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AIR America Radio Adds Anchorage Affiliate
Radio.About.com - USA Air America Radio has announced it is now broadcasting its current line-up on KUDO-AM, Anchorage, Alaska. "Air America Radio welcomes ... http://radio.about.com/cs/latestradionews/a/aa050504a.htm |
On 5 May 2004 23:00:47 GMT, "Mike Terry"
wrote: Radio.About.com - USA Air America Radio has announced it is now broadcasting its current line-up on KUDO-AM, Anchorage, Alaska. "Air America Radio welcomes ... http://radio.about.com/cs/latestradionews/a/aa050504a.htm About.com needs to do their homework. The hypoblurb states "these stations are carrying the Air America lineup" implying that all shows are being carried. I'm sure WJNO in West Palm hasn't dropped their regular schedule to carry the Air America lineup. All they're carrying is Randi Rhodes. Randi has been on WJNO for years. Long before Air America was a glimmer in an investor's eye. People need to understand that very few stations carry a network's complete lineup. They cherry pick the shows they want from a variety of networks or do their own local stuff. Most of what's on WJNO comes from their own company's network. They're owned by Clear Channel and the network is Premiere, also owned by Clear Channel. With the loss of Los Angeles and Chicago, I believe the only station carrying the complete lineup is WLIB, New York, for which Air America is paying a fortune. I would bet the Air America show most affiliated is Al Franken who plunged a wooden stake into the network's heart by announcing he's thinking about running for office. If he does, the show goes away. Rich |
On 10 May 2004 03:37:04 GMT, Rich Wood ("Rich") writes:
Rich With the loss of Los Angeles and Chicago, I believe the only station Rich carrying the complete lineup is WLIB, New York, for which Air America Rich is paying a fortune. On "All Things Considered" last night they claimed (without qualification) that the Air America network is currently being carried by 12 stations. |
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Quoth Rich Wood in :
As it is, spots scheduled to air on WLIB, New York, were, apparrently, run on the network in a show that suggested the President be assassinated. No Air America show ever suggested the President be assassinated. But keep passing around the lies, Rich. The buzz is bringing in advertising bucks, and as a startup, they can use all the help they can get. -- "I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S. |
On 15 May 2004 04:31:48 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:
As it is, spots scheduled to air on WLIB, New York, were, apparrently, run on the network in a show that suggested the President be assassinated. No Air America show ever suggested the President be assassinated. But keep passing around the lies, Rich. The buzz is bringing in advertising bucks, and as a startup, they can use all the help they can get. The "lies" have been all over the trade press. Randi Rhodes allegely suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat and shot. That's what prompted the advertisers to request their spots not air on the network. I'm sure she wasn't serious but mainstream advertisers shun controversy. I'm curious how you know the "buzz" is bringing in advertisers. Unless you're an employee of the network or ad agencies who are placing buys, how would you know? Many spots on a new network are there to avoid using PSAs in every break. With only one major market I doubt they're getting network buys. Even WLIB, New York, doesn't have the tonnage in the right demos to get bought. My guess is those were spots being run off from a buy aimed at the station's previous audience or as a combo buy with WBLS. I think the archive their shows on the net. It allegedly happened last week. Rich |
"Tom Betz" wrote in message ... But keep passing around the lies, Rich. The buzz is bringing in advertising bucks, Is that why they can't make their payroll, because of the advertising dollars pouring in because of the "buzz." |
On 15 May 2004 04:31:48 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:
No Air America show ever suggested the President be assassinated. According to Michael Goodwin in the New York Daily News, Randi Rhodes did exactly that. He wrote: "Rock bottom came when she compared Bush and his family to the Corleones in the "Godfather" saga. "Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw," she said, imitating the sound of gunfire." Mark Howell |
Quoth Mark Howell in :
According to Michael Goodwin in the New York Daily News, Randi Rhodes did exactly that. Goodwin got it wrong. Goodwin got a LOT wrong in that opinion piece. -- "I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S. |
Quoth Rich Wood in
