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DrDeath September 10th 06 04:50 AM

New Skyspam almost ready to fire up...
 
"Spamstar" wrote in message
oups.com...
Steveo wrote:
It's funny when two assholes agree in public, ain't it?


Yes... just like Steve Parks and DrCoward



So you've finally lowered yourself to name calling. And yet you try to
present yourself as intelligent, you failed.

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Master of Slow Code
Suffer, unto me.
Indulge, my every need.
UV Count 1
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Stupid is as stupid does.
ALL HAIL BOOKMAN!!!



Telstar Electronics September 10th 06 02:53 PM

New Skyspam almost ready to fire up...
 
Steveo wrote:
It's funny when two assholes agree in public, ain't it?


Telstar Electronics wrote:
Yes... just like Steve Parks and DrCoward

DrDeath wrote:
So you've finally lowered yourself to name calling. And yet you try to
present yourself as intelligent, you failed.



I was just agreeing with your landscaping buddy, Steve Parks.

www.telstar-electronics.com


Peter September 10th 06 05:47 PM

New SkyWave almost ready to fire up...
 
"Telstar Electronics" wrote...

Wow... you've really turned into Mr. Hyde... sorry it had to
come to that.


Everyone has their breaking point.
When you put in the effort to turn this group into something useful by posting on-topic,
technical messages - only to see people continue arguing and trolling - the most patient can
reach their breaking point.

It is sad that it comes to that, people who make an effort feeling like it is all pointless.
How many other genuine people have gone from this group because of the trolling and fighting...
how many more will go before the genuine people of the group see what is happening?


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/




Peter September 10th 06 05:47 PM

New SkyWave almost ready to fire up...
 
"Telstar Electronics" wrote...
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And neither had the time to study electronics?
You indeed always cop out at solutions that are presented to you in such
a clean way you could just implement these, make a better product, get rich
from it, and then have the time you do not now have.
Hell do you only post here for advertising? Then prepend subject with ADD:


Hmmm... Jan must have had a bad day...


Or maybe he is just p1ssed off with all the petty arguments.

Do the group Trolls not give you enough arguments?
Maybe it's true what Voob said... if he goes you simply argue amongst yourselves.


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/




Peter September 10th 06 05:47 PM

New SkyWave almost ready to fire up...
 
"Telstar Electronics" wrote...

DrDeath wrote:
I'll be the
first to admit, I'm not helping matters any by replying to and even
instigating my fair share.


Then why do you keep doing it?


A good troll has ways to sucker people into responding.


Your logic escapes me here...


We are only human, Spock.
Have you not had your share of pointless arguments on here, have
you never been hooked by some troll?


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/





Peter September 10th 06 05:48 PM

New SkyWave almost ready to fire up...
 
"DrDeath" wrote...

I would like to see more technically related issues, even when posting about
ham radio.



There's no good reason why there should not be technical posts on the
group. CB radios need fitting, tuning, reparing, etc just like any radio
equipment.


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/




Lancer September 10th 06 06:04 PM

New SkyWave almost ready to fire up...
 
Telstar Electronics wrote:

Slow Code wrote:
I've seen the insides of a lot of low cost amps and the construction on
that one looks nicer than most.


Yep, only premium quality components go into my products... and nobody
else producing amplifiers in this arena has temperature compensated
biasing and multiplexed keying capabilities.

Please explain your multiplexed keying capabilities...

Telstar Electronics September 10th 06 06:19 PM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC almost ready to fire up...
 
Lancer wrote:
Please explain your multiplexed keying capabilities...


Aside from the usual COR (carrier operated relay) switching, the
multiplexed keying capability is designed into the SkyWave 2879AB (and
soon to be released 2879ABTC). It allows the user to "hard" key the
amplifier as soon as the mic button is pushed... regardless of what
mode they're transmitting in, with no additional wiring. This is done
with a simple modification to the radio. Email me, and I will send you
the information in the form of a PDF file.

www.telstar-electronics.com


an old freind September 10th 06 09:40 PM

New SkyWave almost ready to fire up...
 

Peter wrote:
"Telstar Electronics" wrote...

Wow... you've really turned into Mr. Hyde... sorry it had to
come to that.


Everyone has their breaking point.
When you put in the effort to turn this group into something useful by posting on-topic,
technical messages - only to see people continue arguing and trolling - the most patient can
reach their breaking point.


well said

It is sad that it comes to that, people who make an effort feeling like it is all pointless.
How many other genuine people have gone from this group because of the trolling and fighting...
how many more will go before the genuine people of the group see what is happening?

most

likely nothing will affect the posters that conitue the trash a hon I
find myself wondering if they are even human in a general sense


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/



Slow Code September 11th 06 12:23 AM

New SkyWave almost ready to fire up...
 
