On 21 Sep 2004 02:42:58 GMT, Mark Crispin
wrote:

It will otherwise blow over. Being liberal means never having to say that
you're sorry (or admit being wrong).

I've noticed that trait among Conservatives, as well. FOX News isn't
known for retractions.

The trait appears to be universal.

Rich

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Rich Wood wrote:
I've noticed that trait among Conservatives, as well. FOX News isn't
known for retractions.

How many times has FOX News been caught broadcasting as *fact* something
that their own fact-checkers said was probably fake?

At least to date, FOX News has been quite a bit more careful than CBS.

FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media
bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the
right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left.
FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news.

There is no conservative news channel.

-- Mark --

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Rich Wood wrote:
I've noticed that trait among Conservatives, as well. FOX News isn't
known for retractions.

How many times has FOX News been caught broadcasting as *fact* something
that their own fact-checkers said was probably fake?

At least to date, FOX News has been quite a bit more careful than CBS.

FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media
bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the
right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left.
FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news.


What did the study examine? News? Or all of the Fox broadcasts including
their commentators?

--
McWebber
"Richter points to the lack of legal action against his company as proof
that he's operating appropriately."
Information Week, November 10, 2003

McWebber wrote:


What did the study examine? News? Or all of the Fox broadcasts including
their commentators?


Quote from the study:

" Few studies provide an objective measure of the slant of news,
and none has provided a way to link such a measure to ideological
measures of other political actors. That is, none of the existing
measures can say, for example, whether the New York Times is more
liberal than Tom Daschle or whether Fox News is more conservative
than Bill Frist. We provide such a measure. Namely, we compute an
ADA score for various news outlets, including the New York Times,
the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, the Drudge Report, Fox News?
Special Report, and all three networks? nightly news shows.

Our results show a very significant liberal bias. All of the
news outlets except Fox News? Special Report received a score to the
left of the average member of Congress. Moreover, by one of our
measures all but three of these media outlets (Special Report, the
Drudge Report, and ABC?s World News Tonight) were closer to the
average Democrat in Congress than to the median member of the House
of Representatives. One of our measures found that the Drudge
Report is the most centrist of all media outlets in our sample. Our
other measure found that Fox News? Special Report is the most
centrist. These findings refer strictly to the news stories of the
outlets. That is, we omitted editorials, book reviews, and letters
to the editor from our sample. "

Doug McDonald

In article ,
Doug McDonald wrote:

McWebber wrote:


What did the study examine? News? Or all of the Fox broadcasts including
their commentators?


Quote from the study:

" Few studies provide an objective measure of the slant of news,
and none has provided a way to link such a measure to ideological
measures of other political actors. That is, none of the existing
measures can say, for example, whether the New York Times is more
liberal than Tom Daschle or whether Fox News is more conservative
than Bill Frist. We provide such a measure. Namely, we compute an
ADA score for various news outlets, including the New York Times,
the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, the Drudge Report, Fox News?
Special Report, and all three networks? nightly news shows.

Our results show a very significant liberal bias. All of the
news outlets except Fox News? Special Report received a score to the
left of the average member of Congress. Moreover, by one of our
measures all but three of these media outlets (Special Report, the
Drudge Report, and ABC?s World News Tonight) were closer to the
average Democrat in Congress than to the median member of the House
of Representatives. One of our measures found that the Drudge
Report is the most centrist of all media outlets in our sample. Our
other measure found that Fox News? Special Report is the most
centrist. These findings refer strictly to the news stories of the
outlets. That is, we omitted editorials, book reviews, and letters
to the editor from our sample. "

Doug McDonald



One man's liberalism is another man's conservatism. The "average member
of Congress" would look like an antideluvian right-winger in England.
Ditto in the US of the late 1940s.

But in the US the whole "true left" end ot the spectrum of public
opinion, socialism, is missing, neatly excised by the long pressure of
the Cold War. Now the American right wing is busily propogandizing us
into believing that traditional liberals, who have always been staunchly
pro-capitalist and are more like libertarians than anything else known,
are "leftists".

They'll probably succeed, too.

Leonard

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

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McWebber wrote:


What did the study examine? News? Or all of the Fox broadcasts including
their commentators?



snip irrelevant stuff

These findings refer strictly to the news stories of the
outlets.

And if anyone can watch the majority of the Fox network, (90% of which would
not be considered news stories), and still say they are not biased way to
the right, I'd like to see their nose grow as they say it.

--
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Mark Crispin wrote:

FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media
bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the
right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left.
FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news.

USA Today has no content! How can something that provides basically no
analysis and no actual information be biased in any way?

I mean, you could learn more from reading the cereal box....
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 23 Sep 2004 07:02:40 GMT, Mark Crispin
wrote:

FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media
bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the
right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left.
FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news.

There is no conservative news channel.

Damn! Tha must be good weed you're smoking!

Rich

Rich Wood wrote:

On 23 Sep 2004 07:02:40 GMT, Mark Crispin
wrote:


FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media
bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the
right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left.
FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news.

There is no conservative news channel.


Damn! Tha must be good weed you're smoking!



It's actually true. There are of course conservative
talk shows. But no actual "news channel" that is
consistently substantially to right of center. That's
exactly what the previously quoted showed.

All except Fox and MSNBC are very far left of center.

People who say things like "Fox is right wing" are
simply WRONG. They are weong because they are using
a cloud cookoo land definition of center. That is, they
simply assign themselves ... quite left wing people ...
as center.

Whe you ACTUALLY look at the real world, for example,
the Congress, Fox is very close to the center. If you
look at all the people, same result.

Doug McDonald

There are of course conservative talk shows. But no actual "news channel" that
is consistently substantially to right of center. That's exactly what the
previously quoted showed.

It showed nothing of the sort. All it CLAIMED was that FNC is not slanted to
the right. No proof was offered.

But, you just keep right on believing it if you want. Everyone is entitled to
their fantasy.