Air America Radio: Hypocritical & Desperate
 

http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_3231.shtml

The only "hypocritical and desperate" thing about the linked article is its
author, who is severely put upon because one program on WLIB got kicked out by
Air America.

As far as I know, WLIB's ENTIRE SCHEDULE was displaced by AA.

Another so-called journalist of the open-mouth-insert-foot school.

Quoth "Corbin Ray" in
:

http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_3231.shtml

Richard Mullenax is a hypocrytical liar.

I would point out to the peripatetic Mr. Mullenax that contrary to his rabid
assertions, Air America didn't steal anything from anyone. Air America has
contracted with Inner City Broadcasting, the owner of WLIB (run, by the way,
by Pierre and Percy Sutton, African-Americans both) to lease WLIB. Inner City
has been losing money on its full-time Carribean programming, and now has an
opportunity to make a profitable deal, while at the same time providing a
public service to the community of New York, with wide-ranging, informative
and entertaining programming. Do black-owned radio stations not have the
right to make a profit? Would Mr. Mullenax restrict what Inner City may do
with its own property? Or is his problem with the deal more related to the
nature of the public service being provided by Air America -- providing a
counter to the ubiquitous hail of right-wing hate radio?

The hypocrisy lies not in Air America, but rather in Mr. Mullenax's
protestations.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
...
Quoth "Corbin Ray" in
:

http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_3231.shtml

Richard Mullenax is a hypocrytical liar.

I would point out to the peripatetic Mr. Mullenax that contrary to
his rabid
assertions, Air America didn't steal anything from anyone. Air
America has
contracted with Inner City Broadcasting, the owner of WLIB (run, by
the way,
by Pierre and Percy Sutton, African-Americans both) to lease WLIB.
Inner City
has been losing money on its full-time Carribean programming, and
now has an
opportunity to make a profitable deal, while at the same time
providing a
public service to the community of New York, with wide-ranging,
informative
and entertaining programming. Do black-owned radio stations not have
the
right to make a profit? Would Mr. Mullenax restrict what Inner City
may do
with its own property? Or is his problem with the deal more related
to the
nature of the public service being provided by Air America --
providing a
counter to the ubiquitous hail of right-wing hate radio?

I guess the simple question, shorn of all the rhetoric, is whether Air
America replaced programming by the Coalition of Artists and
Activists or not. Did they (i.e., is Air America now where this
programming was previously)?

I also find this rather confusing. You refer to wide-ranging,
informative and entertaining programming. But I thought we were
talking about Air America?

On 13 Apr 2004 02:23:07 GMT, pamthis (Sid Schweiger) wrote:

is its
author, who is severely put upon because one program on WLIB got kicked out by
Air America.

As far as I know, WLIB's ENTIRE SCHEDULE was displaced by AA.

Another so-called journalist of the open-mouth-insert-foot school.

And he didn't approach the fact that the network is renting two stations in
San Francisco, knocking asian programming off the air there. Yet another
minority. And of course the spanish talker in Chicago. That leaves spanish
music on the air there, however.

I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing one of
the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to WOWO,
50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half of
Canada? The owner of WLIB bought them a few years ago, decreased their power
and changed their directional pattern just so that WLIB could increase its
own power to cover NYC. Then the owners dumped their damaged goods and sold
WOWO to someone else.

That was one of the saddest days in broadcast history for me. WOWO used to
have an incredible signal here in Kentucky. Back in the 70s, my radio
buttons were set on WLS, WCFL, WOWO, and 15 WLAC. And even though they
weren't still playing music, I was listening to them steadily every night,
right up to the sad night when their strong signal became a noisy whisper.

So as far as I'm concerned, WLIB can take a flying leap into the Hudson
River and let us have WOWO back.

I would point out to the peripatetic Mr. Mullenax that contrary to his
rabid
assertions, Air America didn't steal anything from anyone.

"Peripatetic" means "walking" or "one who walks."

