"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
Yep, their 'definition' is right on the money.

Want to refute my 516W PEP figure any more?... LOL


That's theoretical, based on maximums, and you know this amp is not capable
of that. In real life, and with the components involved, it will not happen.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
BTW, how
did you get your distortion figures?

The 1dB compression point was calculated using an HP spectrum analyzer
I have access to at work. It was also used to get the harmonic
readings.

www.telstar-electronics.com

On 29 Sep 2006 06:39:35 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
BTW, how
did you get your distortion figures?

The 1dB compression point was calculated using an HP spectrum analyzer
I have access to at work. It was also used to get the harmonic
readings.


So how did you calculate the "1dB compression point"?

Frank Gilliland wrote:
So how did you calculate the "1dB compression point"?

RF power in vs RF power out. When the gain reduces by 1dB... you're
there.

www.telstar-electronics.com

Hello TE:

What is the harmonic content with your amp?

Do you have a filter in the output circuit?

Just wondering, here waiting for the Fedex guy.

Jay in the Mojave


Telstar Electronics wrote:

Frank Gilliland wrote:

BTW, how
did you get your distortion figures?


The 1dB compression point was calculated using an HP spectrum analyzer
I have access to at work. It was also used to get the harmonic
readings.

www.telstar-electronics.com

Jay in the Mojave wrote:
What is the harmonic content with your amp?
Do you have a filter in the output circuit?

Jay, the harmonic content is specified in the brochure at
http://www.telstar-electronics.com/SkyWave%202879AB.pdf
But Frank probably doesn't believe that either... LOL

P.S. No output filtering at this time.

www.telstar-electronics.com

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:30:53 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
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On 29 Sep 2006 05:40:05 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
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U-Know-Who wrote:
516 watts PEP, huh? You are ignorant.

http://www.telstar-electronics.com/SkyWave%202879AB.pdf

Actually it will do that... and more, if you will accept compression
distortion. I suggest you great electronics wizards go to
http://www.rf-amplifiers.com/index.php?topic=peak_power and read the
defibition of PEP. Or maybe you think the people at EMPower don't know
what they're talking about either... LOL


Yep, their 'defibition' is right on the money. Now I suggest -you- do
a little math with power dissipation and efficiency ratings.
snip


Since you don't want to do the math yourself, I'll do it for you.....

You claim 516 watts PEP and 55% efficiency. And I'll be super-nice and
say that's at 14 volts and you aren't going into saturation. So that
means:

516 watts / 14 volts = 36.86 amps
36.86 amps / 55% efficiency = 67 amps
67 amps / 2 transistors = 33.5 amps Ic on each transistor.

Well that's a problem since the transistor is rated for an absolute
maximum of 25 amps at the collector. A paradox to be sure. But wait...

An efficiency of 55% means that 45% is dissipated as heat. So:

33.5 amps * 45% = 15.1 amps
15.1 amps * 14 volts = 211 watts

Wheee, that's friggin' hot!!! Especially when the device is only rated
for 250 watts dissipation max, assuming a perfect heat sink! Now a 200
watt soldering gun will glow red in just a few seconds..... should we
take a brief sojourn into reality and calculate junction temperature?
I'm betting it will greatly exceed the max rated 175 degrees. Care to
take that bet, Brian?

Frank Gilliland wrote:
You claim 516 watts PEP and 55% efficiency. And I'll be super-nice and
say that's at 14 volts and you aren't going into saturation. So that
means:

516 watts / 14 volts = 36.86 amps
36.86 amps / 55% efficiency = 67 amps
67 amps / 2 transistors = 33.5 amps Ic on each transistor.

Amplifier efficiency isn't based on peak power (PEP) you putz... see
http://www.rf-amplifiers.com/index.php?topic=dc_input

Are you really this stupid?... or are you just putting us on?

www.telstar-electronics.com

On 29 Sep 2006 08:01:56 -0700, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
You claim 516 watts PEP and 55% efficiency. And I'll be super-nice and
say that's at 14 volts and you aren't going into saturation. So that
means:

516 watts / 14 volts = 36.86 amps
36.86 amps / 55% efficiency = 67 amps
67 amps / 2 transistors = 33.5 amps Ic on each transistor.

Amplifier efficiency isn't based on peak power (PEP) you putz... see
http://www.rf-amplifiers.com/index.php?topic=dc_input


Once again you didn't understand what I wrote. I wasn't calculating
amplifier efficiency; I calculated peak collector current -based on-
your very own amplifier efficiency claim. Would you rather I use the
transistor's collector efficiency of 35%?


Are you really this stupid?... or are you just putting us on?


I have thought of asking the same question of you, but I haven't
because you would ignore it just like all the other tough questions.
That, and I already know the answer.

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 02:03:34 GMT, "U-Know-Who"
wrote:


516 watts PEP, huh? You are ignorant.

http://www.telstar-electronics.com/SkyWave%202879AB.pdf

According to his own graph the output power levels off at about
slightly above 155 watts. Assume 165 watts.

This in reality means that a 100% single tone modulated AM signal
can reach PEP values of around 165 watts. So that his amp should be
rated around 40 watts carrier on AM and around 160 watts PEP on
sideband.