"Peter" wrote in news:45044636.0@entanet:

"DrDeath" wrote...

I would like to see more technically related issues, even when posting
about ham radio.



There's no good reason why there should not be technical posts on the
group. CB radios need fitting, tuning, reparing, etc just like any
radio equipment.



You think CB'ers will do that, when the main goal of CB is to see who can
make their radio sound the most ****ty?

SC

Slow Code September 11th 06 12:23 AM

New SkyWave almost ready to fire up...
 
"DrDeath" wrote in
:

"Spamstar" wrote in message
oups.com...
Steveo wrote:
It's funny when two assholes agree in public, ain't it?


Yes... just like Steve Parks and DrCoward



So you've finally lowered yourself to name calling. And yet you try to
present yourself as intelligent, you failed.




You seem upset, your CB still in the repair shop?

Bummer.

Sc

an old freind September 11th 06 12:35 AM

slowcode kook on parade
 

Slow Code wrote:

slowcode kook on parade


Frank Gilliland September 11th 06 03:21 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC almost ready to fire up...
 
On 10 Sep 2006 10:19:40 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
m:

Lancer wrote:
Please explain your multiplexed keying capabilities...


Aside from the usual COR (carrier operated relay) switching, the
multiplexed keying capability is designed into the SkyWave 2879AB (and
soon to be released 2879ABTC). It allows the user to "hard" key the
amplifier as soon as the mic button is pushed... regardless of what
mode they're transmitting in, with no additional wiring. This is done
with a simple modification to the radio. Email me, and I will send you
the information in the form of a PDF file.



Instead of unbalancing your balanced modulator (and thus defeating two
of the benefits of SSB), why not run a key line along side the coax?
After all, you gotta connect the two with coax anyway, right? Just use
the external speaker jack to route it out the radio. Or, if the extra
wire is too expensive, how about modifying the radio to superimpose a
DC keying signal onto the coax that can be detected by the amp? Even
better, and since most amps are mounted close to the radio, how about
including a couple mic jacks in the amp; one for the mic and the other
for a patch cable between the amp and the radio's mic jack? The latter
could even be used with the hard-line remote keying system mentioned
earlier.

All are much better solutions than detuning the radio.







Telstar Electronics September 11th 06 11:01 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC almost ready to fire up...
 

Frank Gilliland wrote:
Or, if the extra
wire is too expensive, how about modifying the radio to superimpose a
DC keying signal onto the coax that can be detected by the amp?


This is exactly how the "multiplexed switching "capabilities of the
SkyWave amplifiers work...

www.telstar-electronics.com


Jan Panteltje September 11th 06 11:04 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC almost ready to fire up...
 
On a sunny day (Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:21:59 -0700) it happened Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

Instead of unbalancing your balanced modulator (and thus defeating two
of the benefits of SSB),


Is he doing that? You must be joking right? I do not believe he does that?

why not run a key line along side the coax?
After all, you gotta connect the two with coax anyway, right? Just use
the external speaker jack to route it out the radio. Or, if the extra
wire is too expensive, how about modifying the radio to superimpose a
DC keying signal onto the coax that can be detected by the amp? Even
better, and since most amps are mounted close to the radio, how about
including a couple mic jacks in the amp; one for the mic and the other
for a patch cable between the amp and the radio's mic jack?


Sure, use the mike connector, I have this interface anyways for packet radio
(digital), cost only 3 connectors and 1 meter wire.
But then he needs different connectors for different types of sets.
And it takes some soldering.
Could sell it as : Adapter, gold plated? adapters is big business.....

Well I think that anyways after I have seen a gold plated audio cable for 100$
in a shop here ;-)



Newton Wasp September 11th 06 11:18 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC almost ready to fire up...
 
On a sunny day (Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:21:59 -0700) it happened Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

Instead of unbalancing your balanced modulator (and thus defeating two
of the benefits of SSB),


Is he doing that? You must be joking right? I do not believe he does that?

why not run a key line along side the coax?
After all, you gotta connect the two with coax anyway, right? Just use
the external speaker jack to route it out the radio. Or, if the extra
wire is too expensive, how about modifying the radio to superimpose a
DC keying signal onto the coax that can be detected by the amp? Even
better, and since most amps are mounted close to the radio, how about
including a couple mic jacks in the amp; one for the mic and the other
for a patch cable between the amp and the radio's mic jack?


Sure, use the mike connector, I have this interface anyways for packet radio
(digital), cost only 3 connectors and 1 meter wire.
But then he needs different connectors for different types of sets.
And it takes some soldering.
Could sell it as : Adapter, gold plated? adapters is big business.....

