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Mike Terry February 26th 05 01:23 AM

"The End of Radio"
 
Wired magazine has dedicated their March issue to what they call "The End of
Radio" -- a series of articles on digital radio, podcasting, and satellite
radio.

http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/022405/index.asp

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/stern.html




Fredrick Garvin February 28th 05 02:25 AM

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:23:41 +0000, Mike Terry expelled the following:

Wired magazine has dedicated their March issue to what they call "The End
of Radio" -- a series of articles on digital radio, podcasting, and
satellite radio.

http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/022405/index.asp

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/stern.html



Chicken little reporting at it's finest I'll bet...


[email protected] February 28th 05 02:25 AM

Mike,

Thanks for the links...

$10 / month .. let's see if it lasts..



Michael February 28th 05 02:25 AM


"Mike Terry" wrote in message
...
Wired magazine has dedicated their March issue to what they call "The End
of
Radio" -- a series of articles on digital radio, podcasting, and satellite
radio.

http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/022405/index.asp

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/stern.html


I was anticipating that exact sentiment to be expressed here. If and when
it becomes economically prohibitive for powerhouse networks to broadcast
over the airwaves due to all the lord high advertising revenue going
satellite, it will only open the way WIDE OPEN for a group of "rebels" to
make use of good old fashioned radio. As a matter of fact, if you have just
five cents worth of socio-psychology, you'd understand full well that there
would be a huge group of people that would turn from the main stream and
tune into the new age "underground" culture that uses good old fashioned
radio waves to bring their message, music, media etc free of the oppressive
commercial laden satellite jerk-offs.

Bank on it.... If and when satellite does away with radio, radio will become
free, and unencumbered by mass-media money grubbing pigs, and thus, attract
the masses again until it becomes commercialized again.

In short... Radio wont die... Just evolve... At the very worst, it will
indeed even become way more interesting then it is now.

Michael



Michael A. Terrell March 1st 05 05:16 AM

Michael wrote:

I was anticipating that exact sentiment to be expressed here. If and when
it becomes economically prohibitive for powerhouse networks to broadcast
over the airwaves due to all the lord high advertising revenue going
satellite, it will only open the way WIDE OPEN for a group of "rebels" to
make use of good old fashioned radio. As a matter of fact, if you have just
five cents worth of socio-psychology, you'd understand full well that there
would be a huge group of people that would turn from the main stream and
tune into the new age "underground" culture that uses good old fashioned
radio waves to bring their message, music, media etc free of the oppressive
commercial laden satellite jerk-offs.

Bank on it.... If and when satellite does away with radio, radio will become
free, and unencumbered by mass-media money grubbing pigs, and thus, attract
the masses again until it becomes commercialized again.

In short... Radio wont die... Just evolve... At the very worst, it will
indeed even become way more interesting then it is now.

Michael


My view on Stern and his type going to satellite is: Good-bye, why
are you still here? Maybe all of talk radio will follow as well. I live
near Ocala Fl and there is no decent radio around here. After hurricanes
Frances and especially Jeanne the stations were off the air. No local
news, hardwired telephone service was spotty and the cell system was
almost useless. What did we get when the stations started coming back
on? Silly kids yaking all night long thinking they are funny and bad
reports of where to find ice or water. The next station that came on
mentioned the hurricane and went back to Rush Limbagh. The last thing
people need when they have no power, little food or water is boring
syndicated talk radio. If I was working there I would have pushed to
get as much accurate information as I could to the people who needed
it. What good would Satellite radio be during a disaster? Let them
have the rubbish they deserve. Even though my favorite AM radio station
is on Sirius, I can't, and won't spend a monthly fee like that for one
radio station. FOr the same price I can get broadband internet instead
of dialup and listen to a stream while stuck at home all the time.

--
Beware of those who post from srvinet.com!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Kimba W. Lion March 1st 05 05:16 AM

"Michael" wrote:

Bank on it.... If and when satellite does away with radio, radio will become
free, and unencumbered by mass-media money grubbing pigs, and thus, attract
the masses again until it becomes commercialized again.


