ROLDAIGNAULT wrote:

From: Scott Unit 69
| PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.:
| FEED THE TROLLS! | :=.' -

Keith made a legitimate request to take action to eliminate the code testing.
He provided the websites to do just that. If you happen to disagree with him on
that issue, it doesn't make it a troll post.

Keith wrote:
as soon as possible. The first protest is August 1st 6 pm local time on 28.306 USB


A troll is one who asks others to do something wrong. In this case, it is use of
10 meters without the proper class of license. The second part of his message is
something that can be done. If you wish to use 10 meters in violation of your
ticket, so be it, it's your NAL, pay it if you want.


His message is half-troll, half good idea. I think we all just need to sit
back and wait a few more months to see what happens. You would be better off
complaining about BPL. If it happens, HF won't mean ****, CW or not.
(Also CB, MW, TV 2 thru 6, 6 meters, VHF lo band and harmonics out the wazoo)

wrote:

A troll is one who asks others to do something wrong. In this case, it is use of
10 meters without the proper class of license.

Could you please quote the part about people using 10 meters
illegally????????????

If it wasn't someone using the name "Keith", someone also posting from
newsguy was suggesting the use of 10 meters by techs in protest.

Now you're gonna' tell me it's not the same guy, just because you're you.
You may drag Frank into a ****ing contest, but I see right through your BS.

Are you related to stewart (horseshoe7)?

I can smell a troll a dialup away...

Subject: ATTN: Tech Licensee USA Morse Code Freedom Day is August 1st
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:54:43 -0700
From:
Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.cb




Let the FCC know that they can no longer keep you from your right to use the
ten meter band allocation if you are a technician licensee. The international
requirement for morse code has been removed and there is no such thing as a
technician plus license.
You don't have to use your identity, but no code technicians need to finally
speak out to the FCC they will no longer be oppressed by rules designed for the
stone age of electronic technology.
Get on the air at 6pm local time on August 1st or if the band is open any time
to make contacts in the 28.300-28.500 MHz that is allocated to technicians for
voice. Or if you have a computer you can use the allocated technician CW bands
to send and receive morse code.
Currently the FCC and ARRL want to drag this morse code requirement out for
one or two years while they put BPL and other technology on the fast track. I
will be on the air and I hope 10,000 or more no code technicians will join me.
I guess Hollingsworth will have to require 10,000 people to turn in their CW
proficiency certificate if YOU will join us.
The morse code game is over and I'm not driving 55 when the speed limit is
really 70 mph and the government hasn't changed the signs yet. Just go by the
limitation of your technician license and don't go overboard, we want to show
that just because we didn't pass some dinosaur morse code test that we are bad
operators.
Get on 28.306 USB at 6 PM local time to talk with other no code tech's that
are protesting the FCC and ARRL stupidity.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:53:15 -0400, Scott Unit 69
wrote:



wrote:

A troll is one who asks others to do something wrong. In this case, it is use of
10 meters without the proper class of license.

Could you please quote the part about people using 10 meters
illegally????????????

If it wasn't someone using the name "Keith", someone also posting from
newsguy was suggesting the use of 10 meters by techs in protest.

Now you're gonna' tell me it's not the same guy, just because you're you.
You may drag Frank into a ****ing contest, but I see right through your BS.

You responded to his original post calling it a troll post. The
post is not a troll post at all. If you see it as a troll post then it
is only in your imagination, so I will ask you again. Can you please
QUOTE the part about people using 10 meters illegally?????????

P.S. A quote is not imaginary.

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:53:15 -0400, Scott Unit 69

wrote:

If it wasn't someone using the name "Keith", someone also posting from
newsguy was suggesting the use of 10 meters by techs in protest.

It is not illegal for a technician to transmit voice on 28.300 to 28.500
MHz.
Has the tech passed the morse code test? There is no way to know since the
FCC
doesn't keep track of which techs pass the cw test and I don't need to
supply
that information to anyone.
It is a great big loop hole and a great way to protest stupid radio
rules.



Even though the FCC does not maintain the info in their database, you will
certainly have to be able to provide proof via the appropriate documentation
that you do have the privileges should you ever receive an NAL from the FCC.
That means that the burden of proof will lie on the Technicians to prove
they have the privileges not on the FCC to prove that they don't. The FCC
will most likely maintain that anyone who cannot provide that proof does not
have the privileges. You may think you have a loophole but you don't. So
you had better keep that CSCE or old Novice license or old Tech Plus license
in a safe place.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

wrote in message
...

