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That's exactly what I wanted to do - humor people. Then the " 'tard boy"
parrot attacked...... "Bob" wrote in message . .. I does not appear he has any problem, lots of crazy bidding happens on ebay. Often times an item will sell for more than it can be had for new. I doubt if anyone has a 'problem' with this, but that does not exclude the inevitability others may find it quite amusing... Recently a Uniden apco25 scanner sold for $710 plus s&h, yet they're readily available for $549 new with warranty. I'm sure many people found that hilarious... (maybe your humor routines are offline... :) Happy New Year to all! B. dxAce wrote: W4UDX wrote: Check out this insane bidding! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...keTra ck=true http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5740462346&fromMakeTra ck=true Why do you worry about how others decide to spend THEIR money? Problems? dxAce Michigan USA |
Look at that $80$ gift certificate sold for $152.50 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6732187071 Tony, I0JX It is actually a pyramid scheme set-up. -- Rich Carlson, N9JIG rich#n9jig*com Change the # to @ and the * to . |
Look at that $80$ gift certificate sold for $152.50 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6732187071 Tony, I0JX It is actually a pyramid scheme set-up. -- Rich Carlson, N9JIG rich#n9jig*com Change the # to @ and the * to . |
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says... Check out this insane bidding! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...keTra ck=true ?? That doesn't look like 'madness' to me. The SB104 is indeed a pretty decent radio. If I needed one, I would be bidding on that one myself (though I will say that the current price is fairly close to the upper limit of what I'd consider 'reasonable' for that radio). Keep the peace(es). -- Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute. (Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR, kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" |
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee wrote:
In article , says... Check out this insane bidding! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...keTra ck=true ?? That doesn't look like 'madness' to me. The SB104 is indeed a pretty decent radio. Well, that's being pretty generous! It is insensitive, full of beeping birdies (from the frequency counter), has a transmitter that is prone to spurious oscillations, and drifts like a Swan... The transmitter's modulation "quacks" out of the radio's speaker, but the transmitted audio is quite pleasant to listen to. All in all, you would be better off with most any other radio. -Chuck Harris |
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee wrote:
In article , says... Check out this insane bidding! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...keTra ck=true ?? That doesn't look like 'madness' to me. The SB104 is indeed a pretty decent radio. Well, that's being pretty generous! It is insensitive, full of beeping birdies (from the frequency counter), has a transmitter that is prone to spurious oscillations, and drifts like a Swan... The transmitter's modulation "quacks" out of the radio's speaker, but the transmitted audio is quite pleasant to listen to. All in all, you would be better off with most any other radio. -Chuck Harris |
"Bill M" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message ... Eighty-four dollars ($84) doesn't really seem all that insane to me... What do you run, a tin can with string? Something has changed on eBay. Earlier today, it showed several thousands of dollars. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hehe...looks like K7HBC pulled his $10,000.00 bid. See bottom of the page. He apparently meant $100.00 and the gbp333(9) guy was bidding up against that max. I wonder if gbp333(9) feels stoopid or happy (or both) right about now? -Bill That auction was very interesting, as I had never watched a bid retraction in the bid history before. True, the bidding was up over $1000, and k7hbc was still top bidder. Once he retracted his bid, the auction toppled down to gbp333's last bid over somebody else, at a bit over $100. Interestingly, the history of the bidding between those events just disappears from eBay! I don't have much sympathy for either bidder. k7hbc took over 3 days to figure out he "made a mistake" and retract his bid. He's damn lucky the seller is letting him, since eBay TOS says a retraction based on a mistake must be done quite rapidly. At minimum, he owes the seller a public apology for creating a situation where many thought this was a fraudulent auction. I think that if it takes you three days to figure out that you bid $10,000 instead of $100, you shouldn't be allowed to turn on a transmitter. The other bidder may get his radio, since everyone now knows he was once willing to go to $1000 for it! Why bother to bid against him, unless you really, really HAVE to have it. Who knows? But one interesting thing is that gpb333 has been on eBay for about 20 months, but he hasn't bothered to reciprocate feedback for almost 18 months. Those kind of guys **** me off. Ed wb6wsn |
