several of them. When we get screwed and want to leave negative feedback (other than the warm feeling it gives us, what is the reason?) we know we will get retaliated against, so we just take it and then disable that low rated account ! *Your selling account will carry a relatively high rating if you are honest and that is the only one that matters. Ok? *Problem solved. *If you ever buy from Radio Mart do it with a brand new zero-rated account and don't worry about it. *When he gives you a negative back, just throw that account away and open a new one for buying. *We *are all as smart as he is, we just have to use our brains. Rick *K2XT Not so simple! After reading your posts I'm just wondering whether using a zero-rated account would always be the right strategy for buying, regardless of the reliability and reputation of sellers. Otherwise, when to use a zero-rated account for buying? How might a buyer identify the fraudulent seller beyond the few known cases? I have my own black-list which includes three sellers and now I'm going to add radio-mart, but the ebay world is much more wide. What to do in the cases when zero-rated bidders are invited not to bid? I've heard that ebay checks names and addresses in front of new subscriptions, and if they match no longer active accounts, new subscriptions are blocked. Is it true? Is there any limit to the number of accounts for any given name and address? What about paypal accounts? How many times should I transmit to ebay my credit card info, and how many times would I prefer it is present in the ebay dadabase? (As a honest seller, I would prefer not to have bids from zero-rated accounts, as they could appear as shill bids. Further, for the honest seller the zero-rated bidder is always a risk. Hence, on the other side of the wall, so far I thought it would be better for me presenting myself as a non zero-rated bidder, but maybe this makes no sense, ebay is now sick.) Antonio I8IOV |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
Why would you set up zero-rated accounts, just to buy crap from a crook ?
W1CNY "Antonio Iovane" wrote in message ... On 27 Dic, 23:29, "Rick" wrote: so I left negative feedback---nothing personal or nasty, mind you. I simply stated the facts. Guess what? He slams *me* with negative feedback. Why? No reason. Think about this - Why did you, as a buyer, leave feedback at all? You SHOULD have been given positive feedback as soon as you paid for the item. When you didn't get your deserved positive feedback, you left yourself open for receiving retalitory feedback when you gave him what he deserved. The feedback system is a farce. Yes, I agree, as a participant on ebay you want a close to 100% positive feedback rating. Once you get 10-20 positive feedbacks at 100% stop leaving positive feedbacks for the scumbag sellers who wait "till we are sure your shipment arrived in good condition and you have left us positive feedback then we will return the favor." Is a 150 rating really any better than a 20 rating? Another thing we buyers should do is have buying and a selling accounts. Several of them. When we get screwed and want to leave negative feedback (other than the warm feeling it gives us, what is the reason?) we know we will get retaliated against, so we just take it and then disable that low rated account ! Your selling account will carry a relatively high rating if you are honest and that is the only one that matters. Ok? Problem solved. If you ever buy from Radio Mart do it with a brand new zero-rated account and don't worry about it. When he gives you a negative back, just throw that account away and open a new one for buying. We are all as smart as he is, we just have to use our brains. Rick K2XT Not so simple! After reading your posts I'm just wondering whether using a zero-rated account would always be the right strategy for buying, regardless of the reliability and reputation of sellers. Otherwise, when to use a zero-rated account for buying? How might a buyer identify the fraudulent seller beyond the few known cases? I have my own black-list which includes three sellers and now I'm going to add radio-mart, but the ebay world is much more wide. What to do in the cases when zero-rated bidders are invited not to bid? I've heard that ebay checks names and addresses in front of new subscriptions, and if they match no longer active accounts, new subscriptions are blocked. Is it true? Is there any limit to the number of accounts for any given name and address? What about paypal accounts? How many times should I transmit to ebay my credit card info, and how many times would I prefer it is present in the ebay dadabase? (As a honest seller, I would prefer not to have bids from zero-rated accounts, as they could appear as shill bids. Further, for the honest seller the zero-rated bidder is always a risk. Hence, on the other side of the wall, so far I thought it would be better for me presenting myself as a non zero-rated bidder, but maybe this makes no sense, ebay is now sick.) Antonio I8IOV |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