I wish I could be optimistic enough to bank on it. I'd like to see it
happen, too. But every industry is ruined by people who have no real
interest in the job at hand, and I don't see any precedent for a
turnaround.


Smokey March 1st 05 05:16 AM

Yeh. yeh, yeh...
and by the late 1900s my fifth grade teacher told us we'd all be riding
around in air suspension cars. Yawn. This rally 'round the "new
technologies" is crap. Few of these things work as well as we are told they
do on paper. And those who are most enthused are those who stand to gain
financially. Period.
We're all fools to gobble up this gadgetry that rarely works as well as it
is touted. It is nothing more than a planned cycle to keep us buying. Take a
look at your local thrift store and see what you paid $400 for only ten
years ago that is now "obsolete." Yup, we're damned gullible idiots. And
those in the "new technologies" business are laughing their asses off at us.

"Fredrick Garvin" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:23:41 +0000, Mike Terry expelled the following:

Wired magazine has dedicated their March issue to what they call "The

End
of Radio" -- a series of articles on digital radio, podcasting, and
satellite radio.

http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/022405/index.asp

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/stern.html



Chicken little reporting at it's finest I'll bet...





[email protected] March 2nd 05 12:05 AM

So the sky is falling (again) on SW/MW radio.

I say "Let it Fall!" It uses up too much valuable bandwidth!

Steve



Greg March 2nd 05 12:05 AM



From: "Michael A. Terrell"
Organization: Airwaves Digest http://www.Airwaves.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting,rec.radio.shortwave
Date: 1 Mar 2005 05:16:13 GMT
Subject: "The End of Radio"

(snip)

My view on Stern and his type going to satellite is: Good-bye, why
are you still here? Maybe all of talk radio will follow as well. I live
near Ocala Fl and there is no decent radio around here. After hurricanes
Frances and especially Jeanne the stations were off the air. No local
news, hardwired telephone service was spotty and the cell system was
almost useless. What did we get when the stations started coming back
on? Silly kids yaking all night long thinking they are funny and bad
reports of where to find ice or water. The next station that came on
mentioned the hurricane and went back to Rush Limbagh. The last thing
people need when they have no power, little food or water is boring
syndicated talk radio. If I was working there I would have pushed to
get as much accurate information as I could to the people who needed
it. What good would Satellite radio be during a disaster? Let them
have the rubbish they deserve. Even though my favorite AM radio station
is on Sirius, I can't, and won't spend a monthly fee like that for one
radio station. FOr the same price I can get broadband internet instead
of dialup and listen to a stream while stuck at home all the time.

--
Beware of those who post from srvinet.com!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael - Can you pick up WFLA, Orlando, on 540? I found that station
pretty useful during the hurricanes except, of course, for local info. I
live in Lakeland and can pick them up even in the daytime. WFLA 970 in
Tampa is stronger here and they had decent storm-related info too. But none
of the powerhouse stations are in a position to serve the Ocala area with
local news. One source you could check out is the local ham emerg. net on
VHF. Their traffic usually includes info on supplies being delivered to aid
stations as well as general storm and survival-related info.

BTW, how much do you pay for broadband internet? I pay $40/month for Road
Runner. I believe XM radio is "only" $10.95/month. I am tempted to try it
since I am in my car a good portion of my work day and there is zero on AM
radio that interests me. FM is almost as bad.

Regards,

Greg


Michael A. Terrell March 2nd 05 03:27 AM

Greg wrote:

Michael - Can you pick up WFLA, Orlando, on 540? I found that station
pretty useful during the hurricanes except, of course, for local info. I
live in Lakeland and can pick them up even in the daytime. WFLA 970 in
Tampa is stronger here and they had decent storm-related info too. But none
of the powerhouse stations are in a position to serve the Ocala area with
local news. One source you could check out is the local ham emerg. net on
VHF. Their traffic usually includes info on supplies being delivered to aid
stations as well as general storm and survival-related info.