"Bill M" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message ... Eighty-four dollars ($84) doesn't really seem all that insane to me... What do you run, a tin can with string? Something has changed on eBay. Earlier today, it showed several thousands of dollars. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hehe...looks like K7HBC pulled his $10,000.00 bid. See bottom of the page. He apparently meant $100.00 and the gbp333(9) guy was bidding up against that max. I wonder if gbp333(9) feels stoopid or happy (or both) right about now? -Bill That auction was very interesting, as I had never watched a bid retraction in the bid history before. True, the bidding was up over $1000, and k7hbc was still top bidder. Once he retracted his bid, the auction toppled down to gbp333's last bid over somebody else, at a bit over $100. Interestingly, the history of the bidding between those events just disappears from eBay! I don't have much sympathy for either bidder. k7hbc took over 3 days to figure out he "made a mistake" and retract his bid. He's damn lucky the seller is letting him, since eBay TOS says a retraction based on a mistake must be done quite rapidly. At minimum, he owes the seller a public apology for creating a situation where many thought this was a fraudulent auction. I think that if it takes you three days to figure out that you bid $10,000 instead of $100, you shouldn't be allowed to turn on a transmitter. The other bidder may get his radio, since everyone now knows he was once willing to go to $1000 for it! Why bother to bid against him, unless you really, really HAVE to have it. Who knows? But one interesting thing is that gpb333 has been on eBay for about 20 months, but he hasn't bothered to reciprocate feedback for almost 18 months. Those kind of guys **** me off. Ed wb6wsn |
Ed Price wrote:
really, really HAVE to have it. Who knows? But one interesting thing is that gpb333 has been on eBay for about 20 months, but he hasn't bothered to reciprocate feedback for almost 18 months. Those kind of guys **** me off. I haven't decided which is worse, guys that don't give feedback, or sellers that wait to see what you give them before they give you feedback. I recently bought an item, and the seller took 3 weeks to ship my item. He came up with a cockeyed story about how paypal didn't notify him that I had paid. (I paid the morning after the sale) The item was described as complete, but it arrived poorly packed, and missing a major component. 1 day short of a month from the end of auction until the item was in my hand. The seller echoed my feedback, so I got what I gave him.... Yet as a buyer, I did everything in a most proper way. Now my feedback says I am a late shipper, even though I was a buyer! The feedback system is seriously flawed. Each party shouldn't be able to tell what the other party writes about them until everything is totally done. -Chuck Harris |
Ed Price wrote:
really, really HAVE to have it. Who knows? But one interesting thing is that gpb333 has been on eBay for about 20 months, but he hasn't bothered to reciprocate feedback for almost 18 months. Those kind of guys **** me off. I haven't decided which is worse, guys that don't give feedback, or sellers that wait to see what you give them before they give you feedback. I recently bought an item, and the seller took 3 weeks to ship my item. He came up with a cockeyed story about how paypal didn't notify him that I had paid. (I paid the morning after the sale) The item was described as complete, but it arrived poorly packed, and missing a major component. 1 day short of a month from the end of auction until the item was in my hand. The seller echoed my feedback, so I got what I gave him.... Yet as a buyer, I did everything in a most proper way. Now my feedback says I am a late shipper, even though I was a buyer! The feedback system is seriously flawed. Each party shouldn't be able to tell what the other party writes about them until everything is totally done. -Chuck Harris |
"Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... Ed Price wrote: really, really HAVE to have it. Who knows? But one interesting thing is that gpb333 has been on eBay for about 20 months, but he hasn't bothered to reciprocate feedback for almost 18 months. Those kind of guys **** me off. I haven't decided which is worse, guys that don't give feedback, or sellers that wait to see what you give them before they give you feedback. I recently bought an item, and the seller took 3 weeks to ship my item. He came up with a cockeyed story about how paypal didn't notify him that I had paid. (I paid the morning after the sale) The item was described as complete, but it arrived poorly packed, and missing a major component. 1 day short of a month from the end of auction until the item was in my hand. The seller echoed my feedback, so I got what I gave him.... Yet as a buyer, I did everything in a most proper way. Now my feedback says I am a late shipper, even though I was a buyer! The feedback system is seriously flawed. Each party shouldn't be able to tell what the other party writes about them until everything is totally done. Well, maybe, but nobody says you have to take it at face value. I usually dig through a few previous auctions of the seller to see if any interesting patterns emerge. If I see any notable negatives I look at the buyer who left them and then look at his record. Patterns of feedback abuse are often easy to detect. Too, just because feedback is negative doesn't mean its truthful. And of course, sometimes you just plain lose. But on the average, ebay treats my OK. Had a good one just today. I bought a piece of electronic equipment (B&W distortion analyzer) from a guy who ran an antique shop. The BIN price was $15, and in the photos the thing looked flawless. I took the BIN. Sent in payment via Paypal immediately. 