What's the problem with a zero rated bidder? When the auction is over either
he pays or he doesn't. I don't give a tinkers damn who buys what I'm selling as long as they pay. If I'm not happy with the price I should have set a higher reserve. My fault. -- Clif "Antonio Iovane" wrote in message ... On 27 Dic, 23:29, "Rick" wrote: so I left negative feedback---nothing personal or nasty, mind you. I simply stated the facts. Guess what? He slams *me* with negative feedback. Why? No reason. Think about this - Why did you, as a buyer, leave feedback at all? You SHOULD have been given positive feedback as soon as you paid for the item. When you didn't get your deserved positive feedback, you left yourself open for receiving retalitory feedback when you gave him what he deserved. The feedback system is a farce. Yes, I agree, as a participant on ebay you want a close to 100% positive feedback rating. Once you get 10-20 positive feedbacks at 100% stop leaving positive feedbacks for the scumbag sellers who wait "till we are sure your shipment arrived in good condition and you have left us positive feedback then we will return the favor." Is a 150 rating really any better than a 20 rating? Another thing we buyers should do is have buying and a selling accounts. Several of them. When we get screwed and want to leave negative feedback (other than the warm feeling it gives us, what is the reason?) we know we will get retaliated against, so we just take it and then disable that low rated account ! Your selling account will carry a relatively high rating if you are honest and that is the only one that matters. Ok? Problem solved. If you ever buy from Radio Mart do it with a brand new zero-rated account and don't worry about it. When he gives you a negative back, just throw that account away and open a new one for buying. We are all as smart as he is, we just have to use our brains. Rick K2XT Not so simple! After reading your posts I'm just wondering whether using a zero-rated account would always be the right strategy for buying, regardless of the reliability and reputation of sellers. Otherwise, when to use a zero-rated account for buying? How might a buyer identify the fraudulent seller beyond the few known cases? I have my own black-list which includes three sellers and now I'm going to add radio-mart, but the ebay world is much more wide. What to do in the cases when zero-rated bidders are invited not to bid? I've heard that ebay checks names and addresses in front of new subscriptions, and if they match no longer active accounts, new subscriptions are blocked. Is it true? Is there any limit to the number of accounts for any given name and address? What about paypal accounts? How many times should I transmit to ebay my credit card info, and how many times would I prefer it is present in the ebay dadabase? (As a honest seller, I would prefer not to have bids from zero-rated accounts, as they could appear as shill bids. Further, for the honest seller the zero-rated bidder is always a risk. Hence, on the other side of the wall, so far I thought it would be better for me presenting myself as a non zero-rated bidder, but maybe this makes no sense, ebay is now sick.) Antonio I8IOV |
Radio Mart again outbids himself and has to relist
I decided to contact Rick Mish and he confirmed what we all expected.
The crook Martyn, AKA Radiomart, is lying about this latest offering. Rick did NOT do the remanufacturing as stated by the liar Radiomart! In fact, Rick told me that he has had two other cases of lying by this useless piece of **** "Radiomart" that resulted in legal action against him. Rick is very disappointed that this jerk is using his reputation in Radiomart auctions. I notified Ebay about the fraudulent descriptions and have yet to hear back. Ebay usually doesn't care. Amazing....and yet the stupid flock to his auctions... "Chuck - K1KW" wrote in message . .. Has anyone contacted Rick Mish to get the real story? According to the description in the orginal auction where the crook Martyn bought it under the "gottahaveit" ID, the seller only said Rick "checked it out, or went over it" That's a bit different than a refurburshing I've seen Rick do. In fact the closeups of the receiver show that Rick probably didn't do his normal excellent job and all he did was check it out. It's the outrageous BS that Martyn the crook attaches to his auctions that is amazing...and suckers fall for it all the time. The guy is an out right liar and a fraud. His description of this receiver is so wrong in a number of areas! Ebay doesn't care since they still collect fees from him AND Ebay is passive participant in his fraud since it has been documented and reported numerous times. "Tommy D" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:58:39 -0800, "K" wrote: Here is proof positive this guy is a crook. If you click on the first link, and scroll down the pictures, check out the serial number. Then click on the second link, and again scroll down to the serial number, they are the same. He bid on his own stuff, and won it, so had to relist it again! Geeze, what