I can pick up both of them, but neither are very clear. The only two
meter receiver I have at the moment needs a regulated 12 VDC power
supply and was out in my shop where I couldn't get to it.

BTW, how much do you pay for broadband internet? I pay $40/month for Road
Runner. I believe XM radio is "only" $10.95/month. I am tempted to try it
since I am in my car a good portion of my work day and there is zero on AM
radio that interests me. FM is almost as bad.

Regards,

Greg


Earthlink is $45 a month, the same as RR or AOL broadband here in
Belleview. I don't drive much anymore, I have Carpal Tunnel in both
hands and nerve damage so a drive across town can be painful. I am now
on full disability because I can't work any set schedule and it drives
me crazy. I was working at Microdyne as a test and engineering tech
when I had to stop working a few years ago. I'll bet there is still
some equipment in use in stations you've seen that was built in Ocala,
or their AFC microwave antennas.

I wanted to fix up a nice shop here at home to enjoy my retirement by
collecting and restoring oddball electronics. My benches are still
covered with plastic since the hurricanes. I was out there today and
one of my shelves has snapped due to water damage.

I agree with nothing good on the local radio stations. The only
station I would listen to on Satellite is WSM, and its on Sirius. Since
I'm at home 90 percent of the time I figured it was cheaper to spend the
money on a better internet feed.

I have a friend who is still an active contract engineer in the area
and get the horror stories when he has time to stop by the house. If
you're anywhere close to Ocala email me sometime.

--

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Greg March 2nd 05 11:36 PM



From: "Michael A. Terrell"
Organization: Airwaves Digest http://www.Airwaves.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting,rec.radio.shortwave
Date: 2 Mar 2005 03:27:27 GMT
Subject: "The End of Radio"

Greg wrote:

Michael - Can you pick up WFLA, Orlando, on 540? I found that station
pretty useful during the hurricanes except, of course, for local info. I
live in Lakeland and can pick them up even in the daytime. WFLA 970 in
Tampa is stronger here and they had decent storm-related info too. But none
of the powerhouse stations are in a position to serve the Ocala area with
local news. One source you could check out is the local ham emerg. net on
VHF. Their traffic usually includes info on supplies being delivered to aid
stations as well as general storm and survival-related info.


I can pick up both of them, but neither are very clear. The only two
meter receiver I have at the moment needs a regulated 12 VDC power
supply and was out in my shop where I couldn't get to it.

BTW, how much do you pay for broadband internet? I pay $40/month for Road
Runner. I believe XM radio is "only" $10.95/month. I am tempted to try it
since I am in my car a good portion of my work day and there is zero on AM
radio that interests me. FM is almost as bad.

Regards,

Greg


Earthlink is $45 a month, the same as RR or AOL broadband here in
Belleview. I don't drive much anymore, I have Carpal Tunnel in both
hands and nerve damage so a drive across town can be painful. I am now
on full disability because I can't work any set schedule and it drives
me crazy. I was working at Microdyne as a test and engineering tech
when I had to stop working a few years ago. I'll bet there is still
some equipment in use in stations you've seen that was built in Ocala,
or their AFC microwave antennas.

I wanted to fix up a nice shop here at home to enjoy my retirement by
collecting and restoring oddball electronics. My benches are still
covered with plastic since the hurricanes. I was out there today and
one of my shelves has snapped due to water damage.

I agree with nothing good on the local radio stations. The only
station I would listen to on Satellite is WSM, and its on Sirius. Since
I'm at home 90 percent of the time I figured it was cheaper to spend the
money on a better internet feed.

I have a friend who is still an active contract engineer in the area
and get the horror stories when he has time to stop by the house. If
you're anywhere close to Ocala email me sometime.

--

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Thanks for the invite. Sorry to hear about the storm damage to your shop.
I was lucky here in Lakeland. Jeanne was the worst of the hurricanes for us
but all the damage I suffered was outside - trees down in the back yard,
fence damage, etc. I still have the lower portion of a large elm lying on
my crushed storage shed, but there's not much of value in there.