10 days and 3 emails later, no communication from the seller. I send the 4th e-mail, and 15 minutes later the thing shows up, beautifully packaged. I open it up and the thing is absolutely flawless, perfect cosmetics, working and in calibration. STILL haven't received any communication from the seller, not that it matters at this point. What feedback do you give? A perfect product and a perfect transaction with absolutely NO communication...I can't say that shipment was speedy, although I can't say that it was slow. It's not the way I prefer to do business, but it worked and I got more than I had hoped for. Sometimes it's best just to cool it. Go into an auction understanding that little things WILL be wrong. Bid accordingly. Ask lots of questions and judge the seller by his responses. A great one I have started to see is "Positive" feedback with negative written comments! Having so many buyers and sellers with 100% positive feedback reminds me of Garrison Keillor's line; "where all the children are above average." |
"Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... Ed Price wrote: really, really HAVE to have it. Who knows? But one interesting thing is that gpb333 has been on eBay for about 20 months, but he hasn't bothered to reciprocate feedback for almost 18 months. Those kind of guys **** me off. I haven't decided which is worse, guys that don't give feedback, or sellers that wait to see what you give them before they give you feedback. I recently bought an item, and the seller took 3 weeks to ship my item. He came up with a cockeyed story about how paypal didn't notify him that I had paid. (I paid the morning after the sale) The item was described as complete, but it arrived poorly packed, and missing a major component. 1 day short of a month from the end of auction until the item was in my hand. The seller echoed my feedback, so I got what I gave him.... Yet as a buyer, I did everything in a most proper way. Now my feedback says I am a late shipper, even though I was a buyer! The feedback system is seriously flawed. Each party shouldn't be able to tell what the other party writes about them until everything is totally done. Well, maybe, but nobody says you have to take it at face value. I usually dig through a few previous auctions of the seller to see if any interesting patterns emerge. If I see any notable negatives I look at the buyer who left them and then look at his record. Patterns of feedback abuse are often easy to detect. Too, just because feedback is negative doesn't mean its truthful. And of course, sometimes you just plain lose. But on the average, ebay treats my OK. Had a good one just today. I bought a piece of electronic equipment (B&W distortion analyzer) from a guy who ran an antique shop. The BIN price was $15, and in the photos the thing looked flawless. I took the BIN. Sent in payment via Paypal immediately. 10 days and 3 emails later, no communication from the seller. I send the 4th e-mail, and 15 minutes later the thing shows up, beautifully packaged. I open it up and the thing is absolutely flawless, perfect cosmetics, working and in calibration. STILL haven't received any communication from the seller, not that it matters at this point. What feedback do you give? A perfect product and a perfect transaction with absolutely NO communication...I can't say that shipment was speedy, although I can't say that it was slow. It's not the way I prefer to do business, but it worked and I got more than I had hoped for. Sometimes it's best just to cool it. Go into an auction understanding that little things WILL be wrong. Bid accordingly. Ask lots of questions and judge the seller by his responses. A great one I have started to see is "Positive" feedback with negative written comments! Having so many buyers and sellers with 100% positive feedback reminds me of Garrison Keillor's line; "where all the children are above average." |
BFoelsch wrote:
Sometimes it's best just to cool it. Go into an auction understanding that little things WILL be wrong. Bid accordingly. Ask lots of questions and judge the seller by his responses. A great one I have started to see is "Positive" feedback with negative written comments! These "positives" come about out of fear that the seller will trash the buyer if he gives him a negative feedback. In my case, I gave the seller a positive that said it took 3 weeks to ship. So I now have the same feedback sitting in my list... yet I was the buyer, and paid the morning after the sale. EBay should keep the feedback blind until both parties have submitted their feedback. Each party should be forced to submit feedback. As it now stands, if you say anything worse than a "Highly recommend!!! AAAAAAAA++++++++", you will get trashed by the seller, and you will have no recourse. Having so many buyers and sellers with 100% positive feedback reminds me of Garrison Keillor's line; "where all the children are above average." Indeed! -Chuck |