SS,

The 'original' License for certain "Minority Owned" Broadcasters
were to SERVE the 'under-served' Minority Community of a specific
Media Market, and 'create' "Diversity in Radio Broadcasting".

So we now see the selling out of the Minority Community to
'benefit' the interests of a few White Liberal ELITISTS. These
Liberal Elitists only claim to fame is their Leftist Socialist
Agenda and using a few radio stations to act as propaganda outlets.

"Air America" in 'name' ONLY
In-Fact Very Ugly American Liberal Elitist in Reality !


ssi ~ RHF
..
..
= = = pamthis (Sid Schweiger) wrote in message
= = = ...
The only "hypocritical and desperate" thing about the linked article is its
author, who is severely put upon because one program on WLIB got kicked out by
Air America.

As far as I know, WLIB's ENTIRE SCHEDULE was displaced by AA.

Another so-called journalist of the open-mouth-insert-foot school.

"Corbin Ray" wrote ...

Remember what happened to WOWO, 50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that
covered 38 states and half of Canada?

Remember it well. Before FM played rock, night time AM was all we had.
WKBW / 1510 / Buffalo - Tom Shannon and others.
WABC / 770 / NYC / Cousin Brucie.
WOWO - Ft. Wayne
WLS - Chicago
CKLW / 800 / Somewhere in Canada - came on when our local 800 left the air.
WWVA / 1170 / Wheeling - had to love those pre-profit Stair preachers.

Wanna go waaaaayyyyy back?
WCKY / Cincinnati One, Ohio .. Wayne Rainey and the Rainey Family.

I miss 'em all. :-(

[ Moderator's note: CKLW is in Windsor, Ontario, across the river from
Detroit. They are still on the air and you can visit their website at
http://www.am800cklw.com/ . CKLW-FM 93.9 flipped formats from Oldies to
Adult Album Alternative a number of years ago and became CIDR, 93.9 The River.
When I left that part of the country last year they'd flipped again, to some
sort of Soft Rock format. ]

"Corbin Ray" wrote in message
...
I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing one
of
the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to WOWO,
50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half of
Canada?

First, WOWO did not cover 38 states.

There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
Juan, PR and Dallas, TX. In addition, a dominant station on 1190 is KEWK, a
10 kw operation in Guadalajara, Mexico, as well as a half-dozen other
fulltimers in Mexico on 1190. WOWO was always directional, going back to
when Westinghouse downgraded it a half-century or more ago so KEX could
become a 1-B clear channel station. It sent little power to the West, to
protect KEX. And KEX did the same so it could run 50 kw. It got a signal
into parts of eastern Ontario, some of Quebec and occasionally in the
Maritimes... but much of that is Francophone and WOWO was hardly of
interest.

WOWO was limited to consistent coverage of maybe a dozen states or parts of
them at night, and NE Indiana, South Central Michigan and a piece of Ohio in
daytime.

Since very little radio listening is done at night (and hasn't been since
the 50's), the important issue is whether the station has decent coverage of
the Ft. Wayne market. Even nearby markets and towns, which did not have
local stations in the 50's and before, now have, in most cases, too many
stations.

Quoth "T. Early" in
:

I guess the simple question, shorn of all the rhetoric, is whether Air
America replaced programming by the Coalition of Artists and
Activists or not.

No, the owners of the station replaced programming by CAA. With Air America.

By the way, CAA's programming still has a home on weekends.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

On 13 Apr 2004 02:23:07 GMT, pamthis (Sid Schweiger)
wrote:

The only "hypocritical and desperate" thing about the linked article is its
author, who is severely put upon because one program on WLIB got kicked out by
Air America.

As far as I know, WLIB's ENTIRE SCHEDULE was displaced by AA.

While I agree that the loss of WLIB to the Black community is a
problem I thought the article was so far off base it was ridiculous.

Air America is paying Percy Sutton for his time from 6am to 11pm.

WLIB wasn't making money and Sutton was honest enough to admit he did
it for the money.