WFLA TV (chan 8/Tampa) was a good info source during all the storms, WFLA
radio was decent, and I have several scanners, so I could monitor local hams
and public service agencies around the area.

I'm sure members of this group would be interested when you get your shop up
and running

Best regards,

Greg



[email protected] March 4th 05 06:02 AM

The end of radio...not if you have a good team, creative not follow the
"sheep". KFI in LA best talk station in the country the talent of
course is important the station sounds exciting, best news tight
production . Sorry to say the music stations "AIN'T" got it. The
elements that make great radio stations will always be around for those
who know how to use those "elements"..roger carroll



David March 4th 05 10:30 PM

KFI sucks. Typical Clear Channel right-wing reactionary twaddle.

On 4 Mar 2005 06:02:14 GMT, wrote:

The end of radio...not if you have a good team, creative not follow the
"sheep". KFI in LA best talk station in the country the talent of
course is important the station sounds exciting, best news tight
production . Sorry to say the music stations "AIN'T" got it. The
elements that make great radio stations will always be around for those
who know how to use those "elements"..roger carroll





roger carroll March 7th 05 03:47 AM

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc



David March 8th 05 06:15 AM

It is very stale and old-fashioned sounding. They've been using Ratt
for the News Sounder for what, five years now? There news sucks; all
Michale Jackson and Robert Blake. Their Drive Time is wall to wall
commercials, except for the ranting about the Mexicans. It's awful.

I think the best technical air sound is on 1260.

On 7 Mar 2005 03:47:22 GMT, "roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc





Telamon March 8th 05 06:15 AM

In article ,
"roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc


KFI is 50kW with a real nice antenna.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


roger carroll [email protected] March 8th 05 11:22 PM

David, I disagree I worked at KMPC for 22 years we had the best news
dept in Los Angeles now it's KFI. The hard news on the hour and half
hour also breaking news coverage IMHO is the best. From your comments
you don't like KFI, use the "on" and "off" button. I have nothing to do
with KFI, as a former air talent, Vice President of Gene Autry's
GWB,owner of KMPC, KSFO, KVI, KEX, and owner of radio stations my views
are not personal. KFI is far from being stale and old fashion
sounding. 1260, you have to be kidding. Are you in broadcasting??
David, I repeat nothing personal, just disagree. Also, don't know her.
Terri Raye Elmer KFI, one of the best newscasters in LA.
roger carroll, retired living the good life on Alamits Bay


David wrote:
It is very stale and old-fashioned sounding. They've been using Ratt
for the News Sounder for what, five years now? There news sucks; all
Michale Jackson and Robert Blake. Their Drive Time is wall to wall
commercials, except for the ranting about the Mexicans. It's awful.

I think the best technical air sound is on 1260.

On 7 Mar 2005 03:47:22 GMT, "roger carroll"

wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm

talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would

still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with

politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc





David Eduardo March 8th 05 11:22 PM


"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc


KFI is 50kW with a real nice antenna.


Actually, it is 25 kw with a top-loaded 1/8 wave vertical. There is no
"nice" antenna anymore.



David Eduardo March 8th 05 11:22 PM


"David" wrote in message
...
It is very stale and old-fashioned sounding. They've been using Ratt
for the News Sounder for what, five years now? There news sucks; all
Michale Jackson and Robert Blake. Their Drive Time is wall to wall
commercials, except for the ranting about the Mexicans. It's awful.


And it is tied for #1 in LA in the latest Arbitrends.



Telamon March 10th 05 01:14 AM

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc


KFI is 50kW with a real nice antenna.


Actually, it is 25 kw with a top-loaded 1/8 wave vertical. There is no
"nice" antenna anymore.


Well I found this on Radio Magazine
http://beradio.com/searchresults/?terms=KFI&ord=d

KFI Tower Felled by Plane Crash
La Mirada, CA - Dec 19, 2004 - The Associated Press reports that a
private plane crashed into the tower of KFI-AM at 9:45 a.m. on Dec. 19.
The single-engine Cessna 182 brought the 760' tower down. The two people
on the plane were killed. Their identities have not yet been released.

