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Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row?
Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather
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"http://HireMe.geek.nz/" wrote in message
... Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? CBS can't "loose" (sic) its broadcast license because it doesn't have one. The individual stations owned by Viacom do have licenses, but the network really answers to noone. It only provides programming to its affiliate stations...therefore, nothing to "loose" (sic). |
In article , http://HireMe.geek.nz/
wrote: Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? CBS doesn't have "a" broadcasting license to "loose". They do own a number of stations, though, that have licenses. I doubt a journalistic mistake like this would cause someone to lose their license. Their audience, perhaps. Paul -- Paul Anderson OpenVMS Engineering Hewlett-Packard Company |
On Sun, 20 Sep 2004, http://HireMe.geek.nz/ wrote:
Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? In a word: no. Nor will Dan Rather be fired. Some underling will take the blame and get fired instead. It will otherwise blow over. Being liberal means never having to say that you're sorry (or admit being wrong). -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. |
http://HireMe.geek.nz/ wrote:
Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? CBS per se of course does not have a "broadcasting license". They don't broadcast ... just produce shows. They do own stations that need a license, of course. And of course those stations will not lose their licenses. The only way to lose a license is to frequently use the works "**** **** **** **** tit cock " etc., on the air, to show naked people, or to flagrantly and repeatedly run at a higher power than authorized. It is exceedingly difficult to lose a license. There is one and only one way to easily lose a license, and that is to get caught lying on an application. Doug McDonald |
"http://HireMe.geek.nz/" wrote in message ...
Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? Are you kidding? |
"http://HireMe.geek.nz/" wrote in message ... Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? Networks are not licensed. |
"http://HireMe.geek.nz/" wrote in message ... Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? On what basis would thier license be revoked? If getting the facts wrong in a news story where an offense (which it's not), I think every network in the world would be found guilty at one time or another. Should the networks which broadcast the Swift Boat Veteran's lies and fabrications be found guilty? |
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added the following to the collective conscience: Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? I don't think CBS would loose their license, but they'll have hell to pay from parent company Viacom. I'm hoping they get spanked royally by 1) removing the CBS network 2) move UPN to CBS affiliates (making them UPN affiliates) folding the programming from CBS into the new UPN 3) former UPN stations run first-run syndicated programming from Viacom* *Star Trek - The Next Generation from Paramount existed in first-run syndication and got good numbers But that's just IMHO, YMMV. ;-) |
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... Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? What row? -- McWebber No email replies read If someone tells you to forward an email to all your friends please forget that I'm your friend. |
http://HireMe.geek.nz/ wrote:
Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? It doesn't have a license to lose. Networks don't require licenses in the U.S.. The stations that air CBS network programs do require licenses and are subject to sanction. Some of these stations are owned by the CBS network - the majority aren't. It's highly unlikely any of the stations will be sanctioned either. There's no evidence CBS knew the documents were fake before they were aired - indeed, there is evidence that they *weren't* fake - and even if they knew the documents were fake that hasn't been grounds for FCC sanction in the past. -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
There's no realistic way this would affect their broadcasting license, only
their reputation. "http://HireMe.geek.nz/" wrote in message ... Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? |
For what? All they admitted to was making a mistake. They apologized
for that. So in today's Politically correct, all you have to do is say you're sorry world, everyone will forget in a week or so. Clay "http://HireMe.geek.nz/" wrote in message ... Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? |
Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather
row? No. Networks are not licensed. Only individual stations are. CBS's claim that it was duped will be accepted by all except (1) right-wing fanatics and (2) those who value the truth above politics, and life will go on as usual. GH |
Doug McDonald wrote:
to show naked people, or to flagrantly and repeatedly run at a higher power than authorized. There've been more than a few stations recently flagrantly & repeatedly running excessive power -- and still hold their licenses. It is exceedingly difficult to lose a license. This is a major understatementgrin! -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
"Mark Crispin" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Sep 2004, http://HireMe.geek.nz/ wrote: Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? In a word: no. Nor will Dan Rather be fired. Some underling will take the blame and get fired instead. Blame for what? -- McWebber No email replies read If someone tells you to forward an email to all your friends please forget that I'm your friend. |
Life is going to be hell for Viacom for the next 4 years if Bush is
reelected. It just goes to show... that if you're going to attack the king, you'd better make sure to kill him. -Steve "http://HireMe.geek.nz/" wrote in message ... Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? |
"Paul Anderson" wrote in message
... In article , http://HireMe.geek.nz/ wrote: Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? CBS doesn't have "a" broadcasting license to "loose". They do own a number of stations, though, that have licenses. I doubt a journalistic mistake like this would cause someone to lose their license. What mistake? -- McWebber No email replies read If someone tells you to forward an email to all your friends please forget that I'm your friend. |
