The question is whether there should be a
new NARBA, or whether the gentlemen's agreements continue as they are.


I guess you have little real idea how broadcast allocations actually work.

There are no "gentleman's agreements", but there are treaties, such as NARBA,
and "Rio".

Plus the U.S.-Mexican Broadcast Agreement and the U.S.-Canadian Broadcast
agreement.

All coordinated through the State Department, not through a "smoke filled"
room.



The Bahamas operates a I-B on 810 khz, a U. S. I-B clear, in addition to its
I-A clear on 1540 khz. (These are just a few examples).


Bad examples, as there are no more Class I-B stations.

All Class Is were merged into Class A by "Rio". All Class IIs and Class IIIs
were merged into Class B by the same treaty.

There are no Class A (ex-Class I-B) stations in North America on 810 besides
KGO and WGY.

The Bahamas has two stations, a Class A (ex-Class I-A) on 1540, and a Class C
(ex-Class IV) on 1240.

"Peter H." wrote in message
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The question is whether there should be a
new NARBA, or whether the gentlemen's agreements continue as they are.


I guess you have little real idea how broadcast allocations actually work.

There are no "gentleman's agreements", but there are treaties, such as
NARBA,
and "Rio".

Plus the U.S.-Mexican Broadcast Agreement and the U.S.-Canadian Broadcast
agreement.

All coordinated through the State Department, not through a "smoke filled"
room.

And this could apply to Cuba as well, if that is Castro's desire.

The Bahamas operates a I-B on 810 khz, a U. S. I-B clear, in addition to
its
I-A clear on 1540 khz. (These are just a few examples).


Bad examples, as there are no more Class I-B stations.

Sorry about the mistake in the classification. However I easily receive
ZNS3, Freeport, Bahamas, on 810 khz day and night from Florida. The
announcer says that the station's power is 10 kw.

All Class Is were merged into Class A by "Rio". All Class IIs and Class
IIIs
were merged into Class B by the same treaty.

There are no Class A (ex-Class I-B) stations in North America on 810
besides
KGO and WGY.

The Bahamas has two stations, a Class A (ex-Class I-A) on 1540, and a
Class C
(ex-Class IV) on 1240.

Those are the two stations serving Nassau. The station on 810 is in
Freeport.

Sorry about the mistake in the classification. However I easily receive ZNS3,
Freeport, Bahamas, on 810 khz day and night from Florida. The announcer says
that the station's power is 10 kw.


ZNS3 isn't in the FCC database, but what else is new.

Even if it was 50 kW, it would be a Class B as the Bahamas has no Class A
priority on 810.

ZNS1 operates 50 kW DA-1 mainly because after "Rio" any Class I-A had to
operate with 50 kW (U.S. and Canada, et. al.) and "at least 50 kW" (Mexico) in
order to retain Class I-A status.

Before, ZNS1 (a Class I-A) operated with 10 kW, and Canada's 1580 Class I-A
also operated with 10 kW.

Class I-Bs and Class I-Ns can be grandfathered at 10 kW , but Class I-As can't
be.

This, not withstanding XERF operating with 10 kW for decades now.

The U.S. isn't going to force the issue with Mexico and demand that XERF
operate with its "notified" 250 kW, simply becuase there is not that much
utility power available in the area, and, anyway, the 250 kW transmitter
doesn't exist anymore.

But, the Bahamas' 1540 and Canada's 1580 were indeed forced to move to 50 kW,
which required both to install directional antennas to protect stations of
lower class in the U.S.

Sorry about the mistake in the classification. However I easily receive ZNS3,
Freeport, Bahamas, on 810 khz day and night from Florida. The announcer says
that the station's power is 10 kw.


ZNS3 isn't in the FCC database, but what else is new.

Even if it was 50 kW, it would be a Class B as the Bahamas has no Class A
priority on 810.

ZNS1 operates 50 kW DA-1 mainly because after "Rio" any Class I-A had to
operate with 50 kW (U.S. and Canada, et. al.) and "at least 50 kW" (Mexico) in
order to retain Class I-A status.

Before, ZNS1 (a Class I-A) operated with 10 kW, and Canada's 1580 Class I-A
also operated with 10 kW.

Class I-Bs and Class I-Ns can be grandfathered at 10 kW , but Class I-As can't
be.

This, not withstanding XERF operating with 10 kW for decades now.

The U.S. isn't going to force the issue with Mexico and demand that XERF
operate with its "notified" 250 kW, simply becuase there is not that much
utility power available in the area, and, anyway, the 250 kW transmitter
doesn't exist anymore.

But, the Bahamas' 1540 and Canada's 1580 were indeed forced to move to 50 kW,
which required both to install directional antennas to protect stations of
lower class in the U.S.