Rich

(LW) wrote in message ...
"Corbin Ray" wrote ...

Remember what happened to WOWO,

I remember listening not only to WOWO but to all the other stations in
the eastern US and Canada that have been mentioned. My radio of choice
was an RCA AA5 from the late fifties with Conelrad frequencies marked
on the dial. The one thing I remember more than anything else about
WOWO is, of course:

The Fort Wayne Komets
http://www.komets.com/index2.html

Without the website, I never would have known that "Komets" was
spelled with a "k".

Quoth (RHF) in :

So we now see the selling out of the Minority Community to
'benefit' the interests of a few White Liberal ELITISTS.

Mark Riley and Chuck D are "White Liberal Elitists"?

They'll be very surprised to hear that.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

David Eduardo had written:
|
| "Corbin Ray" wrote in message
| ...
| I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing one
| of
| the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to WOWO,
| 50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half of
| Canada?
|
| First, WOWO did not cover 38 states.
|
| There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
| night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
| Juan, PR and Dallas, TX.

Ah, the good old days. There was quite a spirited debate in rrb at
the time. As someone who lived in Kansas City at the time, and who
was well aware of what was then KFEZ, I felt it wasn't quite
the crime against humanity that some made it out to be.

At one time, the 1190 in Boulder, CO also had nighttime service with
a DA, but that was given up sometime in the mid 1990s. There was a
about a year in Kansas City when KFEZ was off the air after getting
struck by lightning *during* a thunderstorm in 1990. 1190 was a very
quiet spot on the dial most nights during that time -- or there was
a very low level hash.


--
Mark Roberts | "If it weren't for stupid people, there wouldn't be news."
Oakland, Cal.| -- me, in tvbarn2, to which Tom Heald responded -- "or sports...
NO HTML MAIL | or for that matter traffic and weather together on the 'tens."

"LW" wrote :
| WLS - Chicago

I actually get a little choked up when I think of
what WLS was. This was a station I grew up
with. Fred Winston, Larry Lujack ("Superjock"),
Steve Dahl and Garry Meiers.

Ulp. It's happening again.

Ditto on CKLW. I believe John "Records"
Landecker came to WLS from CKLW.

Boy, those *were* the days, no kidding.
I remember the days of "musicradio" (all
one word), and the top 40 format. I wanted
to be a part of the world of radio, and that
world no longer exists.

Oh, yeah, WLAC, too.

I remember the *good* days of radio.
Nothing sounds better than a fat, well - modulated
good - fidelity AM signal, fading, the phase of the
carrier shifting like a porch swing in the wind.

I thought that made music sound *better.*

73,

SL


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"T. Early" wrote in message
...

I also find this rather confusing. You refer to wide-ranging,
informative and entertaining programming. But I thought we were
talking about Air America?

LOL!

The 'original' License for certain "Minority Owned" Broadcasters were to SERVE
the 'under-served' Minority Community of a specific Media Market, and 'create'
"Diversity in Radio Broadcasting".

Where DO you people get this crap from?

No one has promised "to SERVE the 'under-served' Minority Community" as a
condition of a grant of an FCC license for almost three decades. Where have
you been?

On 13 Apr 2004 22:48:39 GMT, (RHF) wrote:

So we now see the selling out of the Minority Community to
'benefit' the interests of a few White Liberal ELITISTS. These
Liberal Elitists only claim to fame is their Leftist Socialist
Agenda and using a few radio stations to act as propaganda outlets.

So, if this new network had been Conservative it would have been OK.
You're just in a wringer because it's Liberal. I realize there are no
elitists on the Conservative side, so I won't argue the point.

Rich

"Ted Shireman" wrote in message
...
pamthis (Sid Schweiger) wrote in message
...
The only "hypocritical and desperate" thing about the linked article is
its
author, who is severely put upon because one program on WLIB got kicked
out by
Air America.

As far as I know, WLIB's ENTIRE SCHEDULE was displaced by AA.

Another so-called journalist of the open-mouth-insert-foot school.