Well I think that anyways after I have seen a gold plated audio cable for 100$
in a shop here ;-)



Telstar Electronics September 11th 06 12:40 PM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
Well, finished the testing of the temperature compensated biasing on
the new amplifier. It works as well as the original "hay-wired"
prototype I first made. I think the cicuit is very repeatable. I was
able to hold a 500mA collector current bias to +/-50mA from -30 to
+85C. Without the compensation, the variance over that temperature
range is about 4 to 5 Amps. I'm now in the process of evaluating the RF
performance... and then some life testing. If anyone is curious... the
preliminary specs are available for viewing at
http://www.telstar-electronics.com/S...202879ABTC.pdf

www.telstar-electronics.com


Telstar Electronics September 11th 06 01:37 PM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
wrote:
wrote:

woger try
http://www.mipsor.state.mi.us/**mipsor

You're a nut...

www.telstar-electronics.com


Telstar Electronics September 11th 06 06:42 PM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC almost ready to fire up...
 
Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote:
Is your "multiplexed switching" another way of referring to a phantom
wired TR line, IOW: a DC control link superimposed on the coax, isolated
by coils?
Seems like an invitation to problems if anything happens to the interface
section.
Suggestion - Use the other two connectors on the 4-pin Jones Plug to
interface the TR control link thereby keeping the DC away from the RF
connections.


I have been using this scheme for many years... and have other
customers also running the multiplexed DC signal. I have never
experienced... or heard of any issues with that arrangement from my
customers. It works just fine and eliminates having to run additional
wiring from the transmitter to amp for people that aren't satisfied
with just using the COR switching.

www.telstar-electronics.com


Slow Code September 12th 06 01:13 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC almost ready to fire up...
 
"Telstar Electronics" wrote in
ups.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
Or, if the extra
wire is too expensive, how about modifying the radio to superimpose a
DC keying signal onto the coax that can be detected by the amp?


This is exactly how the "multiplexed switching "capabilities of the
SkyWave amplifiers work...

www.telstar-electronics.com



I was wondering what you had meant my multiplexed. I've been to that with
my UHF and microwave amplifiers for years, external keying.

SC

Frank Gilliland September 12th 06 05:28 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC almost ready to fire up...
 
On 11 Sep 2006 03:01:49 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
. com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
Or, if the extra
wire is too expensive, how about modifying the radio to superimpose a
DC keying signal onto the coax that can be detected by the amp?


This is exactly how the "multiplexed switching "capabilities of the
SkyWave amplifiers work...



But I thought you said the modification required "no additional
wiring"?





Frank Gilliland September 12th 06 05:30 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
On 11 Sep 2006 04:40:18 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
. com:

Well, finished the testing of the temperature compensated biasing on
the new amplifier......



......blah, blah, blah. Quit spamming the group and start a blog.




Telstar Electronics September 12th 06 12:49 PM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
On 11 Sep 2006 04:40:18 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
Well, finished the testing of the temperature compensated biasing on
the new amplifier......


Frank Gilliland wrote:
.....blah, blah, blah. Quit spamming the group and start a blog.


That's not spam Frank... it's an update. Guess you don't know the
difference. You never were too bright... LOL

www.telstar-electronics.com


U-Know-Who September 12th 06 11:33 PM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 

"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 11 Sep 2006 04:40:18 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
Well, finished the testing of the temperature compensated biasing on
the new amplifier......


Frank Gilliland wrote:
.....blah, blah, blah. Quit spamming the group and start a blog.


That's not spam Frank... it's an update. Guess you don't know the
difference. You never were too bright... LOL


RighteeO, Mr. 3ft X 3ft ground plane man. LOL!!!



DrDeath September 13th 06 12:02 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 11 Sep 2006 04:40:18 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
Well, finished the testing of the temperature compensated biasing on
the new amplifier......


Frank Gilliland wrote:
.....blah, blah, blah. Quit spamming the group and start a blog.


That's not spam Frank... it's an update. Guess you don't know the
difference. You never were too bright... LOL



Frank has it right. Anytime you post it's either spam or you fOaming at the
mouth.

--
Owner of Daryl Hunt
Master of Slow Code
Suffer, unto me.
Indulge, my every need.
UV Count 1
Religion is a whore! (Slayer)
Stupid is as stupid does.
ALL HAIL BOOKMAN!!!



Slow Code September 13th 06 12:21 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
"Telstar Electronics" wrote in
ups.com:

On 11 Sep 2006 04:40:18 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
Well, finished the testing of the temperature compensated biasing on
the new amplifier......