BFoelsch wrote:
Sometimes it's best just to cool it. Go into an auction understanding that little things WILL be wrong. Bid accordingly. Ask lots of questions and judge the seller by his responses. A great one I have started to see is "Positive" feedback with negative written comments! These "positives" come about out of fear that the seller will trash the buyer if he gives him a negative feedback. In my case, I gave the seller a positive that said it took 3 weeks to ship. So I now have the same feedback sitting in my list... yet I was the buyer, and paid the morning after the sale. EBay should keep the feedback blind until both parties have submitted their feedback. Each party should be forced to submit feedback. As it now stands, if you say anything worse than a "Highly recommend!!! AAAAAAAA++++++++", you will get trashed by the seller, and you will have no recourse. Having so many buyers and sellers with 100% positive feedback reminds me of Garrison Keillor's line; "where all the children are above average." Indeed! -Chuck |
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In article , (Scott Dorsey)
writes: In article , dxAce wrote: W4UDX wrote: Check out this insane bidding! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...46&fromMakeTra ck=true $645 for an SB-104A? That's high, but not insane. Why do you worry about how others decide to spend THEIR money? Problems? Because it raises price standards for everyone else. That's a side effect of a free market. Would you rather there were price controls? Next time you go to buy an item at a hamfest, the guy selling it will say, "well, I hear one of these went for a million dollars on Ebay..." I've heard that many times. My standard answers a "This isn't eBay, it's a hamfest" and "Then sell it on eBay" Inexperienced bidders who don't know what things are worth, and bidding wars between people who desperately have to have an item, tend to raise the overall market value of an item more than it should be. Whoa there!? "More than it should be"? Who gets to say what some piece of old radio gear is worth, other than the buyer and seller? eBay is just a great big worldwide online hamfest that goes on 24/7. Of course it's going to raise prices - just like prices at Dayton, Rochester, Deerfield and Gaithersburg are/were higher (on average) than at some small local hamfest. The higher prices are bad for buyers, of course, but they're wonderful for sellers. More important, higher prices tend to keep things out of the landfill. I recall when ARC-5s were a few bucks each at most - and also when a lot of them were dumpstered because the owner had gotten tired of carting them to hamfests trying to sell them. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
N2EY wrote:
In article , (Scott Dorsey) writes: Why do you worry about how others decide to spend THEIR money? Problems? Because it raises price standards for everyone else. That's a side effect of a free market. Would you rather there were price controls? No, in this case it's the result of two different markets that don't really communicate well. Ebay has provided a market for buyers and sellers to get together more conveniently, which is a good thing. But it has also provided a way for people who don't know what they are buying to get into the act. This results in things like current production items selling for higher than list price on Ebay. This is a surprisingly common occurrence, and I have sold a few items like that myself, sadly enough. But when you have folks who don't know what the current value of an item is getting into the act, the value is going to change. And it will change even though the actual supply and demand don't change at all. Inexperienced bidders who don't know what things are worth, and bidding wars between people who desperately have to have an item, tend to raise the overall market value of an item more than it should be. Whoa there!? "More than it should be"? Who gets to say what some piece of old radio gear is worth, other than the buyer and seller? eBay is just a great big worldwide online hamfest that goes on 24/7. Of course it's going to raise prices - just like prices at Dayton, Rochester, Deerfield and Gaithersburg are/were higher (on average) than at some small local hamfest. No, in some cases, eBay reduces prices, when people out there realize how many copies of a "rare" item there really are. In the case of items that really _are_ one of a kind, there is nobody who gets to say what something is worth other than the buyer and the seller. But in the case of a readily available item, especially a current production item, there's a fair market value. The higher prices are bad for buyers, of course, but they're wonderful for sellers. More important, higher prices tend to keep things out of the landfill. I recall when ARC-5s were a few bucks each at most - and also when a lot of them were dumpstered because the owner had gotten tired of carting them to hamfests trying to sell them. This is a good thing for the most part... the ARC-5 example is a weird one, though, because some of those sets are worth a fortune while others still are worth only a few bucks. This means if you're buying one, you really need to know what you are buying so you don't overbid or underbid outrageously. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
