WDLT 660 Mobile AL daytime power early?
 

WDLT 660 Mobile is booming in in Central Ohio at 5:45 EDST;
they have no appreciable radiation northwards, according to the
map, and 850w nights as well, and their local sunrise is 5am CST,
which is over an hour away.

Coming in over WFAN 660 NYC.

I suspect they're on daytime power and pattern (10kw) but don't
know how to check it.
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WDLT 660 Mobile is booming in in Central Ohio at 5:45 EDST;
they have no appreciable radiation northwards, according to the
map, and 850w nights as well, and their local sunrise is 5am CST,
which is over an hour away.

They may very well have special permission given that tropical storm
Cindy is in their area.

Next Monday they will have hurricane Dennis.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphi...211359W_sm.gif

"Robert J Carpenter" wrote in message
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"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
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WDLT 660 Mobile is booming in in Central Ohio at 5:45 EDST;
they have no appreciable radiation northwards, according to the
map, and 850w nights as well, and their local sunrise is 5am CST,
which is over an hour away.

They may very well have special permission given that tropical storm
Cindy is in their area.

You do not need permission to use better facilities in time of emergency.

David Eduardo wrote:

"Robert J Carpenter" wrote in message
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"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
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WDLT 660 Mobile is booming in in Central Ohio at 5:45 EDST;
they have no appreciable radiation northwards, according to the
map, and 850w nights as well, and their local sunrise is 5am CST,
which is over an hour away.

They may very well have special permission given that tropical storm
Cindy is in their area.

You do not need permission to use better facilities in time of emergency.

They were still there this morning (Thurs 7/7) broadcasting emergency blues,
if so.

I'd suspect that one of their antennas is out of spec, eliminating
a required null to the north.

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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"Robert J Carpenter" wrote in message
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"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
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WDLT 660 Mobile is booming in in Central Ohio at 5:45 EDST;
they have no appreciable radiation northwards, according to the
map, and 850w nights as well, and their local sunrise is 5am CST,
which is over an hour away.

They may very well have special permission given that tropical
storm
Cindy is in their area.

You do not need permission to use better facilities in time of
emergency.

In other words the permission is blanket, not "special".

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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| "Robert J Carpenter" wrote in message
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| "Ron Hardin" wrote in message
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| WDLT 660 Mobile is booming in in Central Ohio at 5:45 EDST;
| they have no appreciable radiation northwards, according to the
| map, and 850w nights as well, and their local sunrise is 5am CST,
| which is over an hour away.

| They may very well have special permission given that tropical storm
| Cindy is in their area.

| You do not need permission to use better facilities in time of emergency.

No, but the emergency has to have been officially declared to do so,
doesn't it? Which is not to say that it wasn't, but it seems to me Cindy
was hundreds of miles off the coast when Ron posted this, and thus Mobile
wasn't yet in a declared emergency.
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On 8 Jul 2005 00:43:32 GMT, "Robert J Carpenter"
wrote:

You do not need permission to use better facilities in time of
emergency.

In other words the permission is blanket, not "special".

As I understand it, in times of emergency, a station can use its
better (daytime, etc.) facilities at any time...they just have to
notify the FCC after the fact.

Maybe blocking Don Imus' show is an emergency. :D

"Bob Haberkost" wrote in message
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| "Robert J Carpenter" wrote in message
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| "Ron Hardin" wrote in message
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| WDLT 660 Mobile is booming in in Central Ohio at 5:45 EDST;
| they have no appreciable radiation northwards, according to the
| map, and 850w nights as well, and their local sunrise is 5am CST,
| which is over an hour away.

| They may very well have special permission given that tropical storm
| Cindy is in their area.

| You do not need permission to use better facilities in time of
emergency.

No, but the emergency has to have been officially declared to do so,
doesn't it?

No. Stations that are sudden storm or eartqhake zones, or where industrial
accidents have happened to cite examples, can use discretion. Many of these
are never declared emergencies (like the Nortridge quake in 1994)

Which is not to say that it wasn't, but it seems to me Cindy
was hundreds of miles off the coast when Ron posted this, and thus Mobile
wasn't yet in a declared emergency.