A small sidelite on AA. They have evidenly obtained a lease on time
from KBLA, 50 kw DA-2 on 1580 kHz. That station is dual licensed to
Santa Monica and L.A.

Actually, it is only licensed to Santa Monica. It does not put enough signal
over LA day and night to be an LA station.

and puts a tremendous signal in that area,

Actually, it only covers part of LA by day, and very little of it at night.
At night, a flashlight-thin lobe heads from Alvarado and the 101 fwy towards
Santa Mónica and the ocean.

but
out here 11 mi east of the transmitter in the San Gabriel Valley I
can't hear it on any radio in my house day or night and at night it's
lost in the mud on the 210 fwy in East Pasadena==Ted Shireman

Which is how it was designed.

.... There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
Juan, PR and Dallas, TX. In addition, a dominant station on 1190 is KEWK, a 10
kw operation in Guadalajara, Mexico, as well as a half-dozen other fulltimers
in Mexico on 1190.


There were three Class As on 1190: WOWO, KEX and XEWK.

XEWK is grandfathered at 10 kW.

WOWO and KEX were (pre-WLIB) 50 kW DA-N, with three towers nights, the usual
complement for a U.S. Class I-B.

Every other 1190 (pre-WLIB, again) is a non-dominant station, and as such they
must all protect the secondary service area of all dominant stations. Also,
non-domonant stations on first adjacent-channels, 1180 and 1200, must protect
the primary service area of the dominant stations on 1190.

Obviously, WOWO's downgrade changes matters a bit. Perhaps a lot.

The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

If there are secondary beneficiaries, these are likely to be restricted by the
existence of the other Class As, which surely aren't going away, to minor
adjustments of their existing patterns, rather than dramatic increases in power
or astonishing reduction in protection.

Also, Class B 1190 stations anywhere near the U.S.-Canadian border may be
restricted by "notified", yet dark, stations in Canada. Those "stations" aren't
likely to go anywhere, either.

One will observe that WLIB protects WOWO and a non-existant, yet "notified"
station in Canada.

Any west coast 1190 is going to be limited by KEX and XEWK, and Anaheim and
Tolleson haven't been able to get around that fact.

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Peter H. wrote:

... There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
Juan, PR and Dallas, TX. In addition, a dominant station on 1190 is KEWK, a 10
kw operation in Guadalajara, Mexico, as well as a half-dozen other fulltimers
in Mexico on 1190.



There were three Class As on 1190: WOWO, KEX and XEWK.

XEWK is grandfathered at 10 kW.

WOWO and KEX were (pre-WLIB) 50 kW DA-N, with three towers nights, the usual
complement for a U.S. Class I-B.

Every other 1190 (pre-WLIB, again) is a non-dominant station, and as such they
must all protect the secondary service area of all dominant stations. Also,
non-domonant stations on first adjacent-channels, 1180 and 1200, must protect
the primary service area of the dominant stations on 1190.

Obviously, WOWO's downgrade changes matters a bit. Perhaps a lot.

The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

If there are secondary beneficiaries, these are likely to be restricted by the
existence of the other Class As, which surely aren't going away, to minor
adjustments of their existing patterns, rather than dramatic increases in power
or astonishing reduction in protection.

Also, Class B 1190 stations anywhere near the U.S.-Canadian border may be
restricted by "notified", yet dark, stations in Canada. Those "stations" aren't
likely to go anywhere, either.

One will observe that WLIB protects WOWO and a non-existant, yet "notified"
station in Canada.


WOWO does have an application for 15 kw nights with a 4 tower DA under
its new owners which should restore them to the old I-B status.

CG


Any west coast 1190 is going to be limited by KEX and XEWK, and Anaheim and
Tolleson haven't been able to get around that fact.






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complement for a U.S. Class I-B.

Every other 1190 (pre-WLIB, again) is a non-dominant station, and as such they
must all protect the secondary service area of all dominant stations. Also,
non-domonant stations on first adjacent-channels, 1180 and 1200, must protect
the primary service area of the dominant stations on 1190.

