H Glazer wrote:

So how does streaming make bottom-line sense now when it didn't three and a
half years ago, when hundreds of stations pulled their signals to avoid
having to pay additional fees to stream ads that used unionized talent? Are
CC and Infinity scrubbing their webcasts of such ads?

Can't speak for Infinity - Uncle Mel must have just lifted the streaming ban,
because to date I've never been able to find Infinity stations that stream. But
Clear Channel has been streaming Internet broadcasts of their stations with no
ads at all for a year or two... first using HiWire, and now using... I forget who.

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On 21 Mar 2005 17:41:41 GMT, Steve Sobol wrote:


Can't speak for Infinity - Uncle Mel must have just lifted the streaming ban,

I can't speak for Infinity either, but the streaming ban was lifted
after Uncle Mel left the company. So far only spoken-word formats are
being streamed.

Mark Howell

On 21 Mar 2005 17:41:41 GMT, Steve Sobol wrote:

Can't speak for Infinity - Uncle Mel must have just lifted the streaming ban,
because to date I've never been able to find Infinity stations that stream. But
Clear Channel has been streaming Internet broadcasts of their stations with no
ads at all for a year or two... first using HiWire, and now using... I forget who.

"Uncle Mel" is now running Sirius, and is no longer the head honcho at
Infinity.

Several big market Infinity FMs have been streaming via the closed AOL
for Broadband system for a few months now. I believe this
"experiment" started even before Mr. Karmazin left Infinity.

Shortly thereafter, they started streaming WCBS/880, the NYC all-news
station...the first Infinity station to stream outside the AOL
network. And just last week, they launched most of Infinity's big
market all-news and news/talk stations into streaming. So, if you
haven't found Infinity stations that stream, you haven't looked very
recently

Mike Ward wrote:
On 21 Mar 2005 17:41:41 GMT, Steve Sobol wrote:


Can't speak for Infinity - Uncle Mel must have just lifted the streaming ban,
because to date I've never been able to find Infinity stations that stream. But
Clear Channel has been streaming Internet broadcasts of their stations with no
ads at all for a year or two... first using HiWire, and now using... I forget who.


"Uncle Mel" is now running Sirius,

Yeah, forgot about that.


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Mike Ward wrote in news:d1n7vf$6v7$1
@xuxa.iecc.com:

"Uncle Mel" is now running Sirius, and is no longer the head honcho at
Infinity.

And very shortly after he took over at Sirius, the few free web streams
that Sirius talent had negotiated for their hard-core fans were
unceremoniously turned off.

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On 22 Mar 2005 18:51:00 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:

And very shortly after he took over at Sirius, the few free web streams
that Sirius talent had negotiated for their hard-core fans were
unceremoniously turned off.

You know, it's no secret Mel is no fan of streaming...but I don't
really blame him in that case.

At Infinity, his strict "no streaming" policy increasingly meant that
the company seemed to be walling itself off from the growing world of
digital audio.

But at Sirius, his company is now PART of that world, and I can't
blame him for cutting off free feeds of exclusive talent, that you
can't hear anywhere else. I do believe they should stream those folks
to subscribers via their in-house streaming that already exists for
music stations on Sirius.

Mike Ward wrote in news:d1s93d$7p$1
@xuxa.iecc.com:

But at Sirius, his company is now PART of that world, and I can't
blame him for cutting off free feeds of exclusive talent, that you
can't hear anywhere else.

Nor could I, if Sirius were to offer a web-only subscription option for
those of us for whom the available Sirius hardware remains unacceptably
inflexible.

Unfortunately, the only way to subscribe to the web stream is first to
purchase Sirius hardware, because you need the hardware's serial number.

And as a matter of principle, I'm not about to buy any hardware that
isn't at least as portable as a 1980 Sony Walkman.

--
George Bush's War of Choice on Iraq is a totally unnecessary war.
Every life lost, every limb lost, every disfigurement, every
disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
and on the hands of everyone who voted for George W. Bush.