: The "lies" have been all over the trade press. FUD, spread by those with an interest in AA's failure. Randi Rhodes allegely suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat and shot. Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's brother who killed him. She never advocated anything. That's what prompted the advertisers to request their spots not air on the network. Funny how GM (for the most widely-cited example) says otherwise, if one asks them. They say they were prompted to pull their ads by the fact of the change in format (they had bought WLIB to reach the Caribbean market), not by the content of the new format. Funny how Ford immediately started advertising THEIR certified used cars on WLIB as soon as GM stopped advertising theirs... I think the archive their shows on the net. Rich, I used to think you were so well-informed. Now, I begin to see otherwise. AA maintains no archives. However, a fan of Randi Rhodes maintains a rolling two-week archive at http://www.randirhodesarchives.com/. -- "I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S. |
"Tom Betz" wrote in message ... Quoth Rich Wood in : Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's brother who killed him. She never advocated anything. It's funny how some people, many of whom probably never listened, like to say people like Rush and Sean are full of "hate". Now the shoe is on the other foot. How does it feel? |
"Tom Betz" wrote in message ... Quoth Rich Wood in : The "lies" have been all over the trade press. FUD, spread by those with an interest in AA's failure. Randi Rhodes allegely suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat and shot. Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's brother who killed him. She never advocated anything. Here is the transcript... it sure sounds like Rich was right. And you are not. Caller: One more question: Why don't the American people see that the entire Bush Family are crooks? Randi: Well that would-- C: Neil, Jeb, George Senior Iran Contra, and and and now Dopey R: And what was involved.. what do they have in common? All of these things? C: It's all money. R: They all stole. They stole from banks. They stole from Pakistani banks; they stole from American banks; they stole from small banks, big banks, neighborhood banks. They stole from MY bank. My bank was uh this Savings and Loan of Broward-- C: Yup R: --and Jeb took care of that bank. Jeb actually bought a building that was uh you know took a mortgage on the building of four million dollars and then just you know said he couldnt pay the.. the the the uh the note you know the mortgage and the bank totally went belly up and the tax payers had to bail out that bank too. I mean-- C: They're theives; they're the Corleones and as you said-- R: They ARE the Corelones! C: --and now we're down to Fredo. R: Well I gotta find... Well right, we've got the Fredo of the family is the President of the United States! So uh why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing C: Yeah-- R: You know C: --on a row boat R: Yeah and let him say some Hail Marys C: I'll bet Bush does have a little dingy R: Yeah.. take him out and you know "Hail Mary, full of grace, God is with you-" [Randi makes the sound of a blast] ... Works for me. C: Absolutely, thank you-- R: Thank you... I don't think you can say that anymore. I really don't. You will see. No Godfather references when it comes to the Bush family. Nope! |
On 16 May 2004 16:44:01 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:
The "lies" have been all over the trade press. FUD, spread by those with an interest in AA's failure. That doesn't make sense. Why would a trade magazine have any interest in seeing Air America fail? With all the consolidation they welcome as many new advertisers as they can find. I know the publishers of nearly ever trade magazine. None I've talked to want to see them fail. What you seem to be mistaking for hope for failure is accurate reporting on the actions of the network. I have no interest in seeing them fail. I'm simply commenting on what I see as incompetence. Randi Rhodes allegely suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat and shot. Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's brother who killed him. She never advocated anything. Whatever. It still was seen by advertisers as controversial, according to my ad industry sources. It appears the spots were not supposed to air on the network, anyway. Not being network people they didn't consider the fact that all spots aren't intended for all markets. If a New York area dealers are having a promotion it puts dealers in other no-promotion markets in a tight spot to hear abou6t great deals that aren't mean for them. It doesn't matter if she actually advocated anything. It's the perception of advocacy. Most of my NYC friends who heard it considered it to be a call for an assassination. Funny how GM (for the most widely-cited example) says otherwise, if one asks them. They say they were prompted to pull their ads by the fact of the change in format (they had bought WLIB to reach the Caribbean market), not by the content of the new format. Have you spoken to GM or their agency? At least in New York it's always been understood that controversial programming was off limits for these advertisers. Funny how Ford immediately started advertising THEIR certified used cars on WLIB as soon as GM stopped advertising theirs... I was under the impression that advertising is placed by the Tri-State Ford Dealers Association. Each company has different policies. Remember when Snapple was pulled from Limbaugh when it was bought by Quaker? Limbaugh practically made the product what it is. I think the archive their shows on the net. Rich, I used to think you were so well-informed. Now, I begin to see otherwise. AA maintains no archives. Hmm. The publicity I saw indicated that their site was getting a lot of hits and shows were archived. Perhaps they meant the fan site. It still means the shows are available to the general public, in archived form, for a period of time. My link is directly to the stream and doesn't access the site. My basic complaint is the inaccurate hype that inplies stations are carrying the entire Air America lineup. WJNO, West Palm, is on that list. They don't specify that WJNO is carrying only one show. They lead the reader to believe it's all there. It isn't. After the loss of Los Angeles and Chicago, I believe WLIB is the only station carrying the fulltime 6a-11p schedule. Rich |
"Tom Betz" wrote in message ... But to see obvious lies about ANYONE spread by someone for whom I used to have a modicum of respect, and who has obviously not made the slightest effort to check out the facts for himself... that's really annoying. Here is a link to the audio recording of the show: "you can hear it at http://www.whiterosesociety.org, Randi Rhodes May 10, 2004, 60 minutes into the show" The facts check out, and, whether it was intended to be humorous, it was a suggestion of considerable gravity. |
Quoth "David Eduardo" in
: So uh why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing No, I'M correct. She never advocated anyone kill W. Her words were, "why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing" As I said, she referenced Michael Corleone killing Fredo in "The Godfather". Unless you are prepared to assert that Rand Rhodes commanded Jeb to kill W... -- "I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S. |
Quoth Rich Wood in :
Have you spoken to GM or their agency? Here's the boilerplate with which GM is responding to queries: Thank you for contacting the General Motors Customer Assistance Center. We appreciate your comments and opinions regarding advertising for General Motors on WLIB 1190-AM. General Motors learned the week of May 10th, 2004 that radio advertising time that GM bought on WLIB 1190-AM, previously an affiliate of American Urban Radio Networks, continued to run without GM's knowledge or authorization after WLIB changed its affiliation to Air America. GM originally bought this advertising time when WLIB's format was Caribbean-based music, targeted to an African-American audience, which was part of GM's ongoing effort to reach this important group of consumers. With the change to a new, untested format, our advertising on WLIB would no longer reach the same consumers we were originally targeting, and we have opted not to continue advertising on WLIB at this time. We are sorry if this decision has offended you in any way and we hope you understand our position. If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this message or call our General Motors Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-222-1020. Customer Relationship Managers are available Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., Eastern Time. Please reference service request number 1- 217075972. Again, thank you for contacting General Motors. Carol Talley Customer Relationship Manager General Motors Customer Assistance Center [ end boilerplate ] If there's any content reason for the termination of the ads, GM isn't admitting it. -- "I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S. |
"Tom Betz" wrote in message ... Quoth "David Eduardo" in : So uh why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing No, I'M correct. She never advocated anyone kill W. Her words were, "why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing" As I said, she referenced Michael Corleone killing Fredo in "The Godfather". Unless you are prepared to assert that Rand Rhodes commanded Jeb to kill W... The message is clear. It is not particularly funny, and would be no more funny coming from Michael Savage in regards to Kerry than it is coming from a host on the other side of the spectrum speaking about Bush. |