The plane was en route to Fullerton Airport from El Monte when it
crashed. Fullerton airport is about one mile from the tower site. The
FAA reports that the pilot did not issue any distress reports.

KFI's tower has resisted earthquakes and a brush with a private plane
once before. The tower survived the previous air incident. The tower's
guy wires were replaced in March 2004 after 47 years of use.

KFI reports that the station was off the air for about an hour before
switching to an auxiliary tower at the same site at about 5kW. The
station is licensed for 50kW into the main antenna.

I have heard them claim 50kW in the past and I thought 640 was one of
the old "clear channels."

Did they reduce power after putting up a new antenna?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


David March 10th 05 01:14 AM

It's wall to wall misdirection. Michael Jackson and Robert Blake are
not news. I am not a fan of explosions and heavy metal stingers.
It's all sizzle and no steak.

On 8 Mar 2005 23:22:49 GMT, "roger carroll "
wrote:

David, I disagree I worked at KMPC for 22 years we had the best news
dept in Los Angeles now it's KFI. The hard news on the hour and half
hour also breaking news coverage IMHO is the best. From your comments
you don't like KFI, use the "on" and "off" button. I have nothing to do
with KFI, as a former air talent, Vice President of Gene Autry's
GWB,owner of KMPC, KSFO, KVI, KEX, and owner of radio stations my views
are not personal. KFI is far from being stale and old fashion
sounding. 1260, you have to be kidding. Are you in broadcasting??
David, I repeat nothing personal, just disagree. Also, don't know her.
Terri Raye Elmer KFI, one of the best newscasters in LA.
roger carroll, retired living the good life on Alamits Bay


David wrote:
It is very stale and old-fashioned sounding. They've been using Ratt
for the News Sounder for what, five years now? There news sucks; all
Michale Jackson and Robert Blake. Their Drive Time is wall to wall
commercials, except for the ranting about the Mexicans. It's awful.

I think the best technical air sound is on 1260.

On 7 Mar 2005 03:47:22 GMT, "roger carroll"

wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm

talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would

still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with

politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc







Telamon March 10th 05 01:14 AM

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc


KFI is 50kW with a real nice antenna.


Actually, it is 25 kw with a top-loaded 1/8 wave vertical. There is no
"nice" antenna anymore.


Do you know when this changed?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


dxAce March 10th 05 01:14 AM



David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc


KFI is 50kW with a real nice antenna.


Actually, it is 25 kw with a top-loaded 1/8 wave vertical. There is no
"nice" antenna anymore.


When did they reduce power? Everything I check still shows them at 50 kW,
including the FCC data.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




David March 10th 05 01:14 AM

And American Idol is the number one TV show.

On 8 Mar 2005 23:22:56 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
...
It is very stale and old-fashioned sounding. They've been using Ratt
for the News Sounder for what, five years now? There news sucks; all
Michale Jackson and Robert Blake. Their Drive Time is wall to wall
commercials, except for the ranting about the Mexicans. It's awful.


And it is tied for #1 in LA in the latest Arbitrends.





David Eduardo March 10th 05 01:14 AM


wrote in message ...
David, I disagree I worked at KMPC for 22 years we had the best news
dept in Los Angeles now it's KFI. The hard news on the hour and half
hour also breaking news coverage IMHO is the best. From your comments
you don't like KFI, use the "on" and "off" button. I have nothing to do
with KFI, as a former air talent, Vice President of Gene Autry's
GWB,owner of KMPC, KSFO, KVI, KEX, and owner of radio stations my views
are not personal. KFI is far from being stale and old fashion
sounding. 1260, you have to be kidding. Are you in broadcasting??
David, I repeat nothing personal, just disagree. Also, don't know her.
Terri Raye Elmer KFI, one of the best newscasters in LA.
roger carroll, retired living the good life on Alamits Bay


David,

What Roger may not want to say, I will: GWB, while Roger was there, was one
of the absolute finest radio companies in America if not the entire world.
Service, responsibility, strong, live personalities, localism, high
technical standards, decent treatment of the staff and general responsible
business practices while making a profit.