Frank Gilliland wrote:
.....blah, blah, blah. Quit spamming the group and start a blog.


That's not spam Frank... it's an update. Guess you don't know the
difference. You never were too bright... LOL

www.telstar-electronics.com




I actually like your updates. While I don't need an amplifier like that,
I know the enjoyment of building and testing you get doing it.

The parts, the PC board, the schematic, planning parts placement and
layout, It's fun. :-)

I got an old piece of **** amp in the junk box, I should pull it out and
have a look at it. I think it was a two device texas star. Definately
crap construction as compared to yours.

SC

Telstar Electronics September 13th 06 12:35 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
Slow Code wrote:
I actually like your updates. While I don't need an amplifier like that,
I know the enjoyment of building and testing you get doing it.

The parts, the PC board, the schematic, planning parts placement and
layout, It's fun. :-)

I got an old piece of **** amp in the junk box, I should pull it out and
have a look at it. I think it was a two device texas star. Definately
crap construction as compared to yours.


Yes, it's fun and you always learn something doing it. These guys like
Frank and DrCoward are nothing but "spoilers"... and complain about
everyone and everything.
It's sad that they don't show us some of there superior designs... and
walk-the-walk so to speak. So far... they are definately back-seat
drivers when it comes to amplifier design... LOL

www.telstar-electronics.com


Frank Gilliland September 13th 06 12:58 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC almost ready to fire up...
 
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:30:34 GMT, Bob Dobbs EC42
wrote in pan.2006.09.12.19.30.30.999000@Quetzalcoatl:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:28:03 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 11 Sep 2006 03:01:49 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
. com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
Or, if the extra
wire is too expensive, how about modifying the radio to superimpose a
DC keying signal onto the coax that can be detected by the amp?

This is exactly how the "multiplexed switching "capabilities of the
SkyWave amplifiers work...



But I thought you said the modification required "no additional wiring"?


What's the cost of a piece of small gauge wire versus the potential
problems with trying to phantom key an amp via the RF carrying coax?
And it must be an awfully challenged operator in the first place that
needs one of those buggy COR circuits sampling, distorting, and de-tuning
the amp's input, giving that chugging lunging sound so ubiquitous on the
bands. Seems a shame to take what appears to be a cosmetically clean
design and clutter it up electronically with a bunch of unnecessary
'features'.



Agreed. Not to mention the possible disaster that could result from
having the phantom key filter circuits go resonant. I wonder if he
ever learned anything about damping.....





Steveo September 13th 06 01:11 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
"DrDeath" wrote:
"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 11 Sep 2006 04:40:18 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
Well, finished the testing of the temperature compensated biasing on
the new amplifier......

Frank Gilliland wrote:
.....blah, blah, blah. Quit spamming the group and start a blog.


That's not spam Frank... it's an update. Guess you don't know the
difference. You never were too bright... LOL


Frank has it right. Anytime you post it's either spam or you fOaming at
the mouth.

Yep, or he rips me for making an honest living with agriculture. He even
asks for me now if I don't post every two days or so. It's actually just
another excuse for him to post his CB linear spam everytime he hits send
through his free google account. I'll sell more insect control this $eason
than he'll ever sell in CB amplifiers in a lifetime. (or any year for that
matter)

Telstar Electronics September 13th 06 01:25 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 

Steveo wrote:
Yep, or he rips me for making an honest living with agriculture.


I don't mind you making an honest living from agriculture... just quit
drinking the herbicides.

www.telstar-electronics.com


Steveo September 13th 06 01:44 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
"Telstar Electronics" wrote:
Steveo wrote:
Yep, or he rips me for making an honest living with agriculture.


I don't mind you making an honest living from agriculture... just quit
drinking the herbicides.

Drink them? I wear the full apron and slash shield over a recovery drain
when I mix them Brian.

What the hell have -you- been drinking lately besides random rf from your
basement CB amplifiers?

www.telSPAM -----


DrDeath September 13th 06 01:51 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
"Telstar Electronics" wrote:
Steveo wrote:
Yep, or he rips me for making an honest living with agriculture.


I don't mind you making an honest living from agriculture... just quit
drinking the herbicides.

Drink them? I wear the full apron and slash shield over a recovery drain
when I mix them Brian.

What the hell have -you- been drinking lately besides random rf from your
basement CB amplifiers?

www.telSPAM -----


He has been uncharacteristically mouthy the last couple of weeks.

--
Owner of Daryl Hunt
Master of Slow Code
Suffer, unto me.
Indulge, my every need.
UV Count 1
Religion is a whore! (Slayer)
Stupid is as stupid does.
ALL HAIL BOOKMAN!!!