a guy. I wouldn't buy gold bricks cheap from him! K "None" wrote in message ... Up to his old games - here's the most recent 'won' auction: http://tinyurl.com/2w2ns6 The 'lucky' bidder wanked it up to $2000. Of course, we all know that Radio Mart uses alternate IDs to shill bid his own stuff into the stratosphere, and occasionally ends up the high bidder himself. Whereupon he has to reslist cuz the 'buyer' failed to pay (he sure gets a LOT of 'non paying bidders' doesn't he!!) Sure enough in this case, cuz he's just relisted it: http://tinyurl.com/32d4lz Of course, he always says 'non paying bidder' - naturally. But hey Martyn - we all know you like to occasionally win the shill auctions yourself! Have fun paying those Final Sale fees to Ebay on your shills - or do you report yourself as the non-paying bidder perhaps? Did you know that shill bidding, even on Ebay, is illegal in all 50 states? Just curious... Has anyone ever attempted to report this crook to eBay? No, they will NOT favor him because of his feedback, etc. He's small fish in a big ocean compared to many serious (and honest) sellers on eBay. If enough people report him, sooner or later, he will get booted. Please, people, report this guy to eBay! And keep reporting him until he's off. Tom |
Radio Mart entertainment
I notified Ebay about the fraudulent descriptions and have yet to hear back. Ebay usually doesn't care. Amazing....and yet the stupid flock to his auctions... What would happen if a new ebay'er who just signed up, and didnt have time yet to establish his paypal account, etc. was to bid on fraudulent auctions with 3 minutes to go? And he bid $2000 on each of them? He would "win" all the auctions. Then he would disappear.......... What if 5 of his friends who post on usenet, did the same thing next Sunday night? An administrative headache for the fraudulent seller, huh? Energy better spent than just posting stuff, maybe? i.e. if there's a crook out there in the world, and he does business with ebay who may just possibly not have a single person working in the customer service department, and doesn't own a telephone, maybe there ought to be a counter-revolution? Might be very entertaining. Rick K2XT |
Radio Mart entertainment
Rick wrote:
I notified Ebay about the fraudulent descriptions and have yet to hear back. Ebay usually doesn't care. Amazing....and yet the stupid flock to his auctions... What would happen if a new ebay'er who just signed up, and didnt have time yet to establish his paypal account, etc. was to bid on fraudulent auctions with 3 minutes to go? And he bid $2000 on each of them? He would "win" all the auctions. Then he would disappear.......... What if 5 of his friends who post on usenet, did the same thing next Sunday night? An administrative headache for the fraudulent seller, huh? Energy better spent than just posting stuff, maybe? i.e. if there's a crook out there in the world, and he does business with ebay who may just possibly not have a single person working in the customer service department, and doesn't own a telephone, maybe there ought to be a counter-revolution? Might be very entertaining. Rick K2XT An old saying comes to mind: "Two wrongs doesn't make a right."... Whatever that means. Report him to ebay. I have done it and it sometimes works. -Chuck |
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On Dec 28, 9:36 pm, "Chuck - K1KW" wrote:
I decided to contact Rick Mish and he confirmed what we all expected. ... Rick is very disappointed that this jerk is using his reputation in Radiomart auctions. The numbers are disheartening. Rick provides a difficult service at what strikes me as a competitive rate. $1,000 - "The entire receiver is dismantled, washed, re-tubed, re- painted, re-silkscreen lettering, re paint and stripe knobs, check all components" Radiomart scams an eBay listing and almost flips the R/390A for more than Rick charges to do the work. It's almost representative of our times. People who do real work get paid pennies. The hypesters and scammers get the bucks. I notified Ebay about the fraudulent descriptions and have yet to hear back. Ebay usually doesn't care. It's not that, they don't have the resources to police the auctions. |
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Angry Hallicrafters mob takes on eBay. The following is from an eBay
