What does "power up" mean?
 

Hello all,
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay.
The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing
more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x
6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers
up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube
equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the
pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller
refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a
closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does
anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price?

Doug W4DAS

Doug Shields wrote:
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay.
The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing
more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x
6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers
up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube
equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the
pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller
refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a
closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does
anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price?

By Ebay standards, this is LIKE NEW-- EXCELLENT CONDITION because it has
never been on fire or filled with mud.

There are a bunch of 6L6 variants in current production. The Russian
5881WXGT tube is available from Antique Electronics Supply for seven or
eight bucks. It has a taller envelope than the standard 6L6, and is
basically a 7027 without the pin jumper. It far exceeeds 6L6 specs and
will last nearly forever in a circuit designed for the 6L6.

If that's too much money you can get a Russian 6L6 design for around five
bucks that is about as good as the GE originals but no better.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Doug Shields wrote:
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay.
The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing
more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x
6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers
up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube
equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the
pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller
refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a
closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does
anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price?

By Ebay standards, this is LIKE NEW-- EXCELLENT CONDITION because it has
never been on fire or filled with mud.

There are a bunch of 6L6 variants in current production. The Russian
5881WXGT tube is available from Antique Electronics Supply for seven or
eight bucks. It has a taller envelope than the standard 6L6, and is
basically a 7027 without the pin jumper. It far exceeeds 6L6 specs and
will last nearly forever in a circuit designed for the 6L6.

If that's too much money you can get a Russian 6L6 design for around five
bucks that is about as good as the GE originals but no better.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Power up is in the mouth of the beholder.
1. Applied power -- light came on - I don't know what it is or what it
does -- (so no further checks.)

2. Applied power -- light came on -- opened covers -- no smoke. I don't know
what it is or what it does -- (so no further checks.)

3. Applied power -- fully operational in all respects.


For what it may be worth, I always e-mail the seller and ask:
1. Is the unit complete in all respects?
2. Is it fully functional in all modes, ranges and all controls fully
operational?
3. Is the photo on E-Bay the unit u are selling or obtained elsewhere.
4. If the answer is yes to all of the above, will u please send me a money
back guarantee statement, should I find otherwise.

If seller declines -- I don't bid unless it is an extremely low price and I
ascertain it can be repaired.

Have been very successfully obtaining hard to find items and no returns to
date.

I have bought some Heathkits -- very very cheap on E-Bay and repaired
them -- was worth while .


--
73 From the Spurious Noise ';';;';x":.,";"'
"Doug Shields" wrote in message
om...
Hello all,
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay.
The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing
more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x
6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers
up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube
equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the
pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller
refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a
closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does
anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price?

Doug W4DAS

Power up is in the mouth of the beholder.
1. Applied power -- light came on - I don't know what it is or what it
does -- (so no further checks.)

2. Applied power -- light came on -- opened covers -- no smoke. I don't know
what it is or what it does -- (so no further checks.)

3. Applied power -- fully operational in all respects.


For what it may be worth, I always e-mail the seller and ask:
1. Is the unit complete in all respects?
2. Is it fully functional in all modes, ranges and all controls fully
operational?
3. Is the photo on E-Bay the unit u are selling or obtained elsewhere.
4. If the answer is yes to all of the above, will u please send me a money
back guarantee statement, should I find otherwise.

If seller declines -- I don't bid unless it is an extremely low price and I
ascertain it can be repaired.

Have been very successfully obtaining hard to find items and no returns to
date.

I have bought some Heathkits -- very very cheap on E-Bay and repaired
them -- was worth while .


--
73 From the Spurious Noise ';';;';x":.,";"'
"Doug Shields" wrote in message
om...
Hello all,
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay.
The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing
more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x
6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers
up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube
equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the
pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller
refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a
closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does
anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price?

Doug W4DAS

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"Doug Shields" wrote in message
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Hello all,
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay.
The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing
more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x
6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers
up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube
equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the
pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller
refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a
closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does
anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price?

Doug W4DAS

The seller is a typical example of ebay scum..