I've been in a half dozen major hurricanes in Puerto Rico, and, while always
at stations that had same day and night facilities, know preparations for
them begin 48 to 72 hours in advance. A strike threat would be enough to go
to the best mode of operation possible.

On 9 Jul 2005 22:14:16 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
wrote:

| You do not need permission to use better facilities in time of emergency.

No, but the emergency has to have been officially declared to do so,
doesn't it? Which is not to say that it wasn't, but it seems to me Cindy
was hundreds of miles off the coast when Ron posted this, and thus Mobile
wasn't yet in a declared emergency.

And, as I type this, Dennis is just hours away from landfall pretty
much right in the middle of the Mobile market.

Of course, this station will likely not turn the power down early
Monday morning, thus depriving Ron of his desperately-needed Imus
fix...maybe he can squeeze a signal out of WFNR/710 Blacksburg VA, or
one of the other Imus affiliates he tries to get through the static...

Bob Haberkost wrote:
| You do not need permission to use better facilities in time of emergency.

No, but the emergency has to have been officially declared to do so,
doesn't it? Which is not to say that it wasn't, but it seems to me Cindy

Not the way I read 73.1250.
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Doug Smith W9WI wrote:
Bob Haberkost wrote:

| You do not need permission to use better facilities in time of emergency.

No, but the emergency has to have been officially declared to do so,
doesn't it? Which is not to say that it wasn't, but it seems to me Cindy


Not the way I read 73.1250.
And more import is the fact that any operation using the emergency
provisions require that the operation be uncommercialized (FCC wording).

Charlie, the old engineer

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Mike Ward wrote:
And, as I type this, Dennis is just hours away from landfall pretty
much right in the middle of the Mobile market.

Of course, this station will likely not turn the power down early
Monday morning, thus depriving Ron of his desperately-needed Imus
fix...maybe he can squeeze a signal out of WFNR/710 Blacksburg VA, or
one of the other Imus affiliates he tries to get through the static...

They've been doing it for a couple of weeks, so I doubt it's any emergency.

I think they don't get to broadcast any old way they want no matter what
I want to hear something else for, if those are the terms of the license.
I think either they've miscalculated sunrise (add vs. subtract for
daylight time) or one of their nighttime antennas is at the wrong phase
or amplitude for the required northward null.

WFNR 710 has become a very difficult shot in the last year for some reason
but I haven't investigated. A couple of years ago I was hearing WDSM 710
in Duluth as well.

http://rhhardin.home.mindspring.com/wdsm.ram
http://rhhardin.home.mindspring.com/wfnr2.ram

WFNR competes with WOR 710 NYC, splatter from WLW 700 Cincinnati and some Miami
station on 710 before sunrise.

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Ron Hardin wrote:
They've been doing it for a couple of weeks, so I doubt it's any emergency.

I think they don't get to broadcast any old way they want no matter what
I want to hear something else for, if those are the terms of the license.
I think either they've miscalculated sunrise (add vs. subtract for
daylight time) or one of their nighttime antennas is at the wrong phase
or amplitude for the required northward null.

Here they are this morning, station ID break, in Central Ohio, loudest thing
on 660 kHz, by far

http://rhhardin.home.mindspring.com/wdlt2.ram

Not bad for 800w with a null directed north.
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On 10 Jul 2005 20:16:05 GMT, Ron Hardin
wrote:

I think they don't get to broadcast any old way they want no matter what
I want to hear something else for, if those are the terms of the license.
I think either they've miscalculated sunrise (add vs. subtract for
daylight time) or one of their nighttime antennas is at the wrong phase
or amplitude for the required northward null.

Though I do like to poke a little harmless fun at the lengths you go
to, to receive Don Imus' show...I do think you're right here, and it
probably doesn't have much to do with the tropical weather in this
case.

On 10 Jul 2005 20:16:05 GMT, Ron Hardin
wrote:

WFNR 710 has become a very difficult shot in the last year for some reason
but I haven't investigated. A couple of years ago I was hearing WDSM 710
in Duluth as well.