DrDeath September 13th 06 02:01 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message
oups.com...
Slow Code wrote:
I actually like your updates. While I don't need an amplifier like that,
I know the enjoyment of building and testing you get doing it.

The parts, the PC board, the schematic, planning parts placement and
layout, It's fun. :-)

I got an old piece of **** amp in the junk box, I should pull it out and
have a look at it. I think it was a two device texas star. Definately
crap construction as compared to yours.


Yes, it's fun and you always learn something doing it. These guys like
Frank and DrCoward are nothing but "spoilers"... and complain about
everyone and everything.
It's sad that they don't show us some of there superior designs... and
walk-the-walk so to speak. So far... they are definately back-seat
drivers when it comes to amplifier design... LOL



If you can't take constructive criticism then you shouldn't be engaging
people in a technical thread. Your the one that gets ****y when I make a
technical post you don't agree with.
I see your going to continue your childish name calling, good job, you get a
gold star. "Mommy, Brian called me Dr.Coward and hurt my feelings. BOO HOO!"

--
Owner of Daryl Hunt
Master of Slow Code
Suffer, unto me.
Indulge, my every need.
UV Count 1
Religion is a whore! (Slayer)
Stupid is as stupid does.
ALL HAIL BOOKMAN!!!



Steveo September 13th 06 02:01 AM

New SkySPAM 28 Prototype Working Well...
 
"DrDeath" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
"Telstar Electronics" wrote:
Steveo wrote:
Yep, or he rips me for making an honest living with agriculture.

I don't mind you making an honest living from agriculture... just quit
drinking the herbicides.

Drink them? I wear the full apron and splash shield over a recovery
drain when I mix them Brian.

What the hell have -you- been drinking lately besides random rf from
your basement CB amplifiers?

www.telSPAM -----


He has been uncharacteristically mouthy the last couple of weeks.

He's on the edge trying to sell all four units before the business year
ends.

Telstar Electronics September 13th 06 03:02 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 

DrDeath wrote:
If you can't take constructive criticism then you shouldn't be engaging
people in a technical thread.


Constructive critisism... From you???
I don't even think you believe that...
Remember, those who can't do... criticize.

www.telstar-electronics.com


Frank Gilliland September 13th 06 03:12 AM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
On 12 Sep 2006 16:35:30 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
.com:

Slow Code wrote:
I actually like your updates. While I don't need an amplifier like that,
I know the enjoyment of building and testing you get doing it.

The parts, the PC board, the schematic, planning parts placement and
layout, It's fun. :-)

I got an old piece of **** amp in the junk box, I should pull it out and
have a look at it. I think it was a two device texas star. Definately
crap construction as compared to yours.


Yes, it's fun and you always learn something doing it. These guys like
Frank and DrCoward are nothing but "spoilers"... and complain about
everyone and everything.



That's inconsistent with when I agreed with you on the thread
regarding receive preamps. Not suprisingly, you used the opportunity
to spam your amp in your reply.


It's sad that they don't show us some of there superior designs... and
walk-the-walk so to speak. So far... they are definately back-seat
drivers when it comes to amplifier design... LOL



I prefer to make money the old-fashioned way..... legally. But if you
ever pass through Spokane then drop me an email, I'll give you a tour
of the station where I worked and you can see some -real- RF power.






Not Cocksucker Lloyd September 13th 06 01:25 PM

Markie, did you look up what "Third World" means?
 

wrote:
wo


Markie try
http://www.english-tutoring.com

Then look up what "Third World" means and see that you live in similar
living condtions with that trash and junk filled yard of yours.


Telstar Electronics September 13th 06 01:32 PM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC Prototype Working Well...
 
Steveo wrote:
He has been uncharacteristically mouthy the last couple of weeks.

He's on the edge trying to sell all four units before the business year
ends.


Have another sip of pesticide... LOL

www.telstar-electronics.com


Telstar Electronics September 13th 06 01:42 PM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC on Schedule for Release in October06
 
Steveo wrote:
He's on the edge trying to sell all four units before the business year
ends.


Actually you're a little high... actually, I only have two of the
existing SkyWave 2879AB amplifiers left in stock. There are no plans to
build any more of the existing design since the new SkyWave 2879ABTC
design will be released right on schedule... sometime in mid-October.


Telstar Electronics September 13th 06 06:17 PM

New SkyWave 2879ABTC on Schedule for Release in October06
 
wrote:
Not Cocksucker Lloyd wrote:

woger try
http://www.mipsor.state.mi.us/**mipsor

ok...

www.telstar-electronics.com



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