AIR AMERICA In Deep Financial Crisis
 

Some day, business students will study the failure of the Air America
network.

Though so many reasons can be explored, it's my opinion that the primary
reason for the network's eventual fall has to do with its attempt to start
out on top.

You can't simply target Rush on a national scale and expect to beat him.
Rush is a consummate radio broadcasting professional who started at the very
bottom and worked his way to the very top. He didn't start out trying to
force his political opinion on any one. He took his top 40 superjock persona
into the talk radio segment, and people enjoyed the product. Through hard
work and perseverance, his show grew exponentially. He's not a conservative
who happens to be a radio entertainer. He's a radio entertainer who happens
to be a conservative. So could liberal talk radio succeed? Of course. Howard
Stern and Don Imus are two fine examples who come to mind.

Radio is not an easy medium to conquer. It's not simply TV without pictures.
To really succeed in radio requires one to start at the bottom, listen to
radio every waking hour, find mentors to help you develop your personal
style, and prepare to work very hard for very little money. You'll probably
go through a couple of spouses pretty quickly.

Some day, there will be someone who beats Rush. But I don't think it will
come from an organization like Air America. Instead, I think it will come
from an individual who is in love with radio and can't stand being #2.

In article , "Ken Finney" wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a "network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking

--
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

"Larry Weil" wrote in message
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In article , "Ken Finney"
wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".

On 23 Jun 2004 21:39:59 GMT, Larry Weil ("Larry") writes:

Larry In article , "Ken Finney" wrote:

In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a "network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.

Larry Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking

What media network is the NRA running that they intend as a sham
to get around campaign finance laws and then shut down next year?
I haven't heard of this until you mentioned it.

In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so).

There are lots of folks in that boat who want to be on the radio but don't
want to be in the radio business.

"Ken Finney" wrote in message
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"Larry Weil" wrote in message
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In article , "Ken Finney"
wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not
that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws
exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation
down
after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".


Excellent point, and, speaking of Air America and NPR, shouldn't there
be a place at Air America for Terry Gross?

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"Larry Weil" wrote in message
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In article , "Ken Finney"
wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".


KF - Why, Isn't NPR 'fair' and 'balanced' ? [NOT!] ~ RHF

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Within these hallowed halls, Larry Weil of added the
following to the collective conscience:
In article , "Ken Finney"
wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network", unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the
operation down after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking

Naw, they'd just shoot their mouths off.

Come on, someone had to say it. ;-)

Within these hallowed halls, T. Early of
added the following to the collective conscience:
"Ken Finney" wrote in message
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"Larry Weil" wrote in message
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In article , "Ken Finney"
wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network", unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the
operation down after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".


Excellent point, and, speaking of Air America and NPR, shouldn't there
be a place at Air America for Terry Gross?

I always thought, shouldn't there be a place at NPR for Air America? I
know, wherever I've lived, there being at least half a dozen Public FMs
(88.1-91.9) that could take some of AA's broadcast day.

"Ken Finney" wrote in message ...
"Larry Weil" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ken Finney"
wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".

Perhaps because Air America has every intent to remain in
business--they just happened to come on the air during an election
campaign.

Perhaps you can tell us what your problem with the First Amendment is.

In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a "network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.

This kind of theory is interesting but pretty far-fetched. It's much
simpler than that. Awesomely bad management with a truly faulty
business model. It's that simple.

I think it was a bunch of cocky TV "radio can't be very hard" people
who came to realize that lying about their bank account and ridiculing
the head of the two major markets they needed the most wasn't the best
approach.

If Rush Limbaugh, with 600+ stations, can't influence an election, Air
America with 6 isn't going to have much better luck.

Rich

"Rich Wood" wrote in message
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In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation
down
after the election.

This kind of theory is interesting but pretty far-fetched. It's much
simpler than that. Awesomely bad management with a truly faulty
business model. It's that simple.

I think it was a bunch of cocky TV "radio can't be very hard" people
who came to realize that lying about their bank account and
ridiculing
the head of the two major markets they needed the most wasn't the
best
approach.

If Rush Limbaugh, with 600+ stations, can't influence an election,
Air
America with 6 isn't going to have much better luck.

Rich

This is not an endorsement of Rush, but I'm not sure I agree with your
premise there. While the Limbaughs of the world perpetually are
preaching to the choir, IMO they are responsible for getting a fair
amount of people to the polls who might otherwise sit home on their
a**. To me, that's at least potentially influencing an election,
particularly a close one.

"Mark Jeffries" wrote in message
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"Ken Finney" wrote in message
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"Larry Weil" wrote in message
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In article , "Ken Finney"
wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation
down
after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".

Perhaps because Air America has every intent to remain in
business--they just happened to come on the air during an election
campaign.

Perhaps you can tell us what your problem with the First Amendment is.


I have no problem with the First Amendment. I have just stated that
I believe that the people behind AA have no intention of "making it
a success". Of course, you can't admit that, and will deny it
whenever it comes up.

