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Clegg Question
I recently ran across a Clegg 22er am/fm. A web search turned up the
original Clegg 22er (AM only), the 22er II (?) --presumably also AM only and a Clegg 22 FM. None of these seem to do both AM and FM. However, the one I have is marked "am/fm" and the front panel controls seem to indicate it is capable of either. Is this somewhat scarce? Maybe a prototype? Any Clegg collectors out there that might be interested (or are they-the collectors, that is- pretty scarce?) 73, Carter K8VT |
Clegg Question
Carter, K8VT wrote:
I recently ran across a Clegg 22er am/fm. A web search turned up the original Clegg 22er (AM only), the 22er II (?) --presumably also AM only and a Clegg 22 FM. None of these seem to do both AM and FM. However, the one I have is marked "am/fm" and the front panel controls seem to indicate it is capable of either. Is this somewhat scarce? Maybe a prototype? Any Clegg collectors out there that might be interested (or are they-the collectors, that is- pretty scarce?) 73, Carter K8VT Carter, Towards the end of AM era, many VHF transceivers were converted to _transmit_ FM using varacter diodes. It worked surprisingly well, but required "slope detection" of the received signals, i.e., using an AM receiver to tune the FM signal onto the skirts of the IF filters, thus converting FM directly to AM. If your unit is a prototype, the receiver will probably have both product and ratio detectors, i.e., it will be a "true" FM receiver. If there's no FM receiver, I'd guess it's a homebrew conversion. FWIW. William -- William Warren (Filter noise from my address for direct replies) |
Clegg Question
William Warren wrote:
Carter, K8VT wrote: I recently ran across a Clegg 22er am/fm. A web search turned up the original Clegg 22er (AM only), the 22er II (?) --presumably also AM only and a Clegg 22 FM. None of these seem to do both AM and FM. However, the one I have is marked "am/fm" and the front panel controls seem to indicate it is capable of either. Is this somewhat scarce? Maybe a prototype? Any Clegg collectors out there that might be interested (or are they-the collectors, that is- pretty scarce?) 73, Carter K8VT Carter, Towards the end of AM era, many VHF transceivers were converted to _transmit_ FM using varacter diodes. It worked surprisingly well, but required "slope detection" of the received signals, i.e., using an AM receiver to tune the FM signal onto the skirts of the IF filters, thus converting FM directly to AM. If your unit is a prototype, the receiver will probably have both product and ratio detectors, i.e., it will be a "true" FM receiver. If there's no FM receiver, I'd guess it's a homebrew conversion. FWIW. William William, Thanks for the thoughts... BTW, one thing I should have mentioned is that the factory silk screening right on the front panel says "Clegg 22'er AM/FM" so it seems unlikely that it is homebrew... and a web search has, so far, not turned up anything with that name/labeling. |
Clegg Question
"Carter, K8VT" wrote in message . com... William Warren wrote: Carter, K8VT wrote: I recently ran across a Clegg 22er am/fm. A web search turned up the original Clegg 22er (AM only), the 22er II (?) --presumably also AM only and a Clegg 22 FM. None of these seem to do both AM and FM. However, the one I have is marked "am/fm" and the front panel controls seem to indicate it is capable of either. Is this somewhat scarce? Maybe a prototype? Any Clegg collectors out there that might be interested (or are they-the collectors, that is- pretty scarce?) 73, Carter K8VT Carter, Towards the end of AM era, many VHF transceivers were converted to _transmit_ FM using varacter diodes. It worked surprisingly well, but required "slope detection" of the received signals, i.e., using an AM receiver to tune the FM signal onto the skirts of the IF filters, thus converting FM directly to AM. If your unit is a prototype, the receiver will probably have both product and ratio detectors, i.e., it will be a "true" FM receiver. If there's no FM receiver, I'd guess it's a homebrew conversion. FWIW. William William, Thanks for the thoughts... BTW, one thing I should have mentioned is that the factory silk screening right on the front panel says "Clegg 22'er AM/FM" so it seems unlikely that it is homebrew... and a web search has, so far, not turned up anything with that name/labeling. I thought I knew Clegg/ Squires Sanders fairly well- but that is a new one to me. Never have seen it even mentioned. Do you have a manual? Dale W4OP |