Those of us still in radio would be honored to be considered to be in the
same league as Roger.

Because of this, if roger says it, it is likely 99.9% correct. And that goes
for his latest post.



roger carroll [email protected] March 11th 05 06:36 AM

Thank You, you are very kind. It's hard to believe how radio has
changed, we had 135 employes at KMPC everyone was a pro....That's the
way Gene Autry operated. rc

David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message ...
David, I disagree I worked at KMPC for 22 years we had the best

news
dept in Los Angeles now it's KFI. The hard news on the hour and

half
hour also breaking news coverage IMHO is the best. From your

comments
you don't like KFI, use the "on" and "off" button. I have nothing

to do
with KFI, as a former air talent, Vice President of Gene Autry's
GWB,owner of KMPC, KSFO, KVI, KEX, and owner of radio stations my

views
are not personal. KFI is far from being stale and old fashion
sounding. 1260, you have to be kidding. Are you in

broadcasting??
David, I repeat nothing personal, just disagree. Also, don't know

her.
Terri Raye Elmer KFI, one of the best newscasters in LA.
roger carroll, retired living the good life on Alamits Bay


David,

What Roger may not want to say, I will: GWB, while Roger was there,

was one
of the absolute finest radio companies in America if not the entire

world.
Service, responsibility, strong, live personalities, localism, high
technical standards, decent treatment of the staff and general

responsible
business practices while making a profit.

Those of us still in radio would be honored to be considered to be in

the
same league as Roger.

Because of this, if roger says it, it is likely 99.9% correct. And

that goes
for his latest post.




David March 11th 05 06:36 AM

There's an STA.

On 10 Mar 2005 01:14:48 GMT, dxAce wrote:



David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc

KFI is 50kW with a real nice antenna.


Actually, it is 25 kw with a top-loaded 1/8 wave vertical. There is no
"nice" antenna anymore.


When did they reduce power? Everything I check still shows them at 50 kW,
including the FCC data.

dxAce
Michigan
USA






David Eduardo March 11th 05 06:36 AM


"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

Actually, it is 25 kw with a top-loaded 1/8 wave vertical. There is no
"nice" antenna anymore.


Well I found this on Radio Magazine
http://beradio.com/searchresults/?terms=KFI&ord=d

KFI Tower Felled by Plane Crash
La Mirada, CA - Dec 19, 2004 - The Associated Press reports that a
private plane crashed into the tower of KFI-AM at 9:45 a.m. on Dec. 19.
The single-engine Cessna 182 brought the 760' tower down. The two people
on the plane were killed. Their identities have not yet been released.

The plane was en route to Fullerton Airport from El Monte when it
crashed. Fullerton airport is about one mile from the tower site. The
FAA reports that the pilot did not issue any distress reports.

KFI's tower has resisted earthquakes and a brush with a private plane
once before. The tower survived the previous air incident. The tower's
guy wires were replaced in March 2004 after 47 years of use.

KFI reports that the station was off the air for about an hour before
switching to an auxiliary tower at the same site at about 5kW. The
station is licensed for 50kW into the main antenna.


I have heard them claim 50kW in the past and I thought 640 was one of
the old "clear channels."


It still is a clear channel. However, they have not been able to rebuiled
the fallen tower and are still using the aux, but with hihger power than the
first few hours.

Did they reduce power after putting up a new antenna?


The 1/8 wave antenna was the auxiliary tower, used when the 1/2 wave one was
being maintained. There has been no replacement or new tower built.



Mark Howell March 11th 05 06:36 AM

On 10 Mar 2005 01:14:48 GMT, dxAce wrote:



David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc

KFI is 50kW with a real nice antenna.


Actually, it is 25 kw with a top-loaded 1/8 wave vertical. There is no
"nice" antenna anymore.


When did they reduce power? Everything I check still shows them at 50 kW,
including the FCC data.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


It changed when KFI's main tower was knocked down by an airplane
earlier this year. The incident was widely reported at the time.