MJ,

"Perhaps you can tell us what your problem with the First Amendment is."
[ One pauses for a Clintonian-Moment . . .
as we attempt to Define what 'is' "IS" ]

Back to the First Amendment - I have NO Problem with the First Amendment.

Because I Believe in the Bill of Rights and All Ten Amendments there-in.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html

Including the Second Amendment [.]

From My Cold Dead Hands . . .
The Bill of Rights in My Left Hand and My Gun in My Right Hand ~ RHF
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= = = (Mark Jeffries) wrote in message
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"Ken Finney" wrote in message ...
"Larry Weil" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ken Finney"
wrote:


In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a
"network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.

Ya mean like the NRA is trying to do? ducking


Funny thing, I heard a lot of NRA bashing on NPR last weekend
over this "loophole" in the law, I've never heard any Air America
bashing on NPR over this "loophole".

Perhaps because Air America has every intent to remain in
business--they just happened to come on the air during an election
campaign.

Perhaps you can tell us what your problem with the First Amendment is.
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21C BBS wrote:
I always thought, shouldn't there be a place at NPR for Air America? I
know, wherever I've lived, there being at least half a dozen Public FMs
(88.1-91.9) that could take some of AA's broadcast day.

AA is too far right for NPR.

--
Spammers are people who are too lazy and cowardly to rob liquor stores, but
still want to make money by stealing instead of working.
-- Morely Dotes, The Open Sourceror's Apprentice

On 26 Jun 2004 04:33:33 GMT, clifto wrote:

AA is too far right for NPR.

Can you document that? FAIR has recently done an analysis of NPR and
came up with figures that clearly dispute your claim. FAIR counts
quite a few more conservatives as guests on NPR than knee-jerk
anti-NPR people are used to complaining about.

I don't recall hearing a single conservative guest on Air America.
That would make Air America much farther left (by their own admission
and promotion) than NPR.

Rich

"Rich Wood" wrote in message
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On 26 Jun 2004 04:33:33 GMT, clifto wrote:

AA is too far right for NPR.

Can you document that? FAIR has recently done an analysis of NPR and
came up with figures that clearly dispute your claim. FAIR counts
quite a few more conservatives as guests on NPR than knee-jerk
anti-NPR people are used to complaining about.

I don't recall hearing a single conservative guest on Air America.
That would make Air America much farther left (by their own admission
and promotion) than NPR.

I think it was Boortz who said he was on Frankin. He also said never again.

On 28 Jun 2004 16:38:10 GMT, "Paul Jensen"
wrote:

I don't recall hearing a single conservative guest on Air America.
That would make Air America much farther left (by their own admission
and promotion) than NPR.

I think it was Boortz who said he was on Frankin. He also said never again.

Why on God's earth would Franken interview another talk show host,
unless the shows were simulcast and Franken could get exposure on
Boortz's stations? Did Boortz do something of news value that almost
required an interview?

Of course "never again." What did Boortz expect? Probably the same
treatment a liberal would get on a conservative show. Two absolutely
immovable objects ranting at each other. Same ol, same ol.

Rich

Rich Wood wrote in message ...
On 26 Jun 2004 04:33:33 GMT, clifto wrote:

AA is too far right for NPR.

Can you document that? FAIR has recently done an analysis of NPR and
came up with figures that clearly dispute your claim. FAIR counts
quite a few more conservatives as guests on NPR than knee-jerk
anti-NPR people are used to complaining about.

I don't recall hearing a single conservative guest on Air America.
That would make Air America much farther left (by their own admission
and promotion) than NPR.

Rich

RW,

In the past when former president Clinton was president.
NPR referred to him as President Clinton.

Now what does NPR do when referring to "President Bush"
they use negative omissions and detractive code words:
simply referring to the President as "Bush" or 'mister' "Bush"
and the "Bush" 'administration'.

NPR is the primary propaganda organ for the Liberal Media ELITE [.]

So Say I, My Opinions Stated As Facts ~ RHF

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"Paul Jensen" wrote in
:

I think it was Boortz who said he was on Frankin. He also said never
again.

Franken caught Boortz in a lie about having offered Franken to guest-host
Boortz's show (back before AA existed), and saying that Franken had
refused because Boorts wouldn't allow him to control the phone callers.

Franken called Boortz on the lie while on the phone with him, playing the
tape of Boortz lying, then forcing Boortz to admit that he had lied. I
heard the segment. Boortz came off as a lying, blowhard putz.

Of COURSE Boortz said "never again" after that.

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"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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"Paul Jensen" wrote in
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I think it was Boortz who said he was on Frankin. He also said
never
again.

Franken caught Boortz in a lie about having offered Franken to
guest-host
Boortz's show (back before AA existed), and saying that Franken had
refused because Boorts wouldn't allow him to control the phone
callers.

Franken called Boortz on the lie while on the phone with him,
playing the
tape of Boortz lying, then forcing Boortz to admit that he had lied.
I
heard the segment. Boortz came off as a lying, blowhard putz.


Lying, blowhard putz? Speaking of Michael Moore, did you ever pin
down the alleged "lie" by Fred Barnes that had the humor-challenged
all in a tizzy?