Obviously, WOWO's downgrade changes matters a bit. Perhaps a lot.

The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

If there are secondary beneficiaries, these are likely to be restricted by the
existence of the other Class As, which surely aren't going away, to minor
adjustments of their existing patterns, rather than dramatic increases in power
or astonishing reduction in protection.

Also, Class B 1190 stations anywhere near the U.S.-Canadian border may be
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"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "T. Early" in
:

I guess the simple question, shorn of all the rhetoric, is whether
Air
America replaced programming by the Coalition of Artists and
Activists or not.

No, the owners of the station replaced programming by CAA. With Air
America.

By the way, CAA's programming still has a home on weekends.



That's a reasonable distinction. So should I assume that Air America
representatives did not approach the owners with an offer, knowing
that acceptance of the offer would result in CAA programming being
replaced?

WOWO does have an application for 15 kw nights with a 4 tower DA under its new
owners which should restore them to the old I-B status.


No.

That 4-tower DA is intended to further restrict WOWO's pattern, not to increase
it, so that Salem may go unlimited time at its Atlanta station (although there
are other problems besides WOWO which will impact Salem's plans).

I believe Salem is paying for the new DA, which will be expensive.

So, should this 4-tower DA ever be constructed, WOWO may well be above the 10
kW minimum for Class A status, but it wouldn't automatically be a Class A
unless and until it could prove it actually had a protected secondary service
area, which it won't because of WLIB and Kansas City, and Canada accepted the
new pattern.

So far, there has not been a case of a significant change in a Class A pattern
which was accepted by Canada, save for WSAI/1530, and in order for WSAI to
implement that change, protection had to be added to 1520 (WWKB) and to 1540
(ZNS-1) as well as to its intended purpose ... increasing the radiation over
Cincinnati.

Well, add WBBR to that list as well.

Canada has a Class A priority on 1130, but not on 1530 nor on 1190.

Nevertheless, Canada is the rate-limiting function here, because of its many
"notified" Class Bs.

RHF wrote:

The 'original' License for certain "Minority Owned" Broadcasters
were to SERVE the 'under-served' Minority Community of a specific
Media Market, and 'create' "Diversity in Radio Broadcasting".

Agreed. It would sure be nice if it worked out that way.

So we now see the selling out of the Minority Community to
'benefit' the interests of a few White Liberal ELITISTS. These
Liberal Elitists only claim to fame is their Leftist Socialist
Agenda and using a few radio stations to act as propaganda outlets.

Are you sure you aren't confusing them with Pacifica? Not that Pacifica
hasn't gone really quite conservative in recent years. Used to be I could
tune to WPFW late at night and hear extended rants about killing all the white
people, and that's long gone. I sort of miss it, actually.

"Air America" in 'name' ONLY
In-Fact Very Ugly American Liberal Elitist in Reality !

Hey, if it gets people thinking and it makes a profit, it's doing better
than most of the other services that come in over the bird. I did notice
a bad buzz when I listened to their feed, though. Also I heard the sort of
pumping that you get when you try to use a compressor as an AVC device.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Sid Schweiger wrote:
The 'original' License for certain "Minority Owned" Broadcasters were to SERVE
the 'under-served' Minority Community of a specific Media Market, and 'create'
"Diversity in Radio Broadcasting".

Where DO you people get this crap from?

No one has promised "to SERVE the 'under-served' Minority Community" as a
condition of a grant of an FCC license for almost three decades. Where have
you been?

Wouldn't it be nice if someone did, though? Combine that with the Fairness
Doctrine and hey, you might have radio worth listening to.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 14 Apr 2004 14:43:00 GMT, (baroos) wrote:


AA has probably had the most successful launch in the history of talk
radio. However, it remains to be seen whether their line-up of mostly
newbies to the talk radio business are going to make it. So far
there's too much talking among themselves and their guests. Too few
real callers. Randi Rhodes is the best

With 5 or 6 stations? That's a success? And it apparently has been pulled
from Chicago and LA because their check bounced (per news reports this
evening.)