This ain't limited to eBay. I get the same crap from sellers on
the newsgroups and face-to-face at hamfests. I just assume that
everything I buy from every seller will need work, unless I have
personally tried it out before I plunked down my money.

73,
Dean K5DH

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"Doug Shields" wrote in message
. com...
Hello all,
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay.
The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing
more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x
6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers
up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube
equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the
pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller
refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a
closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does
anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price?

Doug W4DAS

The seller is a typical example of ebay scum..


This ain't limited to eBay. I get the same crap from sellers on
the newsgroups and face-to-face at hamfests. I just assume that
everything I buy from every seller will need work, unless I have
personally tried it out before I plunked down my money.

73,
Dean K5DH

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:30:19 UTC, (Doug Shields)
wrote:

Hello all,
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay.
The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing
more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x
6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers
up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube
equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the
pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller
refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a
closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does
anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price?

Doug W4DAS

Give him negative feedback on his attitude. As for the missing
tubes, did he say, "it seems to be all there" or "I looked in
and 3 tubes are missing", well, that's your call.

Here's a story, I bought a "parts SB-303" on eBay and was surprised
that all the lower chassis boards were missing. This was not
disclosed.

On the other hand, I only paid about $70 for it and got an SSB and a
CW filter (worth maybe $30 each) and an LMO (worth $50-100) as well
as other parts that I used to restore other Heaths.

So, yeah, he scammed me. Perhaps other bidders with a better
sense for scams were scared off. But I ended up with parts worth
twice what I paid AND parts that I needed to repair my other radios.

I'm restoring Heath SB's and having a spare LMO is a worth more than
I paid.

In fact, I suspect that if he had been up front about what was
missing and what was there, that folks would have bid higher.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:30:19 UTC, (Doug Shields)
wrote:

Hello all,
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay.
The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing
more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x
6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers
up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube
equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the
pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller
refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a
closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does
anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price?

Doug W4DAS

Give him negative feedback on his attitude. As for the missing
tubes, did he say, "it seems to be all there" or "I looked in
and 3 tubes are missing", well, that's your call.

Here's a story, I bought a "parts SB-303" on eBay and was surprised
that all the lower chassis boards were missing. This was not
disclosed.

On the other hand, I only paid about $70 for it and got an SSB and a
CW filter (worth maybe $30 each) and an LMO (worth $50-100) as well
as other parts that I used to restore other Heaths.

So, yeah, he scammed me. Perhaps other bidders with a better
sense for scams were scared off. But I ended up with parts worth
twice what I paid AND parts that I needed to repair my other radios.

I'm restoring Heath SB's and having a spare LMO is a worth more than
I paid.

In fact, I suspect that if he had been up front about what was
missing and what was there, that folks would have bid higher.

On 25 Sep 2003 15:54:17 -0400, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Doug Shields wrote:
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay.
The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing
more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x
6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers
up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube
equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the
pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller
refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a
closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does
anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price?

By Ebay standards, this is LIKE NEW-- EXCELLENT CONDITION because it has
never been on fire or filled with mud.

There are a bunch of 6L6 variants in current production. The Russian

There are two major glass variants of the 6L6, plus the metal one.
One of the glass, has twice the plate dissipation of the other and it
basically twice the size. They are about the same size as a 6550.

Retail price on the big ones, new (they are used in a lot of guitar
amps) is EXPENSIVE. I've not seen any of the Russian equivalents.

5881WXGT tube is available from Antique Electronics Supply for seven or
eight bucks. It has a taller envelope than the standard 6L6, and is

There are the two *standard* 6L6s. Retail on the larger one at music
stores is nigh onto 30 bucks.

basically a 7027 without the pin jumper. It far exceeeds 6L6 specs and

Again, which 6L6 specs?
I used to run 90 watts out on 75 and 40 with a pair of the larger
ones. My guitar amp runs 290 watts plus with 6 of them and they don't
last forever. :-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

will last nearly forever in a circuit designed for the 6L6.

If that's too much money you can get a Russian 6L6 design for around five
bucks that is about as good as the GE originals but no better.
--scott