Quoth "T. Early" in news:cbqv44$t64$1
@xuxa.iecc.com:

Lying, blowhard putz? Speaking of Michael Moore, did you ever pin
down the alleged "lie" by Fred Barnes that had the humor-challenged
all in a tizzy?

Last I heard, Barnes never called Franken back.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Mark Jeffries" wrote in message
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(RHF) wrote in message
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In the past when former president Clinton was president.
NPR referred to him as President Clinton.

Now what does NPR do when referring to "President Bush"
they use negative omissions and detractive code words:
simply referring to the President as "Bush" or 'mister' "Bush"
and the "Bush" 'administration'.

Just another troll with a bad memory. NPR, and many other news organisations, will
use all three forms just to avoid being repetitive. Regardless of the person or
party holding the office. Same goes for Representatives and Senators. Shheeessshhh!

Could we PLEASE refrain from keeping these useless, wasteful and off-topic threads
(although this one is less so than most of the crap that's been droning on-and-on for
the last two weeks) from bloating this newsgroup? I, and I'm sure quite a bunch
more, would appreciate it! By now you should know who is and who is not worth
engaging. Use that knowledge to do the best thing, which is to just ignore them. Or
put them in your kill file. They can't talk to themselves (although there may be a
few who don't quite meet that criteria, either)!
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There must always be the appearance of lawfulness....especially when the law's being
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For direct replies, take out the contents between the hyphens. -Really!-

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(RHF) wrote in message ...
In the past when former president Clinton was president.
NPR referred to him as President Clinton.

Now what does NPR do when referring to "President Bush"
they use negative omissions and detractive code words:
simply referring to the President as "Bush" or 'mister' "Bush"
and the "Bush" 'administration'.

Documentation, please--and don't just copy from NewsMax.

The President is generally always referred to in the first reference
as "President ---" and in the second reference as "Mr. ---." That's
basic AP Stylebook.

I did a search on npr.org and found 3,518 pages that have on them
"President Bush." Granted, some of them may refer to George H.W. Bush
and are likely not transcripts of stories that are audio hyperlinked,
but it seems to me that NPR is following basic stylebook on references
to the President.

And at NPR, as at many other journalistic organizations, the President
is always heard last in a story, no matter what party he belongs to.
That's also pretty much Journalism 101.

NPR is the primary propaganda organ for the Liberal Media ELITE [.]

Then why are the extreme left-wing nutsos at FAIR continually
attacking NPR for right-wing bias?

MJ,

Because to use your words they are "extreme left-wing nutsos at FAIR"

NPR may be Left-Wing and Liberal but it is not Extreme [.]
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Why does Amy Goodman of Pacifica refer to NPR
as part of "corporate media?"

You feel that NewsMax is not creditable but then cite Pacifica ?
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Why did I hear a bunch of hardcore lefties at
a forum I once attended *boo* a mention of NPR?

Because to use your words they are "hardcore lefties"

TIP - Find a Forum were you fit-in and do NOT view the other
members as either 'extreme' or 'hardcore' Lefties or Righties.
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As far as I'm concerned, if the extremist wackos on both sides hate
NPR, they must be doing something right.

So Two Wrongs Do Make a Right :o) ~ RHF

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On 2 Jul 2004 14:52:13 GMT, RHF ("RHF") writes:

RHF "Lock and Load the Latest" - New York Times - July 1, 2004
RHF NYT= http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/op...01THU4.html?th
RHF The National Rifle Association has begun a three-hour daily
RHF show on satellite radio, a transparent exercise in
RHF propaganda disguised as journalism.

The NRA, an organization that has been in business for over 100 years,
is an established national media outlet which has up till now been
involved in television and magazines (it has more subscribers than,
for example, "Newsweek"). Now they've added issue-oriented radio.

That's different from Air America, whose programming seems to
be entirely devoted to a particular canndidate (George Bush).

The only thing in common is that they are both are engaging in
what is supposed to be the most protected class of free speech.

Last week while I was near New York City I tuned in Air America on WLIB. I
didn't hear any seroius discussions concerning the elections or anything
else. All I heard were "comedy bits" and chatter.

Quoth "Blue Cat" in :

Last week while I was near New York City I tuned in Air America on WLIB. I
didn't hear any seroius discussions concerning the elections or anything
else. All I heard were "comedy bits" and chatter.

What time did you tune in? Different programs have a different mix of
content.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

In article , "Ken Finney" wrote:

In my opinion, Air America NEVER intended to be a success (not that
they wouldn't mind being so). The new campaign finance laws exempt
"media" (or words to that effect) from the law. So, you set up a "network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.

Yeah but for that to work, you need someone listening.

John Webster

On 16 Jul 2004 05:45:07 GMT, (John Webster)
wrote:

So, you set up a "network",
unabashedly attack on of the parties, and then shut the operation down
after the election.

Yeah but for that to work, you need someone listening.

Very true. If Air America were set up to influence an election it
would a horrible waste of money with the limited coverage. Let's also
understand that all affiliates don't carry all shows, so that further
dilutes the political influence they might have.

Rich