Rich Wood wrote:
Whatever. It still was seen by advertisers as controversial, according to my ad industry sources. Just out of curiosity...how many of those advertisers had a problem with being on Rush Limbaugh's program when he compared what is happening in Abu Ghraib (sp?) with harmless frat-boy hazing? |
"David Eduardo" wrote in news:c8d8n7$m3e$1
@xuxa.iecc.com: The message is clear. Only if one has evil intent. -- |I always wanted to be someone,| Tom Betz, Generalist | |but now I think I should have | Want to send me email? | |been a wee bit more specific. | http://tinyurl.com/ps2u | |
"Tom Desmond" wrote in message ... Rich Wood wrote: Whatever. It still was seen by advertisers as controversial, according to my ad industry sources. Just out of curiosity...how many of those advertisers had a problem with being on Rush Limbaugh's program when he compared what is happening in Abu Ghraib (sp?) with harmless frat-boy hazing? Most of those advertisers have "no controversy" or "no talk" dictates when they want to be assured of a more neutral context for their campaigns. It applies to rush or Savage as well as Franken and Rhodes. |
On 18 May 2004 02:45:20 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:
She never advocated anyone kill W. Her words were, "why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing" As I said, she referenced Michael Corleone killing Fredo in "The Godfather". Unless you are prepared to assert that Rand Rhodes commanded Jeb to kill W... You can try and explain it away but when someone suggests a father or brother take someone out fishing, particularly a President, and makes a noise imitating a gunshot I take it to mean there's a victim. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find the Secret Service would find a gunshot in a boat where the President is present to be a problem. I'd see lots of very wet black suits. I don't care where the reference comes from. The actual audio names members of the Bush family and clearly implies one is to be a gunshot victim. It's not a terrible stretch to believe the victim would be the President. Not something mainstream advertisers would like. I'm crushed that I've lost your respect, but many, many people didn't see the reference as a lie. I listened to the archive (the shows are archived) and there was no doubt the death of the President was the focus. Rich |
On 18 May 2004 02:45:22 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:
If there's any content reason for the termination of the ads, GM isn't admitting it. I've been in the network business for a long time. The explanation is legitimate. However, GM would not place advertising on Air America even if the numbers were astounding. They don't do controversy. The real bottom line is that GM didn't buy Air America yet their spots ran there without their permission. The agency should have cancelled the order because of a format change. Perfectly legitimate. Many agencies are buying minority stations in New York because the stations have made it clear it's discriminatory not to buy them when their numbers exceed white targeted stations. Even though they still don't get the rates they're due, things are improving because of legitimate pressure from highly rated minority stations. I don't know why you're tapdancing around a comment that clearly suggested the assassination of a member of the Bush family. I'm not a fan of the family but I don't wish death on any of them. To suggest it is damned irresponsible radio. Rich |
On 18 May 2004 15:05:13 GMT, Tom Desmond wrote:
Rich Wood wrote: Whatever. It still was seen by advertisers as controversial, according to my ad industry sources. Just out of curiosity...how many of those advertisers had a problem with being on Rush Limbaugh's program when he compared what is happening in Abu Ghraib (sp?) with harmless frat-boy hazing? Make a list of Limbaugh's advertisers. How many mainstream advertisers are there? Conservative Digest? Limbaugh has been on the don't buy list for years. If Laura Schlessinger lost advertisers because of a gay bashing comment I suspect those same advertisers would drop Limbaugh if they hadn't already rejected running spots in his show. Rich |
Rich Wood wrote in news:c8fteq$uh$1