Mark Howell


Mark Zenier March 11th 05 06:36 AM

In article , David wrote:
It's wall to wall misdirection. Michael Jackson and Robert Blake are
not news. I am not a fan of explosions and heavy metal stingers.
It's all sizzle and no steak.


If anybody wants to read about KFI, there's a big cover story article
about inside the talk radio biz in the new (April 2005) issue of
Atlantic Monthly, featuring the nightime guy there.

Trivia, KFI originally stood for "Farm Information".

Mark Zenier Washington State resident




David Eduardo March 11th 05 06:36 AM


"David" wrote in message
...
And American Idol is the number one TV show.


Because many people watch it. Duh.



David Eduardo March 11th 05 06:36 AM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc

KFI is 50kW with a real nice antenna.


Actually, it is 25 kw with a top-loaded 1/8 wave vertical. There is no
"nice" antenna anymore.


When did they reduce power? Everything I check still shows them at 50 kW,
including the FCC data.


They lost the tower in an aircraft collision. They are running an existing
auxiliary tower in a nonconforming operation until such time as the
half-waver can be rebuilt at the current site or a new site found.



David March 11th 05 06:36 AM

Why don't you two get a room at the Dinosaur Hideaway?

KFI is not KMPC. It is a WOAI clone. It is annoying to listen to.
It is classless. The only reason they're #1 is the rest of the
audience is too fragmented.

For good sounding News/Talker try 810.

On 10 Mar 2005 01:14:54 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


wrote in message ...
David, I disagree I worked at KMPC for 22 years we had the best news
dept in Los Angeles now it's KFI. The hard news on the hour and half
hour also breaking news coverage IMHO is the best. From your comments
you don't like KFI, use the "on" and "off" button. I have nothing to do
with KFI, as a former air talent, Vice President of Gene Autry's
GWB,owner of KMPC, KSFO, KVI, KEX, and owner of radio stations my views
are not personal. KFI is far from being stale and old fashion
sounding. 1260, you have to be kidding. Are you in broadcasting??
David, I repeat nothing personal, just disagree. Also, don't know her.
Terri Raye Elmer KFI, one of the best newscasters in LA.
roger carroll, retired living the good life on Alamits Bay


David,

What Roger may not want to say, I will: GWB, while Roger was there, was one
of the absolute finest radio companies in America if not the entire world.
Service, responsibility, strong, live personalities, localism, high
technical standards, decent treatment of the staff and general responsible
business practices while making a profit.

Those of us still in radio would be honored to be considered to be in the
same league as Roger.

Because of this, if roger says it, it is likely 99.9% correct. And that goes
for his latest post.





David Eduardo March 11th 05 06:36 AM


"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc

KFI is 50kW with a real nice antenna.


Actually, it is 25 kw with a top-loaded 1/8 wave vertical. There is no
"nice" antenna anymore.


Do you know when this changed?


A few hours after the 750 foot tower fell.



David Eduardo March 12th 05 04:49 PM


wrote in message ...
Thank You, you are very kind. It's hard to believe how radio has
changed, we had 135 employes at KMPC everyone was a pro....That's the
way Gene Autry operated. rc


That is why I am in the Hispanic sector and in Latin America. Recently did a
project with a news-talk in Argentina, where the morning news and
information show has 47 staffers... including a staff comedian who does
hourly parodies!

In the US, nearly all Hispanic stations are live and local, know that
community service actually gets ratings, and where radio is still a
profession.

I recall visiting KSFO in about 1961 as a teen and remembering that it was
filled with courteous people who actually thought it was significant that a
13-year-old would visit them. today, stations have to have metal detectors
to keep criminals out!

I look forward to more of your postings here.



David March 12th 05 04:49 PM

On 11 Mar 2005 06:36:45 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
...
And American Idol is the number one TV show.


Because many people watch it. Duh.


Because it can deliver a demographic. Not because it has any lasting
value.