Clegg Question
Dale Parfitt wrote:
"Carter, K8VT" wrote in message . com... William Warren wrote: Carter, K8VT wrote: I recently ran across a Clegg 22er am/fm. A web search turned up the original Clegg 22er (AM only), the 22er II (?) --presumably also AM only and a Clegg 22 FM. None of these seem to do both AM and FM. However, the one I have is marked "am/fm" and the front panel controls seem to indicate it is capable of either. Is this somewhat scarce? Maybe a prototype? Any Clegg collectors out there that might be interested (or are they-the collectors, that is- pretty scarce?) 73, Carter K8VT Carter, Towards the end of AM era, many VHF transceivers were converted to _transmit_ FM using varacter diodes. It worked surprisingly well, but required "slope detection" of the received signals, i.e., using an AM receiver to tune the FM signal onto the skirts of the IF filters, thus converting FM directly to AM. If your unit is a prototype, the receiver will probably have both product and ratio detectors, i.e., it will be a "true" FM receiver. If there's no FM receiver, I'd guess it's a homebrew conversion. FWIW. William William, Thanks for the thoughts... BTW, one thing I should have mentioned is that the factory silk screening right on the front panel says "Clegg 22'er AM/FM" so it seems unlikely that it is homebrew... and a web search has, so far, not turned up anything with that name/labeling. I thought I knew Clegg/ Squires Sanders fairly well- but that is a new one to me. Never have seen it even mentioned. Do you have a manual? Dale W4OP No, I'm sorry to say that I do not have the manual...and that is what prompted this whole quest. When I went to do web research to find a manual, nothing showed up. That's why I almost suspected a prototype or possibly Clegg's last gasp--a rig that just barely got to market before they went under??? Carter K8VT |
Clegg Question
Dale Parfitt wrote:
I thought I knew Clegg/ Squires Sanders fairly well- but that is a new one to me. Never have seen it even mentioned. Do you have a manual? Dale W4OP Sorry, I forgot to ask this in my previous response... Can you refer me to any Clegg web sites? Also, what, if any, was the tie-in between Clegg and Squires Sanders? I always thought of Clegg as V/UHF and SS as HF. Carter K8VT P.S. As you seem knowledgeable about Clegg, would you like me to email you a picture of it? |
Clegg Question
"Carter, K8VT" wrote in message . net... Dale Parfitt wrote: I thought I knew Clegg/ Squires Sanders fairly well- but that is a new one to me. Never have seen it even mentioned. Do you have a manual? Dale W4OP Sorry, I forgot to ask this in my previous response... Can you refer me to any Clegg web sites? Also, what, if any, was the tie-in between Clegg and Squires Sanders? I always thought of Clegg as V/UHF and SS as HF. Carter K8VT P.S. As you seem knowledgeable about Clegg, would you like me to email you a picture of it? Yes, I would like a picture. I'm on dial up- so be gentle. I think SS bought Clegg in their latter years. Seem to also recall that SS had at least one CB transceiver. Dale |
Clegg Question
Dale Parfitt wrote:
"Carter, K8VT" wrote in message . net... [snip] P.S. As you seem knowledgeable about Clegg, would you like me to email you a picture of it? Yes, I would like a picture. I'm on dial up- so be gentle. I think SS bought Clegg in their latter years. Seem to also recall that SS had at least one CB transceiver. Dale Carter, Please post it to alt.binaries.pictures.radio, and place a link here. TIA. -- William Warren (Filter noise from my address for direct replies) |
Clegg Question
Please post it to alt.binaries.pictures.radio, and place a link here.
