ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

Chuck Harris wrote:

Y'all don't suppose that Bill posted his little rebuttal simply
because the OP politely asked him not to? Something about "stirring
the pot" comes to mind.

-Chuck



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No, Bill posted his little rebuttal because he thinks the OP is an
idiot but hopes he will come to his senses anyway.

Throughout history there have been many irreplaceable treasures lost
because nobody thought future generations would might like to see the
original instead of a replica. A real, genuine B-17 is a priceless
relic of an age that will never be repeated. Save it.

Mr Bill

Bill Turner wrote:
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

Chuck Harris wrote:

Y'all don't suppose that Bill posted his little rebuttal simply
because the OP politely asked him not to? Something about "stirring
the pot" comes to mind.

-Chuck



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

No, Bill posted his little rebuttal because he thinks the OP is an
idiot but hopes he will come to his senses anyway.

Throughout history there have been many irreplaceable treasures lost
because nobody thought future generations would might like to see the
original instead of a replica. A real, genuine B-17 is a priceless
relic of an age that will never be repeated. Save it.

Mr Bill

Well, I am sorry to hear that Bill. You obviously aren't familiar
with the major causes of loss in restorable antique aircraft:

(In approximate order)

1) lack of people willing to pay for restoration
2) hanger fires
3) natural disasters.

I have seen a few rare aircraft that have crashed, and guess what?
As soon as they get the pilot out, they go back into restoration.

There seems to be loads of money available to restore antique aircraft
to flight, but little available for restoration to static display.

And in my opinion, that is exactly how it should be. Whoever pays
the freight gets to decide how the plane is used. Everyone else
is just a spectator.

-Chuck

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

Chuck Harris wrote:

Y'all don't suppose that Bill posted his little rebuttal simply
because the OP politely asked him not to? Something about "stirring
the pot" comes to mind.

-Chuck



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

No, Bill posted his little rebuttal because he thinks the OP is an
idiot but hopes he will come to his senses anyway.

Throughout history there have been many irreplaceable treasures lost
because nobody thought future generations would might like to see the
original instead of a replica. A real, genuine B-17 is a priceless
relic of an age that will never be repeated. Save it.

Mr Bill

If you feel that way you should purchase them and put them in a museum.
Most would not have survived and will not survive without the intent to fly.
Not much money available for the restoration of static displays. Lotsa
money available for flying restorations. Glaicer girl is an excellent
example.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in
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If you feel that way you should purchase them and put them in a museum.
Most would not have survived and will not survive without the intent to
fly. Not much money available for the restoration of static displays.
Lotsa money available for flying restorations. Glaicer girl is an
excellent example.


And the Memphis Belle is an example of a static display going down the tubes.
Still not finished and now moved to Dayton, the US Air Force museum due to
lack of funds to keep the Belle in condition. Those machines were meant to
fly and should be flown. It's really sad to see them rot away on the ground.
In the air they are living history, and give peole a chance to experience the
ground pounding thunder of their mighty engines as they soar overhead. And
very ocaisonally one may get the opportunity to fly in one of them if they
are very lucky as a friend of mine did a few years ago in one of the last
Lancaster bombers left flying.

--
Panzer

"Panzer240" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in
:



If you feel that way you should purchase them and put them in a museum.
Most would not have survived and will not survive without the intent to
fly. Not much money available for the restoration of static displays.
Lotsa money available for flying restorations. Glaicer girl is an
excellent example.


And the Memphis Belle is an example of a static display going down the
tubes.
Still not finished and now moved to Dayton, the US Air Force museum due to
lack of funds to keep the Belle in condition. Those machines were meant to
fly and should be flown. It's really sad to see them rot away on the
ground.
In the air they are living history, and give peole a chance to experience
the
ground pounding thunder of their mighty engines as they soar overhead. And
very ocaisonally one may get the opportunity to fly in one of them if they
are very lucky as a friend of mine did a few years ago in one of the last
Lancaster bombers left flying.

--
Panzer


Another grounded B-17G is parked outside at the Tulare, CA Airport
URL:
http://ben92252-01.tripod.com/index.htm
--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

You can see "Preston's Pride" a B17G at the Tulare, CA Airport if you go to
the Visalia, CA - DX Convention URL:
http://www.dxconvention.org/

The 57th Annual DX Convention - A must for DXers -- April 21, 22 & 23 2006
--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
news:jqmUf.13996$6a1.4829@fed1read04...

