wrote:

I did a google on Copyright laws and I understand that copy righted
manuals are protected for the LIFE of the owner plus 75 years..

This is true in the UK, not in the US.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote:

I did a google on Copyright laws and I understand that copy righted
manuals are protected for the LIFE of the owner plus 75 years..

In the US, it's around 100 years, going back retroactively to anything
that was still under copyright. I think the start date had to do with the
first full length Disney film.

Geoff.


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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
...
Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote:

I did a google on Copyright laws and I understand that copy righted
manuals are protected for the LIFE of the owner plus 75 years..


I believe for pre 1962 the copyrights had to have been renewed.
All of this was hashed over on the Heathkit Yahoo! users group
for those who want to peruse the subject. The new owner
admitted a few of the manuals weren't copyrighted (AT-1, etc.)
but no definitive list was given. FWIW.

Pete

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote:
I did a google on Copyright laws and I understand that copy righted
manuals are protected for the LIFE of the owner plus 75 years..

In the US, it's around 100 years, going back retroactively to anything
that was still under copyright. I think the start date had to do with the
first full length Disney film.

Geoff.



Actually it was a pretty Mickey Mouse thing. The copyright on Mickey was
expiring so Walt Disney Productions got the law changed.

Dave

Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote:
I did a google on Copyright laws and I understand that copy righted
manuals are protected for the LIFE of the owner plus 75 years..

This is true in the UK, not in the US.
--scott


With the global nature of the Internet sooner or later they will all
appear on a server located somewhere outside USA rule.....

Steve H

"Stev eH" With the global nature of the Internet sooner or later they
will all
appear on a server located somewhere outside USA rule.....

Steve H

They are on a DK server right now I'm hoping for the
best when the dust and tempers settle.

Please enlighten me what is the DK server.
"Tio Pedro" wrote in message
...

"Stev eH" With the global nature of the Internet sooner or later they
will all
appear on a server located somewhere outside USA rule.....

Steve H

They are on a DK server right now I'm hoping for the
best when the dust and tempers settle.

"Jump'n Jack Flash" wrote in message
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Please enlighten me what is the DK server.

http://www.mods.dk/manual.php

Tio Pedro wrote:

They are on a DK server right now I'm hoping for the
best when the dust and tempers settle.

They won't be for long.

That server exists because of a "don't ask, don't tell" policy from
the owners of the copyrights of many of the manuals. Legally if they
can prove 10 copies of any one manual have been downloaded, they can
file suit under the Berne Convention, and have InterPol knocking at their
door demanding download records.

The whole process will cost the copyright owners less than $1000, and probably
put the site and similar ones out of business.

If they do secure the download logs, then they have four years from the
date they were first notified to sue them for damages.

If they decide to sue them or not, it does not place the manuals in
the public domain. Copyrights do not need to be reapplied for, nor enforced
to stay in effect. The requirement to renew them has long since been dropped.

At this point, no copyrighted US work will have its protection expire
for almost 20 years, so you can't easily wait them out.

If German (and now EU) law allows the copyrights to expire or fair use
as defined in the EU allows them to be downloaded, the copyright owners
could force them to not allow downloads of copyrighted US manuals to US
residents, which would basicly put them out of business.

IMHO the best thing the people who run the DK server can do is to remove
the Heath manuals and hope it ends there.

Geoff.
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message At this
point, no copyrighted US work will have its protection expire
for almost 20 years, so you can't easily wait them out.

If German (and now EU) law allows the copyrights to expire or fair use
as defined in the EU allows them to be downloaded, the copyright owners
could force them to not allow downloads of copyrighted US manuals to US
residents, which would basicly put them out of business.
Geoff.
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

Well, you are welcome to your opinion, but the copyrights
prior to a certain date in the 60s HAD to be renewed to be
still in effect. The copyright owner has admitted this, and
he has stated that a few manuals are no longer protected.

I have no bone to pick in this beef, since I usually buy the
manuals for any equipment that I own. This has all been
hashed out in the Heathkit forum on the Yahoo! users's
group (public access for reading postings) between
the users and the new copyright owner.