Scott Dorsey wrote: N2EY wrote: In article , (Scott Dorsey) writes: Why do you worry about how others decide to spend THEIR money? Problems? Because it raises price standards for everyone else. That's a side effect of a free market. Would you rather there were price controls? No, in this case it's the result of two different markets that don't really communicate well. Ebay has provided a market for buyers and sellers to get together more conveniently, which is a good thing. Agreed! But because it allows a seller to (potentially) reach a much larger number of buyers, there is upward pressure on prices. OTOH, because buyers have access to more sellers, there is also downward pressure on prices. So far, the upward pressure has outweighed the downward. In other areas the reverse is true. Some years back, a few friends of mine had "rare" Beanie Babies they thought were "worth big bucks". Then came eBay and they discovered how "rare" their collections were(n't). But it has also provided a way for people who don't know what they are buying to get into the act. Isn't that true of *any* market? This results in things like current production items selling for higher than list price on Ebay. This is a surprisingly common occurrence, and I have sold a few items like that myself, sadly enough. But when you have folks who don't know what the current value of an item is getting into the act, the value is going to change. Current production is a completely different situation from stuff that is no longer produced. And it will change even though the actual supply and demand don't change at all. The change is due to an increase of demand. Those who pay $150 on eBay for a new widget that they could buy through a conventional dealer for $100 obviously don't know that the conventional dealers exist. Or if they do know, there is some reason they won't buy from the conventional dealers. It's like the person who will go to a Wawa (local convenience store) and pay more for an item than an Acme (local supermarket) is charging - even though the Acme is across the street and both stores are open! Acme has express lanes so it's not the time factor. Inexperienced bidders who don't know what things are worth, and bidding wars between people who desperately have to have an item, tend to raise the overall market value of an item more than it should be. Whoa there!? "More than it should be"? Who gets to say what some piece of old radio gear is worth, other than the buyer and seller? eBay is just a great big worldwide online hamfest that goes on 24/7. Of course it's going to raise prices - just like prices at Dayton, Rochester, Deerfield and Gaithersburg are/were higher (on average) than at some small local hamfest. No, in some cases, eBay reduces prices, when people out there realize how many copies of a "rare" item there really are. Agreed. The Beanie Babies example shows that. But in the area of old radios and related parts, I'd say that eBay has generally driven prices up. In the case of items that really _are_ one of a kind, there is nobody who gets to say what something is worth other than the buyer and the seller. But in the case of a readily available item, especially a current production item, there's a fair market value. But in general the "madness" is focused on things not in current production, like the $5100 unbuilt Heath AT-1 kit from 1956. Its value is perhaps 1% FMV and 99% rarity. Who determines FMV for a current production item? If it's the manufacturer, how come some car dealers could tack on "ADP" to cars in short supply/high demand? As stated before, current production is a different game than old stuff. The higher prices are bad for buyers, of course, but they're wonderful for sellers. More important, higher prices tend to keep things out of the landfill. I recall when ARC-5s were a few bucks each at most - and also when a lot of them were dumpstered because the owner had gotten tired of carting them to hamfests trying to sell them. This is a good thing for the most part... the ARC-5 example is a weird one, though, because some of those sets are worth a fortune while others still are worth only a few bucks. How much an ARC-5 is "worth" depends entirely on buyer and seller. The situation is complicated by the large number of different models, types, etc., that are nominally called "ARC-5" even though many of them are not. In any event, it's still a matter of classic supply and demand. This means if you're buying one, you really need to know what you are buying so you don't overbid or underbid outrageously. But isn't that true of *any* item not in current production? For example, some years back the 4D32 tube brought very high prices and was considered "rare" to the point that the value of certain BAs was depressed because they used that tube. Then a bunch of NOS surplus 4D32s showed up on the market. Apparently they'd been used in some military system or other and a considerable number had been warehoused for decades until that system was no longer in operation. 