You responded to his original post calling it a troll post. The
post is not a troll post at all. If you see it as a troll post then it
is only in your imagination, so I will ask you again. Can you please
QUOTE the part about people using 10 meters illegally?????????

P.S. A quote is not imaginary.


Use your imagination and reread this part of his post. also where he calls
on Cbers to help out.

"A group to protest the requirement of morse code for properly licensed
technician licensee. And to remove the morse code test from ham radio
testing
as soon as possible. The first protest is August 1st 6 pm local time on
28.306
USB "

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:42:28 -0400, "IP Daily" spade#abc.com wrote:


wrote in message
.. .

You responded to his original post calling it a troll post. The
post is not a troll post at all. If you see it as a troll post then it
is only in your imagination, so I will ask you again. Can you please
QUOTE the part about people using 10 meters illegally?????????

P.S. A quote is not imaginary.


Use your imagination and reread this part of his post. also where he calls
on Cbers to help out.


You have a VERY active imagination. He asked for " properly licensed "
individuals to help out on Aug 1. The other method he described was
for CBers and others to contact the FCC He did this by posting the
message in rec.radio.cb

"A group to protest the requirement of morse code for properly licensed
technician licensee. And to remove the morse code test from ham radio
testing
as soon as possible. The first protest is August 1st 6 pm local time on
28.306
USB "

On 24 Jul 2003 23:02:01 GMT, wrote:

wrote:
A troll is one who asks others to do something wrong. In this case, it
is use of 10 meters without the proper class of license.

Could you please quote the part about people using 10 meters
illegally????????????

Those are all CBer's.

CBers are folks who operate in the Citizens' Band Radio Service on
frequencies allocated to that service under Part 95.

Folks who operate on frequencies where they have no business being are
called "pirates" or "bootleggers" (and some other names that I won't
print here because they might offend someone's sensibilities).

73 DE John, KC2HMZ

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:23:45 -0700, Keith
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:53:15 -0400, Scott Unit 69
wrote:

If it wasn't someone using the name "Keith", someone also posting from
newsguy was suggesting the use of 10 meters by techs in protest.

It is not illegal for a technician to transmit voice on 28.300 to 28.500 MHz.
Has the tech passed the morse code test? There is no way to know since the FCC
doesn't keep track of which techs pass the cw test and I don't need to supply
that information to anyone.

Yes, there is a way to tell. If you passed Element 1 you were given a
CSCE for it. Now that FCC no longer keeps track in their database of
who has Element 1 credit and who doesn't, it is incumbent upon the
licensee to retain that CSCE as proof that you passed a code test. If
you're heard operating on HF and FCC asks you to prove that you have
Element 1 credit and you are unable to do so, you're subject to
enforcement action up to and including the loss of your license.

It is a great big loop hole and a great way to protest stupid radio rules.

No, it's a great way to lose your license.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:07:10 -0700, Keith
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:41:54 -0400, "Spamhater" wrote:

. you need a TECHNICIAN PLUS or higher
license to get on 10 meters

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TECHNICIAN PLUS LICENSE IN THE FCC RULES OR
REGULATIONS. IF YOU GO TAKE A TECH TEST YOU ARE A TECH. IF YOU PASS A 5 WPM
TEST YOU ARE STILL A TECH.
Ignorance is bliss.

Then you must have a very blissful existence, Keith. Read on, and let
the facts rid you of your ignorance as I show you numerous references
to the Technician Plus license in the FCC rules. When you're done you
can check to verify that I haven't falsified any of this by going to
http://www.arrl.org/files/infoserv/rib/part97.txt and reading Part 97
for yourself - which you should have done in the first place so that
you had your facts straight BEFORE you opened your mouth to change
which foot was in it:

§97.5 Station license grant required.
snip
(2) A club station license grant. A club station license
grant may be held only by the person who is the license
trustee designated by an officer of the club. The trustee
must be a person who holds an Amateur Extra, Advanced,
General, Technician Plus, or Technician operator license
grant. The club must be composed of at least four persons
and must have a name, a document of organization,
management, and a primary purpose devoted to amateur service
activities consistent with this part.