listing. http://cgi.ebay.com/HALLICRAFTERS-SX-28A-PM-23-IS-IT- MISREPRESENTED_W0QQitemZ170181847596QQihZ007QQcate goryZ4673QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This is a heads-up warning to please be careful when considering any high priced Hallicrafters SX-28A at auction in the Ham Receivers category. It was brought to my attention that there is a second Hallicrafters SX-28A currently listed that is using copied pictures of my SX-28A from a previous auction that ran here and concluded just last week. Please carefully compare the inside view in auction #130186049284 with the pictures of my receiver from auction #170179225705. Notice how the yokes on the tuning shaft couplers are in exactly the same positions, spots are in the same places and dial lamp light is reflecting off the backside of the dial in the same place. The seller's intent to deceive is more evident by his strategic cropping of my original picture which is an attempt to hide the more obvious identifying features appearing in the background. The seller is plagiarizing pictures copied over the Internet and posting them as his own. Using pictures of my receiver in his auction is serious misrepresentation. BREAKING NEWS: We just learned the seller admitted all pictures connected to the SX-28A auction #130186049284 featured at the top have been copied and pasted from various sources on the Internet. The auction requires immediate payment via PayPal and is running as a private auction which means a bidder's ID will be hidden from all other viewers. A hidden ID prevents other members from contacting the bidder before he has had a chance to pay. The auction has been reported to SafeHarbor for investigation into pirated pictures which is prohibited and we also asked to check for a possible hi-jacked ID running a fraudulent annonymous auction. We will keep you posted by updating the information as it becomes available. I Received This Alert From My Buyer and Decided It Was Important and Should Be Reported: Rusty: You might find it interesting to know that one of your pictures from your, now our, SX-28 listing, is presently being used by another person on a present eBay listing. Namely, this pictu is being used by : devin3247 (144) for item: 130186049284 Not only is this person stealing your picture, but, the picture is SUPPOSED to be an interior shot of HIS radio for potential buyers; instead, it is an interior shot of YOUR radio which you have already sold to me and for which I have already sent the payment. Although this doesn't harm either of us directly, it still "ain't right". Thought you'd like to know. DP I was also contacted by a good friend who asked the subject seller for more detail about the condition of his SX-28A and this is the reply he received which he then forwarded to me: Hi, the cabinet top was discolored for some reason so it has been painted. I'm not so sure about the capacitors, I'm pretty sure that some have been replace, but most I think most of them are original. I'm not able to lift or turn the radio over anymore. My son should be over this weekend and I'll have him take a look. Thanks! I noticed he did not allow this answer to post to the description like one of the others so this indicates selective description posting and more deception. This is the actual original picture of my receiver from auction #170179225705 which is now sold |
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kh wrote:
This is a heads-up warning to please be careful when considering any high priced Hallicrafters SX-28A at auction in the Ham Receivers category. It was brought to my attention that there is a second Hallicrafters SX-28A currently listed that is using copied pictures of my SX-28A from a previous auction that ran here and concluded just last week. Please carefully compare the inside view in auction First, it is my recollection from reading the EULA for ebay that any pictures you post on ebay become the property of ebay... something they do to avoid spurious lawsuits from those that think it might be fun to post their pictures on ebay, and then sue ebay for infringement. The pictures you post on ebay show up on thousands of affiliate websites, many of which don't even identify ebay as the source. Am I the only one who remembers that it used to be when you clicked on the button for: Sell a similar item, they would copy the original listing, pictures and all? If the seller is to be believed, he is older. He says he can't pick up the receiver and flip it over anymore. Not too hard to imagine, given the high number of feeble elderly men in the hobby, many of whom recognizing their impending mortality, and are trying to clear out the heavy stuff. It is also not too hard to believe that he might not have a digital camera... most of the elderly don't..., and might have thought that using pictures from another auction wouldn't cause any concern. Hams are used to sharing everything they get with other hams, pictures, manuals,... copyright is not even considered... especially when there is no intention of selling the picture, or even using it more than the once. The only smoke here appears to be from some ancient ham's cigarette. Just a thought, -Chuck |
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On 30 Dic, 15:31, Chuck Harris wrote:
........ If the seller is to be believed, he is older. *He says he can't pick up the receiver and flip it over anymore. *Not too hard to imagine, given the high number of feeble elderly men in the hobby, many of whom recognizing their impending mortality, and are trying to clear out the heavy stuff. *It is also not too hard to believe that he might not have a digital camera... most of the elderly don't..., and might have thought that using pictures from another auction wouldn't cause any concern. *Hams are used to sharing everything they get with other hams, pictures, manuals,... copyright is not even considered... especially when there is no intention of selling the picture, or even using it more than the once. The only smoke here appears to be from some ancient ham's cigarette. Just a thought, -Chuck Just another thought. First, why not to specify in the listing that the pictures are not of the actual listed item? Further but less important, I see it is unlikely that an elderly ham, who has enough practice to sell on ebay, is able to copy and past, and probably would try to sell other stuff too, might not have a digital camera. Antonio I8IOV |
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Antonio Iovane wrote:
The only smoke here appears to be from some ancient ham's cigarette. Just a thought, -Chuck Just another thought. First, why not to specify in the listing that the pictures are not of the actual listed item? Further but less important, I see it is unlikely that an elderly ham, who has enough practice to sell on ebay, is able to copy and past, and probably would try to sell other stuff too, might not have a digital camera. Antonio I8IOV Cutting and pasting is trivial on most modern operating systems. So much so that kids in 1st grade do it, and think it is ok to copy anything that way. I still see auctions that have no pictures whatsoever. I agree that the seller should have identified where the pictures came from, but I have bought things on ebay that had "found" pictures without identification, and was not unpleased with the result. Not everything that seems suspicious is the result of treachery. -Chuck |
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:07:56 -0500, Chuck Harris
wrote: Antonio Iovane wrote: The only smoke here appears to be from some ancient ham's cigarette. Just a thought, -Chuck Just another thought. First, why not to specify in the listing that the pictures are not of the actual listed item? Further but less important, I see it is unlikely that an elderly ham, who has enough practice to sell on ebay, is able to copy and past, and probably would try to sell other stuff too, might not have a digital camera. Antonio I8IOV Cutting and pasting is trivial on most modern operating systems. So much so that kids in 1st grade do it, and think it is ok to copy anything that way. I still see auctions that have no pictures whatsoever. I agree that the seller should have identified where the pictures came from, but I have bought things on ebay that had "found" pictures without identification, and was not unpleased with the result. Not everything that seems suspicious is the result of treachery. However the claims go much farther than this example. IF the photo is listed as showing the actual item for sale but has been "borrowed" and shows the interior of an entirely different piece of equipment wouldn't that be "suspicions confirmed?" Roger -Chuck |
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Roger (K8RI) wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:07:56 -0500, Chuck Harris .... Not everything that seems suspicious is the result of treachery. However the claims go much farther than this example. IF the photo is listed as showing the actual item for sale but has been "borrowed" and shows the interior of an entirely different piece of equipment wouldn't that be "suspicions confirmed?" Yes. Is that what is being claimed? -Chuck |
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D Peter Maus wrote:
Chuck - K1KW wrote: Has anyone contacted Rick Mish to get the real story? According to the description in the orginal auction where the crook Martyn bought it under the "gottahaveit" ID, the seller only said Rick "checked it out, or went over it" That's a bit different than a refurburshing I've seen Rick do. In fact the closeups of the receiver show that Rick probably didn't do his normal excellent job and all he did was check it out. It's the outrageous BS that Martyn the crook attaches to his auctions that is amazing...and suckers fall for it all the time. The guy is an out right liar and a fraud. His description of this receiver is so wrong in a number of areas! Ebay doesn't care since they still collect fees from him AND Ebay is passive participant in his fraud since it has been documented and reported numerous times. Your original point is well made. Rick Mish should be contacted to verify if Martyn's claims are true. If Martyn is trading off Rick's reputation and the work is NOT as described, Mish can legally have Martyn's ass for fraud, misrepresentation of Mish's work, harm to his reputation, and profiteering on Rick's name without permission. Then have Rick contact eBay about trading on his reputation without permission. THAT will get the job done. Suing Radio-Marty for misrepresentation would be like suing the retarted kid at the playground because he mumbles incoherent stuff about you. Nothing against retarted kids, sorry to compare them with Marty! But a not particularly useful experience for a well-respected professional to to one-up a retarded kid. Tim. |