Ron,

Why don't you just turn on MSNBC? Crystal clear via DirecTv. No
tweaking. No adjusting antennas. No nulling. No static.

Mike Ward wrote:

On 10 Jul 2005 20:16:05 GMT, Ron Hardin
wrote:

I think they don't get to broadcast any old way they want no matter what
I want to hear something else for, if those are the terms of the license.
I think either they've miscalculated sunrise (add vs. subtract for
daylight time) or one of their nighttime antennas is at the wrong phase
or amplitude for the required northward null.

Though I do like to poke a little harmless fun at the lengths you go
to, to receive Don Imus' show...I do think you're right here, and it
probably doesn't have much to do with the tropical weather in this
case.

I don't know if it's related, but I located the voice mail of the chief engineer
(I think) and he's been off for just the amount of time that WDLT has
been the owner of the frequency in Central Ohio. left a message.

All stations ought to put the chief engineer's email on their web page; you have
no idea the hassle it is to discover who they are, and I assume they'd like to
be the first to hear, not the last.

With one (WRFD 880 Columbus, spurious signal on 760) I couldn't get past the
station manager. She said they check the frequency regularly and I was probably
hearing a harmonic. The women are the worst. (Curious fact, 2 x WOSU 820 - 880 = 760)

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All stations ought to put the chief engineer's email on their web page;
you have no idea the hassle it is to discover who they are, and I assume
they'd like to be the first to hear, not the last.

Wrong, on two counts:

1) You assume every station has a chief engineer. Most stations in small
and medium markets have contract engineers...no one full-time.

2) You assume they have the time or inclination to read e-mail from the
public. Every CE I know, even those in major markets with the luxury of a
staff, has no time for such things. They have to pay attention to little
things like keeping their stations on the air.

With one (WRFD 880 Columbus, spurious signal on 760) I couldn't get past
the station manager. She said they check the frequency regularly and I was
probably hearing a harmonic. The women are the worst. (Curious fact, 2 x
WOSU 820 - 880 = 760)

Sexist comments aside, how do you know she wasn't telling the truth? How do
you know the intermod product you describe isn't being generated in your
radio?

Ron Hardin wrote:
I don't know if it's related, but I located the voice mail of the chief engineer
(I think) and he's been off for just the amount of time that WDLT has
been the owner of the frequency in Central Ohio. left a message.

Update Wednesday - no sign of WDLT this morning at 5:30-6am in Central Ohio.
Things are back to normal, for the first time in a couple weeks.

I'd guess they were running daytime power and pattern and the guy who knows where
the switch is and what it's for is back.
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Ron Hardin


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Sid Schweiger wrote:
With one (WRFD 880 Columbus, spurious signal on 760) I couldn't get past
the station manager. She said they check the frequency regularly and I was
probably hearing a harmonic. The women are the worst. (Curious fact, 2 x
WOSU 820 - 880 = 760)

Sexist comments aside, how do you know she wasn't telling the truth? How do
you know the intermod product you describe isn't being generated in your
radio?

Passive MW loop peaked at 760; all radios tried were the same.

Actual CE's, if you can get to them, are helpful and anxious to fix things,
in my experience. The blockades are not a good idea.
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Ron Hardin


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Ron Hardin wrote:
Sid Schweiger wrote:
With one (WRFD 880 Columbus, spurious signal on 760) I couldn't get past
the station manager. She said they check the frequency regularly and I was
probably hearing a harmonic. The women are the worst. (Curious fact, 2 x
WOSU 820 - 880 = 760)

Sexist comments aside, how do you know she wasn't telling the truth? How do
you know the intermod product you describe isn't being generated in your
radio?

Passive MW loop peaked at 760; all radios tried were the same.

Actual CE's, if you can get to them, are helpful and anxious to fix things,
in my experience. The blockades are not a good idea.

Spurs that are 455 KHz off the main signal are almost always the result
of image issues in the receiver. But 120 KHz below is a funny place for a spur
to be, either due to transmitter _or_ receiver problems. That's an
interesting enough one that I'd want to investigate it just from curosity
if I were the engineer.

If the GM is not helpful, a letter to the FCC sometimes is. Not a phone
call, a letter.
--scott
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