YES, please do post it to the binaries NG, I would like to see it too. I have a Clegg 22er FM, I've had several so called experts tell me that there's no such thing, then I pull out a photo of it. I also have a manual for it too. 73, Ron |
Clegg Question
Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
Please post it to alt.binaries.pictures.radio, and place a link here. YES, please do post it to the binaries NG, I would like to see it too. I have a Clegg 22er FM, I've had several so called experts tell me that there's no such thing, then I pull out a photo of it. I also have a manual for it too. 73, Ron OK...It looks like I have posted three JPGs (~35-50 kB each) to alt.binaries.pictures.radio, called Clegg-1, -2 and -3. First attempt at that...hope I did it right. BTW, is Ed (?) Clegg or any of the other principles of the company still around? 73, Carter K8VT |
Clegg Question
Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
Please post it to alt.binaries.pictures.radio, and place a link here. YES, please do post it to the binaries NG, I would like to see it too. I have a Clegg 22er FM, I've had several so called experts tell me that there's no such thing, then I pull out a photo of it. I also have a manual for it too. 73, Ron Ron, Did the 22'er FM have an FM receiver, or was it only an FM transmitter with an AM (slope detection) receiver? William -- William Warren (Filter noise from my address for direct replies) |
Clegg Question
Carter, K8VT wrote:
Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: Please post it to alt.binaries.pictures.radio, and place a link here. YES, please do post it to the binaries NG, I would like to see it too. I have a Clegg 22er FM, I've had several so called experts tell me that there's no such thing, then I pull out a photo of it. I also have a manual for it too. 73, Ron OK...It looks like I have posted three JPGs (~35-50 kB each) to alt.binaries.pictures.radio, called Clegg-1, -2 and -3. First attempt at that...hope I did it right. [snip] Clegg-1 and -3 made it through, but Clegg-2 is blank. Please repost. William -- William Warren (Filter noise from my address for direct replies) |
Clegg Question
William Warren wrote:
Clegg-1 and -3 made it through, but Clegg-2 is blank. Please repost. I checked after I posted last night and again this morning (3/12), and all three were there both times, so not sure what a re-post would do. Maybe try again??? (Clegg-2 is of the back of the radio). |
Clegg Question
"William Warren" wrote in message ... Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: Please post it to alt.binaries.pictures.radio, and place a link here. YES, please do post it to the binaries NG, I would like to see it too. I have a Clegg 22er FM, I've had several so called experts tell me that there's no such thing, then I pull out a photo of it. I also have a manual for it too. 73, Ron Ron, Did the 22'er FM have an FM receiver, or was it only an FM transmitter with an AM (slope detection) receiver? William The squelch control makes me think it had limiters and FM. Pete -- William Warren (Filter noise from my address for direct replies) |
Clegg Question
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:42:53 GMT, "Carter, K8VT"
wrote: Dale Parfitt wrote: "Carter, K8VT" wrote in message . com... William Warren wrote: Carter, K8VT wrote: I recently ran across a Clegg 22er am/fm. A web search turned up the original Clegg 22er (AM only), the 22er II (?) --presumably also AM only and a Clegg 22 FM. None of these seem to do both AM and FM. However, the one I have is marked "am/fm" and the front panel controls seem to indicate it is capable of either. Is this somewhat scarce? Maybe a prototype? Any Clegg collectors out there that might be interested (or are they-the collectors, that is- pretty scarce?) 73, Carter K8VT Carter, Towards the end of AM era, many VHF transceivers were converted to _transmit_ FM using varacter diodes. It worked surprisingly well, but required "slope detection" of the received signals, i.e., using an AM receiver to tune the FM signal onto the skirts of the IF filters, thus converting FM directly to AM. If your unit is a prototype, the receiver will probably have both product and ratio detectors, i.e., it will be a "true" FM receiver. If there's no FM receiver, I'd guess it's a homebrew conversion. FWIW. William William, Thanks for the thoughts... BTW, one thing I should have mentioned is that the factory silk screening right on the front panel says "Clegg 22'er AM/FM" so it seems unlikely that it is homebrew... and a web search has, so far, not turned up anything with that name/labeling. I thought I knew Clegg/ Squires Sanders fairly well- but that is a new one to me. Never have seen it even mentioned. Do you have a manual? Dale W4OP No, I'm sorry to say that I do not have the manual...and that is what prompted this whole quest. When I went to do web research to find a manual, nothing showed up. That's why I almost suspected a prototype or possibly Clegg's last gasp--a rig that just barely got to market before they went under??? Carter K8VT Hi Carter, As other posters have mentioned, a lot of the 22'ers went thru various homebrew conversion schemes to FM. Many were done rather professionally so it might be hard to tell if yours is factory original. Clegg had quite a few models after the 22 series. If my memory is right, Squire-Sanders bought Clegg but then the whole operation