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Tim Shoppa wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: Chuck - K1KW wrote: Has anyone contacted Rick Mish to get the real story? According to the description in the orginal auction where the crook Martyn bought it under the "gottahaveit" ID, the seller only said Rick "checked it out, or went over it" That's a bit different than a refurburshing I've seen Rick do. In fact the closeups of the receiver show that Rick probably didn't do his normal excellent job and all he did was check it out. It's the outrageous BS that Martyn the crook attaches to his auctions that is amazing...and suckers fall for it all the time. The guy is an out right liar and a fraud. His description of this receiver is so wrong in a number of areas! Ebay doesn't care since they still collect fees from him AND Ebay is passive participant in his fraud since it has been documented and reported numerous times. Your original point is well made. Rick Mish should be contacted to verify if Martyn's claims are true. If Martyn is trading off Rick's reputation and the work is NOT as described, Mish can legally have Martyn's ass for fraud, misrepresentation of Mish's work, harm to his reputation, and profiteering on Rick's name without permission. Then have Rick contact eBay about trading on his reputation without permission. THAT will get the job done. Suing Radio-Marty for misrepresentation would be like suing the retarted kid at the playground because he mumbles incoherent stuff about you. Nothing against retarted kids, sorry to compare them with Marty! But a not particularly useful experience for a well-respected professional to to one-up a retarded kid. Tim. Actually, it happens every day. On the private and the corporate level. Someone trading on another's reputation, is serious enough in itself. Misrepresenting products in another's name can have long term consequences to the business and personal reputation of the person who's reputation his being traded upon. Litigation, as distasteful as it may seem, is the only way to minimize that kind of damage. Often, however, the process never makes it to a courtroom. Once an action is filed, settlements often happen quickly. |
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Tim Shoppa wrote:
Don Bowey wrote: On 1/1/08 9:27 AM, in article , "Tim Shoppa" wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: Chuck - K1KW wrote: Has anyone contacted Rick Mish to get the real story? According to the description in the orginal auction where the crook Martyn bought it under the "gottahaveit" ID, the seller only said Rick "checked it out, or went over it" That's a bit different than a refurburshing I've seen Rick do. In fact the closeups of the receiver show that Rick probably didn't do his normal excellent job and all he did was check it out. It's the outrageous BS that Martyn the crook attaches to his auctions that is amazing...and suckers fall for it all the time. The guy is an out right liar and a fraud. His description of this receiver is so wrong in a number of areas! Ebay doesn't care since they still collect fees from him AND Ebay is passive participant in his fraud since it has been documented and reported numerous times. Your original point is well made. Rick Mish should be contacted to verify if Martyn's claims are true. If Martyn is trading off Rick's reputation and the work is NOT as described, Mish can legally have Martyn's ass for fraud, misrepresentation of Mish's work, harm to his reputation, and profiteering on Rick's name without permission. Then have Rick contact eBay about trading on his reputation without permission. THAT will get the job done. Suing Radio-Marty for misrepresentation would be like suing the retarted kid at the playground because he mumbles incoherent stuff about you. Nothing against retarted kids, sorry to compare them with Marty! But a not particularly useful experience for a well-respected professional to to one-up a retarded kid. Tim. Why do you see it that way instead of seeing RadioMart as a calculating predator? Do you have any personal or business relationship to him? I have canceled bids in the past by "gottahaveit(whatever)" on items I had for sale, after I figured out it was him. Selling a radio to him would be about as bright as selling a gun to the retarded kid at the playground. It just isn't worth it. If he were a professional predator, I might devote some effort other than just canceling his bids. But that's not what I see him as. Do you think I'm giving him too much credit, or too little? Probably too much if I bother to type about him here! OMFG. I just looked under "radio-mart" on Ebay and this guy is not the small-timer he was a couple years back. He's got 88 auctions going on just for radios! I believe I will have to re-align my opinions in the near future... not sure where they'll fall but it's clear that he is not the retarded kid on the playground he used to be. He's more like the retarded kingpin of the ****ing mafia! Tim. |