§97.9 Operator license.
(a) The classes of amateur operator license grants a
Novice, Technician, Technician Plus (until such licenses
expire, a Technician Class license granted before February
14, 1991, is considered a Technician Plus Class license),
General, Advanced, and Amateur Extra. The person named in
the operator license grant is authorized to be the control
operator of an amateur station with the privileges
authorized to the operator class specified on the license
grant.
(b) The person named in an operator license grant of Novice,
Technician, Technician Plus, General or Advanced Class, who
has properly submitted to the administering VEs a FCC Form
605 document requesting examination for an operator license
grant of a higher class, and who holds a CSCE indicating
that the person has completed the necessary examinations
within the previous 365 days, is authorized to exercise the
rights and privileges of the higher operator class until
final disposition of the application or until 365 days
following the passing of the examination, whichever comes
first.

§97.17 Application for new license grant.
(a) Any qualified person is eligible to apply for a new
operator/primary station, club station or military
recreation station license grant. No new license grant will
be issued for a Novice, Technician Plus, or Advanced Class
operator/primary station or RACES station.
snip

§97.21 Application for a modified or renewed license.
snip
(3) May apply to the FCC for renewal of the license grant
for another term in accordance with §1.913 of this chapter.
Application for renewal of a Technician Plus Class
operator/primary station license will be processed as an
application for renewal of a Technician Class
operator/primary station license.

§97.119 Station identification.
snip
(f) When the control operator who is exercising the rights
and privileges authorized by §97.9(b) of this Part, an
indicator must be included after the call sign as follows:
(1) For a control operator who has requested a license
modification from Novice to Technician Class: KT;
(2) For a control operator who has requested a license
modification from Novice, Technician or Technician Plus
Class to General Class: AG;
(3) For a control operator who has requested a license
modification from Novice, Technician, Technician Plus,
General, or Advanced Class operator to Amateur Extra Class:
AE.

SUBPART C-SPECIAL OPERATIONS
§97.201 Auxiliary station.
(a) Any amateur station licensed to a holder of a
Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur
Extra Class operator license may be an auxiliary station. A
holder of a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced
or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be the control
operator of an auxiliary station, subject to the privileges
of the class of operator license held.

§97.203 Beacon station.
(a) Any amateur station licensed to a holder of a
Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur
Extra Class operator license may be a beacon. A holder of a
Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur
Extra Class operator license may be the control operator of
a beacon, subject to the privileges of the class of operator
license held.

SUBPART D-TECHNICAL STANDARDS
§97.301 Authorized frequency bands.
The following transmitting frequency bands are available to
an amateur station located within 50 km of the Earth's
surface, within the specified ITU Region, and outside any
area where the amateur service is regulated by any authority
other than the FCC.
(a) For a station having a control operator who has been
granted a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced, or
Amateur Extra Class operator license or who holds a CEPT
radio-amateur license or IARP of any class:
snip

§97.505 Element credit.
(a) The administering VEs must give credit as specified
below to an examinee holding any of the following license
grants or license documents:
(1) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for
renewal) FCC-granted Advanced Class operator license grant:
Elements 1, 2, and 3.
(2) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for
renewal) FCC-granted General Class operator license grant:
Elements 1, 2, and 3.
(3) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for
renewal) FCC-granted Technician Plus Class operator
(including a Technician Class operator license granted
before February 14, 1991) license grant: Elements 1 and 2.

§97.507 Preparing an examination.
(a) Each telegraphy message and each written question set
administered to an examinee must be prepared by a VE holding
an Amateur Extra Class operator license. A telegraphy
message or written question set may also be prepared for the
following elements by a VE holding an operator license of
the class indicated:
(1) Element 3: Advanced Class operator.
(2) Elements 1 and 2: Advanced, General, or Technician
(including Technician Plus) Class operators.
snip

Go back to 11 meters, troll...and don't come back until you know what
you're talking about.

DE John, KC2HMZ

Keith wrote:

The FCC does not have the man power or personal to police 200,000
techs that have the ability to access 28.300-28.500 MHz voice. Face
it the game is over, No code techs pick up your microphones and talk.

The Oregon State Police does not have the "man power or personal"
(sic) to police the 200,000 or more drivers who have the ability to
access I-5 northbound in the southbound lane. Drivers, jump into
your cars and DRIVE.....

What a jerk.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon