On 22 Dec 2003 21:01:03 GMT, r (Mike Knudsen)
wrote:

In article , "Kenneth D. Grimm,
K4XL" writes:

Web browsers are designed primarily to read html
code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few,

It's not so much a case of getting it right, but of integrating
applications. Where as MS sells "Front Page" which can up load in
addition to editing HTML and SHML pages, the others have their editing
software package integrated with the browsers.

Explorer will download just fine.

such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer
seems to have a few problems!

Well, Explorer does tend to download a file not to your normal hard drive

Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird, and Netscape do that as well.

space, but to its own Temporary file space, and then try to display it

It uses either the temp files of the OS, or it will use the temp files
for the particular user. It also creates a temp file directory/folder
for each instance operating. If you open three instances of Explorer
there will be three different temp files.

Again Netscape, Mozilla, and Mosilla Firebird do this. I've never
checked into how Opera handles it as I prefer either Firebird, or
Mozilla. I've used netscape for years, but have been moving away from
it to the core, which is Mozilla.

immediately on your screen if it's graphics, play it if sound, etc. There
should be a button to just download it to disk and leave it.

Also, Explorer lacks an "Upload" button -- I went to upload a file to RTSI.com
and couldn't -- there was no way to "manually" start an upload, since the
screen page didn't have a button.

It's a straight browser. Most of the other features are ... well...
added features or plugins.

Indirectly you can upload using Front Page which is their composer.
Netscape, and Mozilla use "composer" as an integrated function.

Even using Netscape, Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird, and Opera, (all are
installed on this machine and I use Agent as a news reader) I still
resort to a separate FTP utility for normal up and downloading and I
do the majority of my HTML editing in a text editor rather than Front
Page, or one of the others. I once used Netscape's composer on my home
page and it took me over three days to get it straightened out. I've
never been willing to try it again. Maybe some day on a small page.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

Any other problems I should know about? Thanks, Mike K.

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:11:23 GMT, "Brian Goldsmith"
wrote:


"Jim Flanagan" wrote

I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA
ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is
it me or the site?

I just accessed it.
It was a bit slow and operated in bits and jumps.
I tried again and received the error , "Maximum number of users
connected, try again later", or at least something to that effect.

Apparently the site is receiving some very heavy use.
I tried both Mozilla and Internet Explorer and both worked although it
took a few tries.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/

*** Try http://bama.sbc.edu/

Brian Goldsmith.

"Mike Knudsen" wrote in message
...
In article , "Kenneth D.
Grimm,
K4XL" writes:

Web browsers are designed primarily to read html
code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few,
such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer
seems to have a few problems!

Well, Explorer does tend to download a file not to your normal hard drive
space, but to its own Temporary file space, and then try to display it
immediately on your screen if it's graphics, play it if sound, etc. There
should be a button to just download it to disk and leave it.


Right-click, Save As...?

Ed

Mike Knudsen wrote:

Also, Explorer lacks an "Upload" button -- I went
to upload a file to RTSI.com and couldn't -- there
was no way to "manually" start an upload, since the
screen page didn't have a button.

Use the Force, Luke....

Or more particularly, use Bill's Desktop Metaphor.

Simply drag and drop anything you want to upload
(files, folders) into the directory you are looking
at with the IE browser in FTP mode.

This isn't prominently explained anywhere in the
HELP files because everybody just *knows* it.
(Yeah, right!)

Jim, K7JEB
Glendale, AZ

"Ed Price" wrote in message
news:Y6VFb.12988$7D3.1169@fed1read02...

"Mike Knudsen" wrote in message
...
In article , "Kenneth D.
Grimm,
K4XL" writes:

Web browsers are designed primarily to read html
code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few,
such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer
seems to have a few problems!

Well, Explorer does tend to download a file not to your normal hard
drive
space, but to its own Temporary file space, and then try to display it
immediately on your screen if it's graphics, play it if sound, etc.
There
should be a button to just download it to disk and leave it.