So they are down to 3 or 4 stations. That's a HUGE success!

Rich Wood wrote in message ...
On 13 Apr 2004 22:48:39 GMT, (RHF) wrote:

So we now see the selling out of the Minority Community to
'benefit' the interests of a few White Liberal ELITISTS. These
Liberal Elitists only claim to fame is their Leftist Socialist
Agenda and using a few radio stations to act as propaganda outlets.

So, if this new network had been Conservative it would have been OK.
You're just in a wringer because it's Liberal. I realize there are no
elitists on the Conservative side, so I won't argue the point.

Rich


Rich,

The so called 'conservatives' (Right Wing) are not going around
claiming to be the "Champions" of 'the poor' and 'minorities'.
They are not mouthing the hollow words 'i feel your pain'.

But the "Air America" crew of White Liberal Elitists are all
about being the Great White Saviors of 'the poor' and 'minorities'
are apparently to be judged as nothing but Limousine Liberals.


jtf ~ RHF

..

I downloaded OTS Juke so I play radio on my computer, and I've got some WLS
jingles intermixed with my music. And since the program has an excellent
dynamic processor, I try to create the Big 89 sound as closely as possible.
I'm still in the tweaking stage (as I have been for over two years).

I don't stream my "station" or anything, just play it for my sake till my
wife makes me turn it down.

Peter H. had written:
|
| The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

The main benefits there are (a) removal of the critical-hours
restriction (but I'm not sure about this) and (b) the ability to
increase night power and loosen up the pattern to better serve the
parts of Kansas City that are north of the Missouri River.

--
Mark Roberts | "If it weren't for stupid people, there wouldn't be news."
Oakland, Cal.| -- me, in tvbarn2, to which Tom Heald responded -- "or sports...
NO HTML MAIL | or for that matter traffic and weather together on the 'tens."

TB,

Lets Get Real and Be Honest 'about' "Air America"
- A lot of AIR !
- Very Little of 'real' America [.]

First - Dealing with the Fact that "Air America"
has a White Liberal Elitist FACE [.]
http://www.airamericaradio.com/

Lets Look WHO is On-the-Air:
* Al Franken & Katherine Lanpher
{White-on-White}
* Janeane Garofalo and Sam Seder
{White-on-White}
* Randi Rhodes
{Yes She IS White Too}
* Lizz Winstead, Chuck D and Rachel Maddow
{White-on-White with Black in the Middle}
* Mark Riley, Sue Ellicott and Marc Maron
{Black with White-on-White}
* Marty Kaplan
{Yes He IS White Too}
Laura Flanders
{Yes She IS White Too}

Oh What is Missing Now in the Mix . . .
- No Hispanics ?
- No Asians ?
- No Native Americans ?


Second - Reality Sucks !
The True FACE of Air America's "Mighty White" Management Team:
http://www.airamericaradio.com/pub/resAboutUs.htm

* Evan M. Cohen - Chairman, Air America Radio
* Rex Sorensen - Vice-Chairman, Air America Radio
* Mark Walsh - CEO
* Jon Sinton - President
* David Goodfriend - Executive Vice President, General Counsel
* Javier Saade - Executive Vice President
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= = = Tom Betz wrote in message
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Quoth (RHF) in :

So we now see the selling out of the Minority Community to
'benefit' the interests of a few White Liberal ELITISTS.

Mark Riley and Chuck D are "White Liberal Elitists"?

They'll be very surprised to hear that.

On 14 Apr 2004 14:43:00 GMT, (baroos) wrote:

(Ted Shireman) wrote in message ...
pamthis (Sid Schweiger) wrote in message ...
The only "hypocritical and desperate" thing about the linked article is its
author, who is severely put upon because one program on WLIB got kicked out by
Air America.

As far as I know, WLIB's ENTIRE SCHEDULE was displaced by AA.

