JJ ) writes:
Oren Blackman wrote:

Hi Bill - Ebay postings are in fact IN the charter for this newsgroup. If
you don't like them, you should learn how to use your newsreader filters
so you won't be 'offended'. But flaming people is actually a VIOLATION
of the group - so really, you are the one who is sort of 'out of synch'

Email if you have questions,

Could you post a pointer to the charter?

Actually, the charter won't say anything about Ebay.

Boatanchors was created back in late 1995 or 96, which I thought predated
Ebay.

There is an archive of newsgroup creation messages at
ftp://ftp.uu.net/archive/usenet/control
(at least for those newsgroups created after the archive was started)
and one can see the creation message for boatanchors he
ftp://ftp.uu.net/archive/usenet/cont....boatanchors.Z

It seems later than I remember it being created.

I remember the discussion. There was concern that if ads were allowed,
the newsgroup wouldn't be carried by some sites, a reflection of the
non-business roots of the internet. But unfortunately, some whined
that buying and selling was integral to the hobby of old equipment,
so ads were decided to be on-topic.

Note, however, the line about
The newsgroup, rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors, is primarily for
discussions of topics related to classic amateur radio gear.

And note that when it goes into detail about what's on and off-topic,
mention of ads is pretty far down the list.

In other words, ads do seem to be allowed, but it sure wasn't
the intent when this newsgroup was created that ads be a significant
amount of the traffic.

Note that we often see off-topic stuff discussed and forsale here.
A TS-830 is hardly a boatanchor, not in size/weight, age, or makeup.

ONce it was decided that ads do fit in here, sadly then we get
completely off topic posts, because people don't care when they
sell things, so if they see ads it's okay to sell recent equipment,
computers, audio stuff, and even guns.

I don't differentiate between forsale ads and Ebay ads in discussion
newsgroups. To fuss about it seems to ignore the very fact that ads
don't belong in discussion newsgroups.

What clearly does seem to violate the intent of the charter is someone
posting multiple posts the same day, treating this as a buy and sell newsgroup
rather than a discussion newsgroup where incidental buying and selling is
permitted. There is a big difference between someone who is here and
discussing this neat old equipment, and happens to offer some old piece
of equipment, and someone who comes here merely to sell their stuff.


Michael VE2BVW

Michael Black wrote:

JJ ) writes:



I remember the discussion. There was concern that if ads were allowed,
the newsgroup wouldn't be carried by some sites, a reflection of the
non-business roots of the internet. But unfortunately, some whined
that buying and selling was integral to the hobby of old equipment,
so ads were decided to be on-topic.

Note, however, the line about
The newsgroup, rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors, is primarily for
discussions of topics related to classic amateur radio gear.

But that isn't going to stop the ebay hounds from spaming there auction ads.

And note that when it goes into detail about what's on and off-topic,
mention of ads is pretty far down the list.

In other words, ads do seem to be allowed, but it sure wasn't
the intent when this newsgroup was created that ads be a significant
amount of the traffic.

Exactly, the intent was to have the group for discussion and if someone
occasionally had an item for sale that would be OK. Then comes the
ebayers who thing every newsgroup was created just so they can spam
their auction ads to squeeze an extra buck out of their auction. Now
this group is mostly ads for ebay junk and very little discussion thanks
to those who only care to make a buck.

Note that we often see off-topic stuff discussed and forsale here.
A TS-830 is hardly a boatanchor, not in size/weight, age, or makeup.

ONce it was decided that ads do fit in here, sadly then we get
completely off topic posts, because people don't care when they
sell things, so if they see ads it's okay to sell recent equipment,
computers, audio stuff, and even guns.

If it makes them an extra buck the could not care less about posting
their ebay ads to discussion newsgroups.

I don't differentiate between forsale ads and Ebay ads in discussion
newsgroups. To fuss about it seems to ignore the very fact that ads
don't belong in discussion newsgroups.

What clearly does seem to violate the intent of the charter is someone
posting multiple posts the same day, treating this as a buy and sell newsgroup
rather than a discussion newsgroup where incidental buying and selling is
permitted. There is a big difference between someone who is here and
discussing this neat old equipment, and happens to offer some old piece
of equipment, and someone who comes here merely to sell their stuff.

Exactly, but the ebayers don't care, the main thing is to try to make an
extra dollar or two on their auction. Ebay sellers have ruin many
discussion groups.

So what exactly is stopping you from posting your
wonderful discussion material? I have not seen a peep
of it. Personally, I am able to ignore things I don't like.
But you apparently don't have that skill? I don't get it...

Quitcherbellyaching and:

a: Learn use FILTERS. Block the words Ebay and FA and
then you can sleep at night, without all that nasty intrusion.
That will make it so you 'see no evil'.

b: Start posting all your wonderful discussion material. I'd like to
read some of it, but I have not seen ONE POST by you. Your
ONLY additions to this group are BITCHES.

c. Start a JJ newsgroup and you can Lord over it.