Scott Dorsey March 12th 05 04:49 PM

Telamon wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
"roger carroll" wrote:

Sorry David your personal political views are showing....I'm talking
about the sound of the station. If KFI was "left wing" it would still
be the best sounding station in LA nothing to do with politics,,,they
do everything the correct way and tied for number #1 in LA. rc

KFI is 50kW with a real nice antenna.


Actually, it is 25 kw with a top-loaded 1/8 wave vertical. There is no
"nice" antenna anymore.


Do you know when this changed?


Shortly after the old tower was felled by a GA aircraft.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."


David Eduardo March 12th 05 04:49 PM


"David" wrote in message
...
Why don't you two get a room at the Dinosaur Hideaway?


And your fine achievements in broadcasting are...? We really want to know
your credentials, since you see fit to dismiss folks who have significant
experience like Roger. Don't be modesst... impress us with your
accomplishments, please.

KFI is not KMPC. It is a WOAI clone. It is annoying to listen to.
It is classless. The only reason they're #1 is the rest of the
audience is too fragmented.


And news talk is NOT fragmented? 570, 710, 640, 790, 830, 870, 980, 1070,
1020, 99.5, KLSX, 1330, 1150 and 1540 are all talk stations in some form.
That is 14 stations in that format. That KFI has nearly a 5 share shows they
are focusing on what the market wants.

For good sounding News/Talker try 810.


KGO is great... for San Francisco. KFI is a good news source, has a
significant quotient of local talent, like Handel, and is beautifully imaged
and produced by Robin. It is as good as they come, especially in the local
news coverage.

On 10 Mar 2005 01:14:54 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


wrote in message ...
David, I disagree I worked at KMPC for 22 years we had the best news
dept in Los Angeles now it's KFI. The hard news on the hour and half
hour also breaking news coverage IMHO is the best. From your comments
you don't like KFI, use the "on" and "off" button. I have nothing to do
with KFI, as a former air talent, Vice President of Gene Autry's
GWB,owner of KMPC, KSFO, KVI, KEX, and owner of radio stations my views
are not personal. KFI is far from being stale and old fashion
sounding. 1260, you have to be kidding. Are you in broadcasting??
David, I repeat nothing personal, just disagree. Also, don't know her.
Terri Raye Elmer KFI, one of the best newscasters in LA.
roger carroll, retired living the good life on Alamits Bay


David,

What Roger may not want to say, I will: GWB, while Roger was there, was
one
of the absolute finest radio companies in America if not the entire world.
Service, responsibility, strong, live personalities, localism, high
technical standards, decent treatment of the staff and general responsible
business practices while making a profit.

Those of us still in radio would be honored to be considered to be in the
same league as Roger.

Because of this, if roger says it, it is likely 99.9% correct. And that
goes
for his latest post.







David March 12th 05 04:49 PM

On 11 Mar 2005 06:36:43 GMT, (Mark Zenier) wrote:

In article , David wrote:
It's wall to wall misdirection. Michael Jackson and Robert Blake are
not news. I am not a fan of explosions and heavy metal stingers.
It's all sizzle and no steak.


If anybody wants to read about KFI, there's a big cover story article
about inside the talk radio biz in the new (April 2005) issue of
Atlantic Monthly, featuring the nightime guy there.

Trivia, KFI originally stood for "Farm Information".

Mark Zenier
Washington State resident

Keep Farmers Informed



David March 12th 05 09:53 PM

On 12 Mar 2005 16:49:38 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
...
Why don't you two get a room at the Dinosaur Hideaway?


And your fine achievements in broadcasting are...? We really want to know
your credentials, since you see fit to dismiss folks who have significant
experience like Roger. Don't be modesst... impress us with your
accomplishments, please.


Been listening all my life. Have been major (Top 10) market Program
Director, News Director, Production Manager and PM Drive Talk Show
host.

KFI is not KMPC. It is a WOAI clone. It is annoying to listen to.
It is classless. The only reason they're #1 is the rest of the
audience is too fragmented

And news talk is NOT fragmented? 570, 710, 640, 790, 830, 870, 980, 1070,
1020, 99.5, K




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