@xuxa.iecc.com: many, many people didn't see the reference as a lie. The lie was the claim of advocacy. From http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/12/153908.shtml, where the whole flap started: Comparing Bush and his family to the Corleones of "Godfather" fame, Air America host Randi Rhodes reportedly unleashed this zinger during her Monday night broadcast: "Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw." [ end excerpt ] This is both a misquote ("somebody ought") and a lie. Funny how the lie made its way into the trades so quickly, to be repeated over and over again before the truth could get its boots on. -- |I always wanted to be someone,| Tom Betz, Generalist | |but now I think I should have | Want to send me email? | |been a wee bit more specific. | http://tinyurl.com/ps2u | |
"Rich Wood" wrote in message
... Make a list of Limbaugh's advertisers. How many mainstream advertisers are there? Conservative Digest? Limbaugh has been on the don't buy list for years. If Laura Schlessinger lost advertisers because of a gay bashing comment I suspect those same advertisers would drop Limbaugh if they hadn't already rejected running spots in his show. I've been following this thread with interest. Was wondering how Imus manages to retain so many mainstream national advertisers given the tone & content of his show ? Rich (or anyone else), can you please comment on this ? Seems to be an exception to the rule, or perhaps I'm misinterpreting something. |
"Tom Betz" wrote in message ... Rich Wood wrote in news:c8fteq$uh$1 Funny how the lie made its way into the trades so quickly, to be repeated over and over again before the truth could get its boots on. The text has been posted and a link to the audio as well. It is very clear that what happened was an attempt at humor that went to far by anyone's standards. There is no lie. Only your denial. |
Quoth "David Eduardo" in
: "Tom Betz" wrote in message ... Rich Wood wrote in news:c8fteq$uh$1 Funny how the lie made its way into the trades so quickly, to be repeated over and over again before the truth could get its boots on. The text has been posted and a link to the audio as well. It is very clear that what happened was an attempt at humor that went to far by anyone's standards. There is no lie. Only your denial. As you have read (and posted here) a transcript, why do you persist in promulgating a falsehood? From your own transcript posting: Caller: One more question: Why don't the American people see that the entire Bush Family are crooks? Randi: Well that would-- C: Neil, Jeb, George Senior Iran Contra, and and and now Dopey R: And what was involved.. what do they have in common? All of these things? C: It's all money. R: They all stole. They stole from banks. They stole from Pakistani banks; they stole from American banks; they stole from small banks, big banks, neighborhood banks. They stole from MY bank. My bank was uh this Savings and Loan of Broward-- C: Yup R: --and Jeb took care of that bank. Jeb actually bought a building that was uh you know took a mortgage on the building of four million dollars and then just you know said he couldnt pay the.. the the the uh the note you know the mortgage and the bank totally went belly up and the tax payers had to bail out that bank too. I mean-- C: They're thieves; they're the Corleones and as you said-- R: They ARE the Corelones! C: --and now we're down to Fredo. R: Well I gotta find... Well right, we've got the Fredo of the family is the President of the United States! So uh why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing C: Yeah-- R: You know C: --on a row boat R: Yeah and let him say some Hail Marys C: I'll bet Bush does have a little dingy R: Yeah.. take him out and you know "Hail Mary, full of grace, God is with you-" [Randi makes the sound of a blast] ... Works for me. C: Absolutely, thank you-- R: Thank you... I don't think you can say that anymore. I really don't. You will see. No Godfather references when it comes to the Bush family. Nope! Now, please tell me, where in that transcripet are the words Newsmax "quoted"? From http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/12/153908.shtml, where the whole flap started: Comparing Bush and his family to the Corleones of "Godfather" fame, Air America host Randi Rhodes reportedly unleashed this zinger during her Monday night broadcast: "Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw." [ end quote ] Newsmax lied, made up a "quote" that was much worse than the innocent reference Rhodes made to her favorite movie, and that phony "quote" was what the press repeated. Please do not pretend otherwise; the facts are not on your side. -- "I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S. |
Imus may be a raving lunatic, but he's not an ideological raving lunatic.
-Steve Was wondering how Imus manages to retain so many mainstream national advertisers given the tone & content of his show ? Rich (or anyone else), can you please comment on this ? Seems to be an exception to the rule, or perhaps I'm misinterpreting something. |
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