George Bradley
Salt Lake


"JJ" wrote in message
...
Michael Black wrote:

JJ ) writes:



I remember the discussion. There was concern that if ads were allowed,
the newsgroup wouldn't be carried by some sites, a reflection of the
non-business roots of the internet. But unfortunately, some whined
that buying and selling was integral to the hobby of old equipment,
so ads were decided to be on-topic.

Note, however, the line about
The newsgroup, rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors, is primarily for
discussions of topics related to classic amateur radio gear.

But that isn't going to stop the ebay hounds from spaming there auction
ads.

And note that when it goes into detail about what's on and off-topic,
mention of ads is pretty far down the list.

In other words, ads do seem to be allowed, but it sure wasn't
the intent when this newsgroup was created that ads be a significant
amount of the traffic.

Exactly, the intent was to have the group for discussion and if someone
occasionally had an item for sale that would be OK. Then comes the
ebayers who thing every newsgroup was created just so they can spam
their auction ads to squeeze an extra buck out of their auction. Now
this group is mostly ads for ebay junk and very little discussion thanks
to those who only care to make a buck.

Note that we often see off-topic stuff discussed and forsale here.
A TS-830 is hardly a boatanchor, not in size/weight, age, or makeup.

ONce it was decided that ads do fit in here, sadly then we get
completely off topic posts, because people don't care when they
sell things, so if they see ads it's okay to sell recent equipment,
computers, audio stuff, and even guns.

If it makes them an extra buck the could not care less about posting
their ebay ads to discussion newsgroups.

I don't differentiate between forsale ads and Ebay ads in discussion
newsgroups. To fuss about it seems to ignore the very fact that ads
don't belong in discussion newsgroups.

What clearly does seem to violate the intent of the charter is someone
posting multiple posts the same day, treating this as a buy and sell
newsgroup
rather than a discussion newsgroup where incidental buying and selling
is
permitted. There is a big difference between someone who is here and
discussing this neat old equipment, and happens to offer some old piece
of equipment, and someone who comes here merely to sell their stuff.

Exactly, but the ebayers don't care, the main thing is to try to make an
extra dollar or two on their auction. Ebay sellers have ruin many
discussion groups.

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Michael Black wrote:

JJ ) writes:



I remember the discussion. There was concern that if ads were allowed,
the newsgroup wouldn't be carried by some sites, a reflection of the
non-business roots of the internet. But unfortunately, some whined
that buying and selling was integral to the hobby of old equipment,
so ads were decided to be on-topic.

Note, however, the line about
The newsgroup, rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors, is primarily for
discussions of topics related to classic amateur radio gear.

But that isn't going to stop the ebay hounds from spaming there auction
ads.

And note that when it goes into detail about what's on and off-topic,
mention of ads is pretty far down the list.

In other words, ads do seem to be allowed, but it sure wasn't
the intent when this newsgroup was created that ads be a significant
amount of the traffic.

Exactly, the intent was to have the group for discussion and if someone
occasionally had an item for sale that would be OK. Then comes the
ebayers who thing every newsgroup was created just so they can spam
their auction ads to squeeze an extra buck out of their auction. Now
this group is mostly ads for ebay junk and very little discussion thanks
to those who only care to make a buck.

Note that we often see off-topic stuff discussed and forsale here.
A TS-830 is hardly a boatanchor, not in size/weight, age, or makeup.

ONce it was decided that ads do fit in here, sadly then we get
completely off topic posts, because people don't care when they
sell things, so if they see ads it's okay to sell recent equipment,
computers, audio stuff, and even guns.

If it makes them an extra buck the could not care less about posting
their ebay ads to discussion newsgroups.

I don't differentiate between forsale ads and Ebay ads in discussion
newsgroups. To fuss about it seems to ignore the very fact that ads
don't belong in discussion newsgroups.

What clearly does seem to violate the intent of the charter is someone
posting multiple posts the same day, treating this as a buy and sell
newsgroup
rather than a discussion newsgroup where incidental buying and selling
is
permitted. There is a big difference between someone who is here and
discussing this neat old equipment, and happens to offer some old piece
of equipment, and someone who comes here merely to sell their stuff.

Exactly, but the ebayers don't care, the main thing is to try to make an
extra dollar or two on their auction. Ebay sellers have ruin many
discussion groups.

George H. Bradley wrote:

Personally, I am able to ignore things I don't like.
But you apparently don't have that skill?

Apparently you don't either as you evidenty have been reading the posts
and here you are replying. If you don't like these posts, then learn how
to ignore them.

JJ wrote in message
...
George H. Bradley wrote:

Personally, I am able to ignore things I don't like.
But you apparently don't have that skill?

Apparently you don't either as you evidenty have been reading the posts
and here you are replying. If you don't like these posts, then learn how
to ignore them.


Now ain't THAT a switch!
JJ, go look in a mirror and read that last sentance
you just posted, then think about the bitching you've
been doing.
Painted yourself in a corner, didn't cha??
HAHAHAHAHA!