was sold to some outfit called "ISG (International Signal Group?) and the Squires-Sanders name was discontinued. I think Ed Clegg regained control of the ham product line from ISG and then later came out with the FM-27B, the first "all channel" FM transceiver. The FM-27B wasn't really synthesized but used a crystal mixing scheme. It was known for its terrible intermod performance and spur generation both on transmit and receive. I owned an FM-27B. The local joke about them was that you could key up about 6 repeaters at the same time. Clegg later broughtout his very fine FM-DX 2 meter FM rig but they were high priced arorund $650 for a synthesized single band rig. I don't think many were sold but a friend of mine bought one. Clegg ended its company days by selling repackaged and relabeled Midland VHF rigs such as the FM-28 and acting as a dealer for other equipment. I'm not sure but I think I read Ed Clegg's obituary in QST about 10 years ago. 73, Doug/WA1TUT |
Clegg Question
Doug wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:42:53 GMT, "Carter, K8VT" wrote: Dale Parfitt wrote: "Carter, K8VT" wrote in message . com... William Warren wrote: Carter, K8VT wrote: I recently ran across a Clegg 22er am/fm. A web search turned up the original Clegg 22er (AM only), the 22er II (?) --presumably also AM only and a Clegg 22 FM. None of these seem to do both AM and FM. However, the one I have is marked "am/fm" and the front panel controls seem to indicate it is capable of either. Is this somewhat scarce? Maybe a prototype? Any Clegg collectors out there that might be interested (or are they-the collectors, that is- pretty scarce?) 73, Carter K8VT Carter, Towards the end of AM era, many VHF transceivers were converted to _transmit_ FM using varacter diodes. It worked surprisingly well, but required "slope detection" of the received signals, i.e., using an AM receiver to tune the FM signal onto the skirts of the IF filters, thus converting FM directly to AM. If your unit is a prototype, the receiver will probably have both product and ratio detectors, i.e., it will be a "true" FM receiver. If there's no FM receiver, I'd guess it's a homebrew conversion. FWIW. William William, Thanks for the thoughts... BTW, one thing I should have mentioned is that the factory silk screening right on the front panel says "Clegg 22'er AM/FM" so it seems unlikely that it is homebrew... and a web search has, so far, not turned up anything with that name/labeling. I thought I knew Clegg/ Squires Sanders fairly well- but that is a new one to me. Never have seen it even mentioned. Do you have a manual? Dale W4OP No, I'm sorry to say that I do not have the manual...and that is what prompted this whole quest. When I went to do web research to find a manual, nothing showed up. That's why I almost suspected a prototype or possibly Clegg's last gasp--a rig that just barely got to market before they went under??? Carter K8VT Hi Carter, As other posters have mentioned, a lot of the 22'ers went thru various homebrew conversion schemes to FM. Many were done rather professionally so it might be hard to tell if yours is factory original. Clegg had quite a few models after the 22 series. If my memory is right, Squire-Sanders bought Clegg but then the whole operation was sold to some outfit called "ISG (International Signal Group?) and the Squires-Sanders name was discontinued. I think Ed Clegg regained control of the ham product line from ISG and then later came out with the FM-27B, the first "all channel" FM transceiver. The FM-27B wasn't really synthesized but used a crystal mixing scheme. It was known for its terrible intermod performance and spur generation both on transmit and receive. I owned an FM-27B. The local joke about them was that you could key up about 6 repeaters at the same time. Clegg later broughtout his very fine FM-DX 2 meter FM rig but they were high priced arorund $650 for a synthesized single band rig. I don't think many were sold but a friend of mine bought one. Clegg ended its company days by selling repackaged and relabeled Midland VHF rigs such as the FM-28 and acting as a dealer for other equipment. I'm not sure but I think I read Ed Clegg's obituary in QST about 10 years ago. 73, Doug/WA1TUT Doug, Thanks for the interesting info! Some of the things I thought were mods (and that I unfortunately did not get in the picture) led me to believe they were mods until I looked more closely. For example, there were 2 female RCA jacks on the side of the radio, one on the bottom half of the case and one on the top half, connected by a 1 " long RCA jumper, for the speaker in the top half of the case. When I looked closely, I could see that the holes and slots in the case halves were die punched, not drilled or filed, and that the edges of the holes and slots were painted, indicating to me it was done in the factory (but as you point out, could have been done by a real "pro" at home). I did a search and found an Ed Clegg, about 80 years old and with a W2 Tech call living in Florida and was going to drop him a note. However, if you saw the obit, I'll save the stamp! :-) BTW, thanks to all who responded! As I just came across this incidentally in my travels and am not a Clegg collector, it looks like I may have to give the e-place a try to see if I can find it a new home. Thanks again to one and all! 73, Carter K8VT |
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