4D32 prices dropped quite a bit. Interesting thing about the $645 SB-104A is that it started at $25... -- I think the real difference of eBay is the auction aspect. At a hamfest there's typically some hoss-trading, unless the seller makes it clear that it's "price as marked". Sometimes two or three buyers will compete for a hamfest item, but usually the reality is that the quickest draw with the wallet usually wins. What's so odd, to me, is the inverted nature of the buyer behavior. At a hamfest, you often have to make a snap decision based on only the info you have right now. At most, you may have a few hours to think it over and perhaps haggle. (How many times have you put down an item, walked away, thought it over, came back and it was sold?) But most eBay auctions go on for a week! Plenty of time to check out other sellers, including the conventional ones. Plenty of time to think it over and not be driven by the impulse of the moment. My classic eBay bidding technique is to look long and hard at an item, think it over, and then bid my maximum price - once, by proxy. If I win, fine, if not, then it wasn't meant to be. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
My classic eBay bidding technique is to look long and hard at an item,
think it over, and then bid my maximum price - once, by proxy. If I win, fine, if not, then it wasn't meant to be.=20 Just one comment. Bidding once is a good technique, provided that you = only place your bid 20 seconds from auction end. As a matter of fact bidding hours or, worse, days before auction end = will give others time to place successive bids in small increments, = until they surpass you by just 1$. 73 Tony, I0JX |
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:18:43 UTC, "Antonio I0JX"
wrote: My classic eBay bidding technique is to look long and hard at an item, think it over, and then bid my maximum price - once, by proxy. If I win, fine, if not, then it wasn't meant to be. Just one comment. Bidding once is a good technique, provided that you only place your bid 20 seconds from auction end. As a matter of fact bidding hours or, worse, days before auction end will give others time to place successive bids in small increments, until they surpass you by just 1$. Nope, doesn't work that way. I play it the way Antonio does. I bid my max or there-abouts, right at the beginning. I've seen folk inching up their bids but unless they are willing to go to *my* max, they don't win the item. If they do win it, hey, congratulations. I'll try again next time. Look at the SB-104A that just went on the Bay. The proxy was $1,000. A few bottom feeders inched it up 100, 200, 210, 215, but they dropped out because they didn't want it enough. Finally the serious buyers took it to $645. Sometimes I sorta want an item and set my proxy bid, kinda high, at the beginning. Folk will inch up, others will try the last minute bid but how does anyone know what my proxy is? Bid too high at the last minute and you might find yourself winning the item at a higher price than you would have paid if you had days or weeks to think about it. I *never* pay too much because I have the time to think it through, set my proxy, and walk away. Many times I've been pleased to find that no one has been willing to bid at the last minute. Take a look at http:groups.yahoo.com/group/RadioInvestor There's a picture of a very nice Collins 75S-1 and discussion of the investing in boatanchors. (fixing them up too.) |
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On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:01:36 -0500, "Dee Flint"
wrote: Like several others, I generally set my max bid once and only once. If they inch it up and beat me by a dollar, that's a dollar more than I was willing to spend in the first place. Aw come on, sniping is so much fun:-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:29:10 UTC, Roger
wrote: On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:01:36 -0500, "Dee Flint" wrote: Like several others, I generally set my max bid once and only once. If they inch it up and beat me by a dollar, that's a dollar more than I was willing to spend in the first place. Aw come on, sniping is so much fun:-)) Only when going against bidders who don't know the product, prices, or how to use a proxy. What snipers don't realize is the bidders like Dee and myself aren't interested in playing the, "well, if they bid $19.00, I'll look in my coffee can for some change and bid $20.00" We have "our" price. If you want it more than we do, you're welcome to it. -- |
Like several others, I generally set my max bid once and only once. =
If they=20 inch it up and beat me by a dollar, that's a dollar more than I was = willing=20 to spend in the first place. You exactly know what you want, lucky man! Instead, I am always uncertain and, if they beat me by just one dollar, = I would regret not having bid 2 $ more. 73 Tony, I0JX |
"Antonio I0JX" wrote in message ... Like several others, I generally set my max bid once and only once. If they inch it up and beat me by a dollar, that's a dollar more than I was willing to spend in the first place. You exactly know what you want, lucky man! Instead, I am always uncertain and, if they beat me by just one dollar, I would regret not having bid 2 $ more. 73 Tony, I0JX Actually I am a lucky lady. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Actually I am a lucky lady.