Right-click, Save As...?


That's the way I usually do it, although you can just double-click on the
file and wait for the dialogue box to open.

jak

Ed

In article TkXFb.21712$J77.20557@fed1read07, "K7JEB"
writes:

Or more particularly, use Bill's Desktop Metaphor.

Simply drag and drop anything you want to upload
(files, folders) into the directory you are looking
at with the IE browser in FTP mode.

This isn't prominently explained anywhere in the
HELP files because everybody just *knows* it.
(Yeah, right!)

Wow! I never would have thought that the drag-n-drop would work over the Net
like that. In my case, too much knowedge was a bad thing -- I knew how much
was involved, and just never thought that this might work.

I've used drag-n-drop for some pretty weird things. Didi you know that when a
digital camera is hooked up via USB, and appears as a "removable device" on
your desktop, that you can drag and drop any kind of file into your camera's
memory card? Nice emergency backup trick. --Mike K.

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In article Y6VFb.12988$7D3.1169@fed1read02, "Ed Price"
writes:

Right-click, Save As...?

Sometimes that works -- if you're clicking on a link phrase, it will.
If someone has left you a complete URL path to the file, and you Go to that, it
will do a "left button" load to its temp file, no way to override.
--Mike K.

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On 24 Dec 2003 04:24:04 GMT, r (Mike Knudsen)
wrote:

In article Y6VFb.12988$7D3.1169@fed1read02, "Ed Price"
writes:

Right-click, Save As...?

Sometimes that works -- if you're clicking on a link phrase, it will.
If someone has left you a complete URL path to the file, and you Go to that, it
will do a "left button" load to its temp file, no way to override.

So... Let it save it to it's temp file, then select save, save page,
or save page as. One should work. It will not go through another
download. It's will just copy the temp file to where you want it and
you can name it , or use the original.

Or in the case of a true ftp as has been mentioned, just drag and
drop. Explorer treats most files as if they were on the computer. So,
you treat them the same way.

In XP it's difficult to tell , unless looking at the address whether
the address is on the net, or a local folder and just as easy to move.
But as has also been mentioned, they never bother to tell the user
that.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com

--Mike K.

Oscar loves trash, but hates Spam! Delete him to reply to me.

I've used drag-n-drop for some pretty weird things. Didi you know that when a
digital camera is hooked up via USB, and appears as a "removable device" on
your desktop, that you can drag and drop any kind of file into your camera's
memory card? Nice emergency backup trick. --Mike K.

Now *that* is totally bizarre! But a very logical
extension of the desktop metaphor.

Jim, K7JEB

The problem that BAMA has with Internet Explorer is that it doesn't
return accurate and informative error messages. Where Mozilla and
Opera will tell you that the maximum number of connections have been
made to the ftp site and to try again later, IE just says "The page
cannot be displayed" and then gives you some very misleading
information, "The page you are looking for is currently unavailable.
The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may
need to adjust your browser settings." There are no difficulties with
the web site and there's nothing wrong with your browser settings.
It's just that there are 10 users connected to BAMA, that's all that's
allowed, and you are number 11!

While the methods described here all work, including "drag and drop,"
there are occasionally other problems that seem to plague IE users
that Opera and Mozilla (Netscape) users don't complain about.

While BAMA started out on my office PC, it is now on a much larger and
much faster box. Four Pentium-4 Xeon Processors at 2.4 GHz under one
Gigabyte of RAM and 100+ Gigs of hardware RAID - vs. the older 400 MHz
Pentium II with 128 megs. So that we don't lose anything again, (once
is enough!) BAMA is backed up nightly on a 4-terabyte capacity robotic
tapeloader on site as well as the backups that I keep locally.
Currently, BAMA takes up almost 7GB of storage space containing 25,946
files in 2,515 folders...and still growing! So, suitable mirror sites
are probably few and far between.

Ken K4XL - Replace "invalid" with "net" to reply.
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