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"Tommy D" wrote in message ... I have canceled bids in the past by "gottahaveit(whatever)" on items I had for sale, after I figured out it was him. Selling a radio to him would be about as bright as selling a gun to the retarded kid at the playground. It just isn't worth it. If he were a professional predator, I might devote some effort other than just canceling his bids. But that's not what I see him as. Do you think I'm giving him too much credit, or too little? Probably too much if I bother to type about him here! OMFG. I just looked under "radio-mart" on Ebay and this guy is not the small-timer he was a couple years back. He's got 88 auctions going on just for radios! I believe I will have to re-align my opinions in the near future... not sure where they'll fall but it's clear that he is not the retarded kid on the playground he used to be. He's more like the retarded kingpin of the ****ing mafia! Tim. You know Tim, I have a child who is autistic and mentally retarded. It would be nice if you would think of a better analogy to use instead of picking on people who have no choice of their destiny in life. I have a brother that is mentally handicapped and the best way to deal with people that offend them is to not let it offend you. Most people don't mean to offend and I don't think Tim was trying to be mean, although the analogy was tasteless. Our love for the handicapped people in our lives shouldn't make us hyper sensitive trying to protect them and the real aholes that say stuff to be mean are lonely pathetic souls with bigger issues than any handicapped person we'll ever know. BH |
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On Jan 1, 10:38*pm, "Brian Hill" wrote:
"Tommy D" wrote in message You know Tim, I have a child who is autistic and mentally retarded. It would be nice if you would think of a better analogy to use instead of picking on people who have no choice of their destiny in life. I have a brother that is mentally handicapped and the best way to deal with people that offend them is to not let it offend you. Most people don't mean to offend and I don't think Tim was trying to be mean, although the analogy was tasteless. Our love for the handicapped people in our lives shouldn't make us hyper sensitive trying to protect them and the real aholes that say stuff to be mean are lonely pathetic souls with bigger issues than any handicapped person we'll ever know. BH- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Brian, your ability to bite your tongue speaks to your unusual self- discipline, but I didn't read Tom's mild comment as anything more than a polite reminder that there are other and better ways to make a point. He didn't wail about how offended he was, or lash out at Tim or call him names. My wife worked with retarded kids for many years--it galls us when we hear kids call each other "retard" or say "that was retarded." Our own son did it when he got to middle-school age. An occasional calm heads-up like Tom's is fine in my book. |
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"Avery W3AVE" wrote in message ... On Jan 1, 10:38 pm, "Brian Hill" wrote: "Tommy D" wrote in message You know Tim, I have a child who is autistic and mentally retarded. It would be nice if you would think of a better analogy to use instead of picking on people who have no choice of their destiny in life. I have a brother that is mentally handicapped and the best way to deal with people that offend them is to not let it offend you. Most people don't mean to offend and I don't think Tim was trying to be mean, although the analogy was tasteless. Our love for the handicapped people in our lives shouldn't make us hyper sensitive trying to protect them and the real aholes that say stuff to be mean are lonely pathetic souls with bigger issues than any handicapped person we'll ever know. BH- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Brian, your ability to bite your tongue speaks to your unusual self- discipline, but I didn't read Tom's mild comment as anything more than a polite reminder that there are other and better ways to make a point. He didn't wail about how offended he was, or lash out at Tim or call him names. My wife worked with retarded kids for many years--it galls us when we hear kids call each other "retard" or say "that was retarded." Our own son did it when he got to middle-school age. An occasional calm heads-up like Tom's is fine in my book. I agree 100% and I'm not trying to scold anyone. All I'm saying is, It can really give you a workout dealing with peoples statements and behavior on the subject. I can't count the trouble, arguments and scraps I got into as a young man trying to protect my brother and one day he said " Brother don't let it bother you soo much, it doesn't bother me. I've leaned to accept myself and others who are differant and they haven't. We need to set the example for them." My brother is border line autistic and he's like a kid in some ways and a genius in other ways. I've learned a lot from him. BH BH |
