Truth wrote:

Regardless of where you want to call it, the FACT remains that Microwave Ovens were
manufactured that cooked your food with frequencies in the 800 Mhz region.

So, since we can cook food and heat at 800 Mhz, and since cell phones are using the
same frequency range, we can make a definite connection here.


Three things:

1) You need to recheck the frequency of the magnetrons in microwave
ovens.
2) You need to recompare the power levels between microwave ovens and
cell phones (*cough* 0.3 W v. 1500 W, a factor of 5000 difference
*cough*)
3) *Plonk*

So, since we can cook food and heat at 800 Mhz, and since cell phones are
using the
same frequency range, we can make a definite connection here.

since we will die if we walk into a blast furnace we has best not even light
a candle.
great logic

Any attempt to shift the discussion to one about where we now want to
classify the
word "microwaves" to be appropriate is just childish and ignorant, and
nothing more
than diversion from the point about cell phones being dangerous.

cell phones don't even make good blunt instrument any more, just too light.


LEGAL exposure to certain RF in Russia can be different than the LEGAL
limits in the
US. As if RF follows any of these laws, or as if a cell phone is not
going to harm
you just because you change the definition of what can be legally called
microwaves.

your wild allegations are unsupported by any credible sources.


What was considered low blood pressure a decade ago, is now being called
high blood
pressure in an attempt to sell more medication and make more money.

an unwarranted assumption

Just the AMA
changing the imaginary boundary line did not make us all suddenly have
high blood
pressure, just as your changing what is now considered microwaves has no
effect on
this issue either.


since the dawn if time he earth has been drenched in radio waves and
radiation. since the advent of electromagnetic telecommunications and power
grid distribution mans lifespan has dramatically increased. therefore radio
waves are good for you.

"Truth" wrote in message ...

So, since we can cook food and heat at 800 Mhz, and since cell phones are
using the
same frequency range, we can make a definite connection here.

Where is the scientific data on this? Cite? Link?


--
McWebber
No email replies read
If someone tells you to forward an email to all your friends
please forget that I'm your friend.

"Truth" wrote in message ...
What if the government issues a statement that smoking cigarettes is
good for you
and gets rid of cholesterol? Would you start smoking?

Uhhhhhh.... yes?

How sad for you. Go have another Diet Coke with Aspartame.

What's wrong with aspartame?

Just wait until all the kids using cell phones today don't live to even
get to
retirement age.

There are people using cell phones now that have been using them for more
than 20 years in Japan. How long do you think it will take for the epidemic
to show up?


--
McWebber
No email replies read
If someone tells you to forward an email to all your friends
please forget that I'm your friend.

Tim Perry wrote:
since the dawn if time he earth has been drenched in radio waves and
radiation. since the advent of electromagnetic telecommunications and power
grid distribution mans lifespan has dramatically increased. therefore radio
waves are good for you.

By that reasoning, so are carbon dioxide and feces.

--
"The Democrats are all over this. Democratic strategists feel John Kerry's
war record means he can beat Bush. They say when it comes down to it, voters
will always vote for a war hero over someone who tried to get out of the war.
I'll be sure to mention that to Bob Dole when I see him." -- Jay Leno

Truth wrote:

To oversimplify a bit: Low frequencies (like AM broadcast) pass through
the body without being absorbed. Microwave frequencies bounce off the body
without being absorbed.


ROTFFL!!!

Why not PROVE your ridiculous theory by putting your head into a microwave oven!

.......yeah. I didn't think so.


.....or by leaning against a 50,000 watt AM antenna while standing on the
ground.

McWebber wrote:
"Truth" wrote in message ...

What if the government issues a statement that smoking cigarettes is

good for you

and gets rid of cholesterol? Would you start smoking?

Uhhhhhh.... yes?

How sad for you. Go have another Diet Coke with Aspartame.


What's wrong with aspartame?


Just wait until all the kids using cell phones today don't live to even

get to

retirement age.


There are people using cell phones now that have been using them for more
than 20 years in Japan. How long do you think it will take for the epidemic
to show up?


No one knows.

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Mister Fact wrote:

Certainly my reply was not related to any physical
harm which might result from radio waves themselves-
but since the message board has to do with radio
broadcasting in general- I thought it would be a good
opportunity to inject ANOTHER TYPE OF MEDICAL HARM
which I see inherent in AM broadcasting today.


Isn't that what Rush Limbaugh was doing? Injecting another
type of harmful medicine?
--scott

The thread is a bit ambiguous. I think AM radio can be harmful if talk
show hosts thereon are dividing peoples.

Tim Perry wrote:

"Truth" wrote in message ...

There is still no commercially-available equipment for the 902 MHz

amateur

band that I am aware of.

Using commercially-available equipment is cheating anyway. What does it
take to modify PCS cellular phone firmware for digital communication on
902? Is it just a matter of firmware or isn't the RF section able to

tune

that far out of band?

Think of it this way. When you have an FM broadcast antenna and

transmitter, it

makes quite a difference when switching within the same band from 88 Mhz

to 100

Mhz. (only 12 Mhz)

Now you want to take something from around 850 Mhz to 902 Mhz (52 Mhz
difference)

Plus the higher up you go, the more critical the circuitry. Even in

the 440

band you are already dealing with microsurgery when using the miniature

surface

mount components.


pretty might the same for all hand held electronics these days


Besides, working with microwaves is never a good idea.


everyone has to have a hobby... 900 MHz are NOT microwaves (we call it
microwave in brroadcast, but it is a slang term for high UHF)

Might as well just take

up smoking cigarettes instead.

I would play with mercury and use lead paint in my home no problem, but I

would

not ever build a transmitter and use microwave frequencies.



gunplexers are friendly... bi-directional line-of-sight audio




How did a disussion about AM radio (later microwave RF) change to audio?

David Eduardo wrote:

"Bob Haberkost" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
...

Huh? AM stations essentially always have vertical radiators, especially
in
Europe where there are so many high powered stations.

In general, AMs don't work very well otherwise.


This concludes your antenna theory class for the day. ;-)


Very interesting discussion. Thanks.

How about introducing the masses to franklin antennas, such as the system
still in use at KFBK in Sacramento. I believe KDKA once had one, too. I saw
one in South America that had no real ground system, just the two elements
of the Frnklin and a ground mat at the base.


There's a Franklin at N 41.6 and w 93.3:

http://www.desmoinesbroadcasting.com...use _9867.jpg