Another grounded B-17G is parked outside at the Tulare, CA Airport
URL:
http://ben92252-01.tripod.com/index.htm
--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

Panzer240 wrote:
"Dave Stadt" wrote in
:


If you feel that way you should purchase them and put them in a museum.
Most would not have survived and will not survive without the intent to
fly. Not much money available for the restoration of static displays.
Lotsa money available for flying restorations. Glaicer girl is an
excellent example.


And the Memphis Belle is an example of a static display going down the tubes.
Still not finished and now moved to Dayton, the US Air Force museum due to
lack of funds to keep the Belle in condition. Those machines were meant to
fly and should be flown. It's really sad to see them rot away on the ground.
In the air they are living history, and give peole a chance to experience the
ground pounding thunder of their mighty engines as they soar overhead. And
very ocaisonally one may get the opportunity to fly in one of them if they
are very lucky as a friend of mine did a few years ago in one of the last
Lancaster bombers left flying.

Aww...that's too bad. I only saw her once back in the 80's and she
looked fine back then. I guess I should have questioned (in my mind
anyway) the wisdom of keeping her in open air beside--no, in the middle
of (Mud Island - Memphis)--the Mississippi River; but they went to a lot
of trouble to get her there. It's a shame to have abandoned the effort.

This is a case of perhaps a machine which should only be static
displayed. She's not one of the thousands of anonymous 17's remembered
only by their dwindling numbers of surviving crew; but rather a piece of
history with an unparalleled combat record at the time of her retirement.

She's done her bit...

jak

Wow... didn't realize the scope of this...
In that case, it seems there are plenty of people here who think you are an
idiot also.
So agree to disagree and be done with it.
rb


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

Chuck Harris wrote:

Y'all don't suppose that Bill posted his little rebuttal simply
because the OP politely asked him not to? Something about "stirring
the pot" comes to mind.

-Chuck



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

No, Bill posted his little rebuttal because he thinks the OP is an
idiot but hopes he will come to his senses anyway.

Throughout history there have been many irreplaceable treasures lost
because nobody thought future generations would might like to see the
original instead of a replica. A real, genuine B-17 is a priceless
relic of an age that will never be repeated. Save it.

Mr Bill

On 22 Mar 2006 14:09:47 -0500, "Bill Turner" wrote:

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

Chuck Harris wrote:

Y'all don't suppose that Bill posted his little rebuttal simply
because the OP politely asked him not to? Something about "stirring
the pot" comes to mind.

-Chuck



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

No, Bill posted his little rebuttal because he thinks the OP is an
idiot but hopes he will come to his senses anyway.

Throughout history there have been many irreplaceable treasures lost
because nobody thought future generations would might like to see the
original instead of a replica. A real, genuine B-17 is a priceless
relic of an age that will never be repeated. Save it.

Mr Bill

Just a thought here, but I'm sure that nobody at the Boeing factory
back in the 1930's through early 40's (not EXACTLY sure of the years
of production, but it's close enough) had even a HOPE that ANY B-17
would still be flying in the year 2006. As a matter of fact, during
the darker days of 1942, I'm sure that most pilots of B-17's were
positive that NO B-17's would be flying as late as 1943!

Face it. The aircraft was built to be a warbird. It was designed to
fly, take damage, be repaired, and jump back into the air. Fly it
until she dies. She deserves it. It's called a death with dignity.

Raymond A. Sirois - KU2S
SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS
telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6023
http://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6080

I must say that when I ship a piece of WWII gear, I feel guilty packing it.
It was designed to be shot at, go through intense cold and heat and keep
working, and then I ship it off and pack it like it was a treasure. I
really should tape an address label on it and drop it in the box. I doubt
that the post office can do what the Germans and Japanese could not do - but
I still pack the stuff with care.

But, this saving for history is a mixed bag. I have had a WERS 112 Mhz
transceiver sitting on my shelf for years. It is useless. I am tempted to
convert it into a working transceiver with really cute dials (and no cut
holes) - but I cannot do it. So, it will sit on my shelf until I die, then
be thrown out along with my 20 ARC-5s.

Colin K7FM