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"22ptp" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:19:36 -0600, "Brian Hill" wrote: "Avery W3AVE" wrote in message ... On Jan 1, 10:38 pm, "Brian Hill" wrote: "Tommy D" wrote in message You know Tim, I have a child who is autistic and mentally retarded. It would be nice if you would think of a better analogy to use instead of picking on people who have no choice of their destiny in life. I have a brother that is mentally handicapped and the best way to deal with people that offend them is to not let it offend you. Most people don't mean to offend and I don't think Tim was trying to be mean, although the analogy was tasteless. Our love for the handicapped people in our lives shouldn't make us hyper sensitive trying to protect them and the real aholes that say stuff to be mean are lonely pathetic souls with bigger issues than any handicapped person we'll ever know. BH- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Brian, your ability to bite your tongue speaks to your unusual self- discipline, but I didn't read Tom's mild comment as anything more than a polite reminder that there are other and better ways to make a point. He didn't wail about how offended he was, or lash out at Tim or call him names. My wife worked with retarded kids for many years--it galls us when we hear kids call each other "retard" or say "that was retarded." Our own son did it when he got to middle-school age. An occasional calm heads-up like Tom's is fine in my book. I agree 100% and I'm not trying to scold anyone. All I'm saying is, It can really give you a workout dealing with peoples statements and behavior on the subject. I can't count the trouble, arguments and scraps I got into as a young man trying to protect my brother and one day he said " Brother don't let it bother you soo much, it doesn't bother me. I've leaned to accept myself and others who are differant and they haven't. We need to set the example for them." My brother is border line autistic and he's like a kid in some ways and a genius in other ways. I've learned a lot from him. BH BH Yeah, and you have a long way to go. So according to you, it's just fine to label people and call them names. Just tell them to not let it bother them. As for your "brother", he speaks with more wisdom and logic than you'll ever know. Huh????? I think you got it backwards. BH |
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Hey would you guys mind taking your personal conversation to private email
and not distribute it to the rest of the world? Most of us don't care. |
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"Rick" wrote in message ... Hey would you guys mind taking your personal conversation to private email and not distribute it to the rest of the world? Most of us don't care. Ok Sorry! BH |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:19:36 -0600, "Brian Hill" wrote:
"Avery W3AVE" wrote in message ... On Jan 1, 10:38 pm, "Brian Hill" wrote: "Tommy D" wrote in message You know Tim, I have a child who is autistic and mentally retarded. It would be nice if you would think of a better analogy to use instead of picking on people who have no choice of their destiny in life. I have a brother that is mentally handicapped and the best way to deal with people that offend them is to not let it offend you. Most people don't mean to offend and I don't think Tim was trying to be mean, although the analogy was tasteless. Our love for the handicapped people in our lives shouldn't make us hyper sensitive trying to protect them and the real aholes that say stuff to be mean are lonely pathetic souls with bigger issues than any handicapped person we'll ever know. BH- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Brian, your ability to bite your tongue speaks to your unusual self- discipline, but I didn't read Tom's mild comment as anything more than a polite reminder that there are other and better ways to make a point. He didn't wail about how offended he was, or lash out at Tim or call him names. My wife worked with retarded kids for many years--it galls us when we hear kids call each other "retard" or say "that was retarded." Our own son did it when he got to middle-school age. An occasional calm heads-up like Tom's is fine in my book. I agree 100% and I'm not trying to scold anyone. All I'm saying is, It can really give you a workout dealing with peoples statements and behavior on the subject. I can't count the trouble, arguments and scraps I got into as a young man trying to protect my brother and one day he said " Brother don't let it bother you soo much, it doesn't bother me. I've leaned to accept myself and others who are differant and they haven't. We need to set the example for them." My brother is border line autistic and he's like a kid in some ways and a genius in other ways. I've learned a lot from him. BH BH Yeah, and you have a long way to go. So according to you, it's just fine to label people and call them names. Just tell them to not let it bother them. As for your "brother", he speaks with more wisdom and logic than you'll ever know. |
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