=20 Dee D. Flint, N8UZE=20 =20 Sorry, I am not too familiar with American names. 73/88 Tony I0JX |
"Antonio I0JX" wrote in message ... Actually I am a lucky lady. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Sorry, I am not too familiar with American names. 73/88 Tony I0JX That's OK. Actually my name does not give you a reliable clue. It can be used by either sex. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Or, like happened to me today. An Item I was bidding on back before
Christmas was won by someone who bid twice what it was worth. Today, I was contacted by the seller telling be the bidder had defaulted on payment and offering it to me. My problem/blessing is that I purchased another one off the ARRL classifieds and I am hoping it shows up and is as nice as the one I missed. 73, Ed-KV5I "Antonio I0JX" wrote in message ... My classic eBay bidding technique is to look long and hard at an item, think it over, and then bid my maximum price - once, by proxy. If I win, fine, if not, then it wasn't meant to be. Just one comment. Bidding once is a good technique, provided that you only place your bid 20 seconds from auction end. As a matter of fact bidding hours or, worse, days before auction end will give others time to place successive bids in small increments, until they surpass you by just 1$. 73 Tony, I0JX |
"Ed" none@this-time wrote in message ... Or, like happened to me today. An Item I was bidding on back before Christmas was won by someone who bid twice what it was worth. Today, I was contacted by the seller telling be the bidder had defaulted on payment and offering it to me. My problem/blessing is that I purchased another one off the ARRL classifieds and I am hoping it shows up and is as nice as the one I missed. 73, Ed-KV5I "Antonio I0JX" wrote in message ... My classic eBay bidding technique is to look long and hard at an item, think it over, and then bid my maximum price - once, by proxy. If I win, fine, if not, then it wasn't meant to be. Just one comment. Bidding once is a good technique, provided that you only place your bid 20 seconds from auction end. As a matter of fact bidding hours or, worse, days before auction end will give others time to place successive bids in small increments, until they surpass you by just 1$. And how is that a successful strategy for THEM? Doesn't somebody else then just bid a minimum increment over them, and now they aren't the winner either? So then they have to go back and bid up again, till they are the high bidder once again. This technique may harass bidders and inflate the auction price, but it's not a way to win. The winner, despite having an unknown high bid, ALWAYS wins by just the minimum increment. Ed wb6wsn |
Ed Price wrote: As a matter of fact bidding hours or, worse, days before auction end will give others time to place successive bids in small increments, until they surpass you by just 1$.... This technique may harass bidders and inflate the auction price, but it's not a way to win. The winner, despite having an unknown high bid, ALWAYS wins by just the minimum increment. The snipe strategy is just the opposite, Ed; snipe bidding at the last minute substantially reduces final prices. In a non-snipe environment, two bidders might proceed thus: #1 thinks: "My absolute maximum for this is $50 and bids accordingly. It is 3 days until auction close. #2 decides $60 is his highest offer, and he bids. It is 2 days until auction close. #1 sees he is outbid at $51. He says "Oh, well." But that is not the nature of humans. He frets. He figgits. He finally convinces himself: "I really want this. If it's worth $50, it's worth $70." He bids $70 and becomes high bidder at $61. It is 1 day to auction close. #2 now does exactly the same thing #1 did, and is now the high bidder at $71. In the last few hours, this cycle repeats until #2 actually reaches his (heretofore unconscious) limit of $95, and #1 wins the auction at $96. In a Sniped auction, #1 says "My limit is $50" and puts in his snipe accordingly. #2 says his is $60 and puts in his snipe. The auction closes with #2 the winner at $61. Therefore, sniping actually brings prices down overall. The wise sniper will use the long time before auction close to think hard about just how much he wants an item, instead of entering his first impulse six days before auction end. Kindly, David S. p.s. There is one reason for entering an early bid: I sometimes enter a low bid just to put my name on the list and let my friends know I'm really interested in that item. This gives us a chance to negotiate about which of us is going to actually try to win the item. The other person can drop out of the race. If you decide to use this idea, you and your friends need to exchange emails about your Ebay user IDs; don't expect your best friend to know "GoobaWappa6" is you, unless you tell him. |
Sometimes I sorta want an item and set my proxy bid, kinda high, at
the beginning. Folk will inch up, others will try the last minute bid but how does anyone know what my proxy is? Yep. A few years ago, I put my maximum proxy bid on a Racal receiver. Nobody beat my bid after a week. The seller told me he figured my high initial bid scared others away. At least they didn't come around for the last-minute feeding frenzy. Nice radio, too. I plead seniority on the model number (6217?), but it's the transistor Wadley-Loop model with the odometer style freq readouts and purely analog tuning, and only a couple inches high in rack-mount. Sits under my RA-17C. 73, Mike K. Oscar loves trash, but hates Spam! Delete him to reply to me. |
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