AA has probably had the most successful launch in the history of talk
radio. However, it remains to be seen whether their line-up of mostly
newbies to the talk radio business are going to make it. So far
there's too much talking among themselves and their guests. Too few
real callers. Randi Rhodes is the best
Its been so successful that it is now off the air in Chicago and LA
for nonpayment of leasing fees.

"Rich Wood" wrote in message
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On 13 Apr 2004 02:23:07 GMT, pamthis (Sid Schweiger)
wrote:
Air America is paying Percy Sutton for his time from 6am to 11pm.

Well......maybe not.

Hello, simply read their 'original' Application for the Radio Station License.
The Devil is in the Details ;-}

Thanks for ignoring what I wrote. The "original" application is irrelevant,
especially when programming promises were eliminated from license renewals 30
years ago.

Try paying attention next time.

Quoth Bill Blomgren in
:

On 14 Apr 2004 14:43:00 GMT, (baroos) wrote:


AA has probably had the most successful launch in the history of talk
radio.

With 5 or 6 stations?

They added 6 more today. After being on the air all of two weeks. That's
pretty good.

http://ln-s.net/X3

And it apparently has been pulled
from Chicago and LA because their check bounced (per news reports this
evening.)

Bogus news reports.

Air America leased the two months prior to their debut on WNTD in Chicago and
KBLA in Los Angeles, and allowed Arthur Liu (owner of the stations) to run
filler during those two months.

Liu, in violation of their contract, leased the LA station during those
two months to someone else. It's as if you rented an apartment from
someone but couldn't move in for two months, so the landlord rents it
to someone else for those two months -- double-dipping.

When Air America discovered this (two days ago) they notified Liu that they
wanted to arbitrate this violation per their contract and stopped payment on
one check for the LA station per their contract. Liu, in violation of BOTH
contracts, cut them off in both LA and Chicago.

So now AA is taking Liu to court. Doubtless, they'll have a TRO in hand and
be back on the air in Chicago and LA a few days.

You can read AA's own rant on the subject at
http://airamericaradio.com/pub/resNews.htm, and their stiffer press release
at http://ln-s.net/X4.

If you have a really twisted sense of entertainment, you can get your jollies
off AA's court filing at:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0414043air1.html.

If AA wasn't proving to be such a success, Liu wouldn't be motivated to shake
them down like this. They could quietly take this opportunity to get out of
their contract with Liu; but they want back on the air, and are going to
fight tooth and nail.


--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

On 14 Apr 2004 14:43:00 GMT, (baroos) wrote:

AA has probably had the most successful launch in the history of talk
radio. However, it remains to be seen whether their line-up of mostly
newbies to the talk radio business are going to make it. So far
there's too much talking among themselves and their guests. Too few
real callers. Randi Rhodes is the best

I've been in Talk Radio for a long time. Where do you get that it's
"the most successful launch in the history of Talk Radio?" If you mean
the most hyped, I'll agree.

This is press release puffery. It came out of the box with sloppy
production on six marginal signals and is now accused on not paying
its bills, so it's lost Los Angeles and Chicago. Read the "Sludge
Report" on their web site at

http://www.airamericaradio.com/pub/resNews.htm

to see how these TV "professionals" bite the hands, arms, legs and
other body parts that feed them. I'm sure that Artur Liu is chomping
at the bit to put them back on his stations.

Rich

On 14 Apr 2004 14:42:59 GMT, "T. Early"
wrote:

That's a reasonable distinction. So should I assume that Air America
representatives did not approach the owners with an offer, knowing
that acceptance of the offer would result in CAA programming being
replaced?

Offers like this are made every day. Broadcasting is win-lose
business. If one show comes in another has to go out.

WLIB is a commercial entity. If it's losing money because no one is
listening and they can't sell time, something has to give. Supposing
BET had a radio network and made the same deal? CAA programming would
go, also.

You can't blame Air America for seeing an opportunity and making
something of it.

Rich