"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message ... There've been more than a few stations recently flagrantly & repeatedly running excessive power -- and still hold their licenses. I know of one station that operated on an unauthorized frequency, from an unauthorized site, with an unauthorized pattern and power, and significantly interfered with a major station for more that a year. Complaints to the FCC did no good. Eventually the FCC told them to stop, pay a modest fine, and they were eventually licensed on the new frequency after really building the authorized facilities. As Doug says, it's hard to lose a license. The only case of a lost license in my area was a case of obvious lying to the FCC. That was close to 20 years ago. bob |
"McWebber" wrote in message ... "Mark Crispin" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Sep 2004, http://HireMe.geek.nz/ wrote: Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? In a word: no. Nor will Dan Rather be fired. Some underling will take the blame and get fired instead. Blame for what? .... presenting fake documents as a news story. |
"McWebber" wrote in message ... "Paul Anderson" wrote in message ... In article , http://HireMe.geek.nz/ wrote: Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? CBS doesn't have "a" broadcasting license to "loose". They do own a number of stations, though, that have licenses. I doubt a journalistic mistake like this would cause someone to lose their license. What mistake? .... presenting fake documents as real in a news story. |
"R J Carpenter" wrote in message ... "Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message ... There've been more than a few stations recently flagrantly & repeatedly running excessive power -- and still hold their licenses. I know of one station that operated on an unauthorized frequency, from an unauthorized site, with an unauthorized pattern and power, and significantly interfered with a major station for more that a year. Complaints to the FCC did no good. I know of two... WRHC in Miami (Coral Gables) and 106.5 in Culebra, PR, which was reassigned to 98.9 but built and ran on 106.5 anyway. |
"David Eduardo" wrote in message ... What mistake? ... presenting fake documents as real in a news story. There's some indication it wasn't a mistake ... and CBS knew that. |
"David Eduardo" wrote in message ... "McWebber" wrote in message ... "Paul Anderson" wrote in message ... In article , http://HireMe.geek.nz/ wrote: Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? CBS doesn't have "a" broadcasting license to "loose". They do own a number of stations, though, that have licenses. I doubt a journalistic mistake like this would cause someone to lose their license. What mistake? ... presenting fake documents as real in a news story. If you'd been following the story, the source, Burkett, was the one responsible for the misrepresentation, as he claimed that he was "pressured" into providing the name of the source, for the purposes of determining provenance for the documents in question. This is appropriate journalistic practice. While CBS does hold some responsibility for failing to fully prove that Burkett's claims were true, the fault for the hoax lies fully with Burkett, who could have easily told the truth about the documents' source. Holding Rather and CBS solely responsible for this fiasco is like me holding you responsible for the lies we've been told by the Bush Administration. But then, I do. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- If there's nothing that offends you in your community, then you know you're not living in a free society. Kim Campbell - ex-Prime Minister of Canada - 2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- For direct replies, take out the contents between the hyphens. -Really!- |
Life is going to be hell for Viacom for the next 4 years if Bush is reelected. And well is should. |
On 21 Sep 2004 02:42:58 GMT, Mark Crispin
wrote: It will otherwise blow over. Being liberal means never having to say that you're sorry (or admit being wrong). I've noticed that trait among Conservatives, as well. FOX News isn't known for retractions. The trait appears to be universal. Rich |
On 21 Sep 2004 17:36:52 GMT, "Steve" wrote:
Life is going to be hell for Viacom for the next 4 years if Bush is reelected. It just goes to show... that if you're going to attack the king, you'd better make sure to kill him. Nah. Just continue the political contributions and all will be well. Rich |
On 21 Sep 2004 02:43:12 GMT, "Badger"
wrote: For what? All they admitted to was making a mistake. They apologized for that. So in today's Politically correct, all you have to do is say you're sorry world, everyone will forget in a week or so. Even if you don't say you're sorry everyone will forget in a week or so. Rich |
On 20 Sep 2004 04:00:32 GMT, "http://HireMe.geek.nz/"
wrote: Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? The FCC does not license networks. Rich |
They need to worry about Bush sending the troops to the NBC
headquarters before worrying about their license. "http://HireMe.geek.nz/" wrote in message ... Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? |
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Rich Wood wrote:
I've noticed that trait among Conservatives, as well. FOX News isn't known for retractions. How many times has FOX News been caught broadcasting as *fact* something that their own fact-checkers said was probably fake? At least to date, FOX News has been quite a bit more careful than CBS. FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left. FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news. There is no conservative news channel. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. |
Mark Crispin wrote:
FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left. FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news. USA Today has no content! How can something that provides basically no analysis and no actual information be biased in any way? I mean, you could learn more from reading the cereal box.... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
"Mark Crispin" wrote in message
... On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Rich Wood wrote: I've noticed that trait among Conservatives, as well. FOX News isn't known for retractions. How many times has FOX News been caught broadcasting as *fact* something that their own fact-checkers said was probably fake? At least to date, FOX News has been quite a bit more careful than CBS. FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left. FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news. What did the study examine? News? Or all of the Fox broadcasts including their commentators? -- McWebber "Richter points to the lack of legal action against his company as proof that he's operating appropriately." Information Week, November 10, 2003 |
On 23 Sep 2004 07:02:40 GMT, Mark Crispin
wrote: FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left. FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news. There is no conservative news channel. Damn! Tha must be good weed you're smoking! Rich |
McWebber wrote:
What did the study examine? News? Or all of the Fox broadcasts including their commentators? Quote from the study: " Few studies provide an objective measure of the slant of news, and none has provided a way to link such a measure to ideological measures of other political actors. That is, none of the existing measures can say, for example, whether the New York Times is more liberal than Tom Daschle or whether Fox News is more conservative than Bill Frist. We provide such a measure. Namely, we compute an ADA score for various news outlets, including the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, the Drudge Report, Fox News? Special Report, and all three networks? nightly news shows. Our results show a very significant liberal bias. All of the news outlets except Fox News? Special Report received a score to the left of the average member of Congress. Moreover, by one of our measures all but three of these media outlets (Special Report, the Drudge Report, and ABC?s World News Tonight) were closer to the average Democrat in Congress than to the median member of the House of Representatives. One of our measures found that the Drudge Report is the most centrist of all media outlets in our sample. Our other measure found that Fox News? Special Report is the most centrist. These findings refer strictly to the news stories of the outlets. That is, we omitted editorials, book reviews, and letters to the editor from our sample. " Doug McDonald |
Rich Wood wrote:
On 23 Sep 2004 07:02:40 GMT, Mark Crispin wrote: FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left. FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news. There is no conservative news channel. Damn! Tha must be good weed you're smoking! It's actually true. There are of course conservative talk shows. But no actual "news channel" that is consistently substantially to right of center. That's exactly what the previously quoted showed. All except Fox and MSNBC are very far left of center. People who say things like "Fox is right wing" are simply WRONG. They are weong because they are using a cloud cookoo land definition of center. That is, they simply assign themselves ... quite left wing people ... as center. Whe you ACTUALLY look at the real world, for example, the Congress, Fox is very close to the center. If you look at all the people, same result. Doug McDonald |
There are of course conservative talk shows. But no actual "news channel" that
is consistently substantially to right of center. That's exactly what the previously quoted showed. It showed nothing of the sort. All it CLAIMED was that FNC is not slanted to the right. No proof was offered. But, you just keep right on believing it if you want. Everyone is entitled to their fantasy. |
to quote an earlier poster, damn, that must be good weed you're smoking.
"Doug McDonald" wrote in message ... Rich Wood wrote: On 23 Sep 2004 07:02:40 GMT, Mark Crispin wrote: FOX News is not "conservative" media. A Yale University study on media bias showed that, while FOX is right-of-center, it is was no more to the right than USA Today is left-of-center. CBS is much further to the left. FOX News is actually closer to the center than any other TV news. There is no conservative news channel. Damn! Tha must be good weed you're smoking! It's actually true. There are of course conservative talk shows. But no actual "news channel" that is consistently substantially to right of center. That's exactly what the previously quoted showed. All except Fox and MSNBC are very far left of center. People who say things like "Fox is right wing" are simply WRONG. They are weong because they are using a cloud cookoo land definition of center. That is, they simply assign themselves ... quite left wing people ... as center. Whe you ACTUALLY look at the real world, for example, the Congress, Fox is very close to the center. If you look at all the people, same result. Doug McDonald |
In article ,
Doug McDonald wrote: McWebber wrote: What did the study examine? News? Or all of the Fox broadcasts including their commentators? Quote from the study: " Few studies provide an objective measure of the slant of news, and none has provided a way to link such a measure to ideological measures of other political actors. That is, none of the existing measures can say, for example, whether the New York Times is more liberal than Tom Daschle or whether Fox News is more conservative than Bill Frist. We provide such a measure. Namely, we compute an ADA score for various news outlets, including the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, the Drudge Report, Fox News? Special Report, and all three networks? nightly news shows. Our results show a very significant liberal bias. All of the news outlets except Fox News? Special Report received a score to the left of the average member of Congress. Moreover, by one of our measures all but three of these media outlets (Special Report, the Drudge Report, and ABC?s World News Tonight) were closer to the average Democrat in Congress than to the median member of the House of Representatives. One of our measures found that the Drudge Report is the most centrist of all media outlets in our sample. Our other measure found that Fox News? Special Report is the most centrist. These findings refer strictly to the news stories of the outlets. That is, we omitted editorials, book reviews, and letters to the editor from our sample. " Doug McDonald One man's liberalism is another man's conservatism. The "average member of Congress" would look like an antideluvian right-winger in England. Ditto in the US of the late 1940s. But in the US the whole "true left" end ot the spectrum of public opinion, socialism, is missing, neatly excised by the long pressure of the Cold War. Now the American right wing is busily propogandizing us into believing that traditional liberals, who have always been staunchly pro-capitalist and are more like libertarians than anything else known, are "leftists". They'll probably succeed, too. Leonard -- "Everything that rises must converge" --Flannery O'Connor |
Probably not since (1) the president didnt "loose" his job over
presenting false papers killing a thousand troops and (2) a network isnt licensed. On 20 Sep 2004 04:00:32 GMT, "http://HireMe.geek.nz/" wrote: Will the US CBS Network loose its broadcasting license over the Dan Rather row? |
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