"Peter H." wrote in message
...


This, not withstanding XERF operating with 10 kW for decades now.

Back at 100 kw this year.

The U.S. isn't going to force the issue with Mexico and demand that XERF
operate with its "notified" 250 kW, simply becuase there is not that much
utility power available in the area, and, anyway, the 250 kW transmitter
doesn't exist anymore.

There is plenty of power. There is just no need.

The U.S. isn't going to force the issue with Mexico
and demand that XERF
operate with its "notified" 250 kW, simply becuase
there is not that much
utility power available in the area, and, anyway, the
250 kW transmitter
doesn't exist anymore.

There is plenty of power. There is just no need.


However, the U.S. DID force the issue on one Mexican Class A, in which an
unreasonably and impossibly high efficiency was notified.

In order to achieve the (formerly) notified efficiency, that station would
require a 1,100 foot tall radiator. ELEVEN-HUNDRED feet! The actual radiator
height is about 800 feet.

The newly notified facility purportedly has an 850 foot radiator, but its
efficiency is still too high to be believed, unless the ground system is
intentionally overbuilt.

After reading this group, I decided to check it out for myself last night.

Here in Orlando, the Cuban signal on 560 is completely obliterating WQAM. The
strength of the Cuban signal is such that it is receivable on my cheapest
radio, a small AM/FM portable which I bought about 10 years ago for $10.

Normally, WQAM puts a weak but listenable signal here both day and night. I
have never before heard a Cuban on 560, either day or night.

Now, the only way WQAM can be heard is by nulling the Cuban, using the
excellent directional characteristics of my C. Crane Radio. Even so, the Cuban
station mixes with WQAM, as the axis between Miami and Cuba from here is less
than a full 90 degrees.

I also noticed the Cuban station was overmodulated to the point of distortion.
What makes this interesting is that this station seems to be a network
affilliate. The other receivable Cuban stations on the same network (600, 620,
and 640) are normally modulated and not distorted. This suggests the
overmodulation on 560 could be intentional as this would cause maximum
"tearing" and interference to WQAM.

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

"Drew A. Durigan" wrote in message
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After reading this group, I decided to check it out for myself last night.

Here in Orlando, the Cuban signal on 560 is completely obliterating WQAM.
The
strength of the Cuban signal is such that it is receivable on my cheapest
radio, a small AM/FM portable which I bought about 10 years ago for $10.

Normally, WQAM puts a weak but listenable signal here both day and night.
I
have never before heard a Cuban on 560, either day or night.

Now, the only way WQAM can be heard is by nulling the Cuban, using the
excellent directional characteristics of my C. Crane Radio. Even so, the
Cuban
station mixes with WQAM, as the axis between Miami and Cuba from here is
less
than a full 90 degrees.

I also noticed the Cuban station was overmodulated to the point of
distortion.
What makes this interesting is that this station seems to be a network
affilliate. The other receivable Cuban stations on the same network (600,
620,
and 640) are normally modulated and not distorted. This suggests the
overmodulation on 560 could be intentional as this would cause maximum
"tearing" and interference to WQAM.

WQAM is in English. There is no need to jam it.

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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"Drew A. Durigan" wrote in message
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After reading this group, I decided to check it out for myself last night.

Here in Orlando, the Cuban signal on 560 is completely obliterating WQAM.

WQAM is in English. There is no need to jam it.

David....wouldn't Cubans looking to get propaganda-free radio from the U-S (not that
this ideal is as easy to attain, anymore) be willing to learn English so as to listen
to it? I think you're a bit too dismissive of the suggestion.
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"Bob Haberkost" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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"Drew A. Durigan" wrote in message
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After reading this group, I decided to check it out for myself last
night.

Here in Orlando, the Cuban signal on 560 is completely obliterating
WQAM.

WQAM is in English. There is no need to jam it.

David....wouldn't Cubans looking to get propaganda-free radio from the U-S
(not that
this ideal is as easy to attain, anymore) be willing to learn English so
as to listen
to it? I think you're a bit too dismissive of the suggestion.

Since the very early 60's, it has been necessary to have a permit to learn
English, and such permits are only delivered to those that have a
government-mandated need to learn.

Russian was the second language in Cuban schools since that time, and only
recently, in the last decade, has been abandoned.

Listening to US radio or TV is punishable by being declared an anticocial
element, which reduces one's rations, makes many types of unemployment
unattainable, and even affects where and whether one gets housing.

While many will make the effort to hear Radio Marti, as proven by surveys of
emigrants who have left Cuba, it is really unlikely that many know enough
English to understand the very colloquial English of WQAM, would risk doing
so if they could, or would find anything at all of any interest to them even
if they did listen.

Cuba is a totalitarian dictatorship.