value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

Can anyone give me an aproximate value range for a 20 year old Astatic
Silver Eagle Mic? It has not been used in over 10 years, but worked
fine when i last used it. I plan on selling it, but truly have no clue
as to it's value. Thanks in advance for any responses.

value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

billyg wrote:
Can anyone give me an aproximate value range for a 20 year old Astatic
Silver Eagle Mic? It has not been used in over 10 years, but worked
fine when i last used it. I plan on selling it, but truly have no clue
as to it's value. Thanks in advance for any responses.

Go to ebay and search ended auctions for it. They still draw a decent buck
if it's clean.

value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

Steveo wrote:
billyg wrote:
Can anyone give me an aproximate value range for a 20 year old Astatic
Silver Eagle Mic? It has not been used in over 10 years, but worked
fine when i last used it. I plan on selling it, but truly have no clue
as to it's value. Thanks in advance for any responses.

Go to ebay and search ended auctions for it. They still draw a decent buck
if it's clean.

Yeah what Steveo said!

I bought a old D104 that needed soldering the base of the mic case to
the threaded do-dad. Its not exactly straight but works great. They
don't make the D104 Mics anymore. So there is a market for them.

Jay in the Mojave

value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Steveo wrote:
billyg wrote:
Can anyone give me an aproximate value range for a 20 year old Astatic
Silver Eagle Mic? It has not been used in over 10 years, but worked
fine when i last used it. I plan on selling it, but truly have no clue
as to it's value. Thanks in advance for any responses.

Go to ebay and search ended auctions for it. They still draw a decent
buck if it's clean.

Yeah what Steveo said!

I bought a old D104 that needed soldering the base of the mic case to
the threaded do-dad. Its not exactly straight but works great. They
don't make the D104 Mics anymore. So there is a market for them.

Jay in the Mojave

Hey Jay I just picked up an mc-60 cheap for this kenwood, dude dropped it
off for test and tune. It ain't an electro voice or a heil but i'm getting
good audio reports from it at any rate. (i hit the up/down switch by
mistake if i'm not careful) instead of the key.

value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

Steveo wrote:

Hey Jay I just picked up an mc-60 cheap for this kenwood, dude dropped it
off for test and tune. It ain't an electro voice or a heil but i'm getting
good audio reports from it at any rate. (i hit the up/down switch by
mistake if i'm not careful) instead of the key.

Hello Steveo:

Yeah those MC60 mics are good mics. I had one and it sounded like
broadcast quality audio. If you can get our hands on a Sure 444 those
also great mic's. Yeah you will be taking to the space shuttle if your
not careful.

I used old Motorola commercial Mics, modified to high impedance output,
with push button switchs for the up and down function. A lot of work but
it made the Motorola Radios sound great on SSB.

Jay in the Mojave

value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:13:42 -0800, Jay in the Mojave
wrote:

|Yeah those MC60 mics are good mics. I had one and it sounded like
|broadcast quality audio. If you can get our hands on a Sure 444 those
|also great mic's. Yeah you will be taking to the space shuttle if your
|not careful.
|
|------------------

The Shure 444D is a very excellent microphone. By the way I talked to
the Space Shuttle (STS-9) over 20 yrs ago.

james

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james wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:13:42 -0800, Jay in the Mojave
wrote:

|Yeah those MC60 mics are good mics. I had one and it sounded like
|broadcast quality audio. If you can get our hands on a Sure 444 those
|also great mic's. Yeah you will be taking to the space shuttle if your
|not careful.
|
|------------------

The Shure 444D is a very excellent microphone. By the way I talked to
the Space Shuttle (STS-9) over 20 yrs ago.

james

James tell about your contact with the Shuttle. What equip ant ect

Jay in the Mojave

value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:12:39 -0800, Jay in the Mojave
wrote:

|james wrote:
| On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:13:42 -0800, Jay in the Mojave
| wrote:
|
| |Yeah those MC60 mics are good mics. I had one and it sounded like
| |broadcast quality audio. If you can get our hands on a Sure 444 those
| |also great mic's. Yeah you will be taking to the space shuttle if your
| |not careful.
| |
| |------------------
|
| The Shure 444D is a very excellent microphone. By the way I talked to
| the Space Shuttle (STS-9) over 20 yrs ago.
|
| james
|
|James tell about your contact with the Shuttle. What equip ant ect
|
|Jay in the Mojave
|
|---------------------

I beleive it was a Motorola MX-300 handheld 5 watt unit into a four
element crossed yagi set up for circular polarization. It was a
duplicate of the same radio that flew on STS-9. It also helped to have
the one frequency that nobody in the amatuer community knew about
other than us at the club and those at Newington Conn. (home of the
ARRL). We had essentially a clear frequency to the shuttle and Dr.
Garriot.

james

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Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Steveo wrote:

Hey Jay I just picked up an mc-60 cheap for this kenwood, dude dropped
it off for test and tune. It ain't an electro voice or a heil but i'm
getting good audio reports from it at any rate. (i hit the up/down
switch by mistake if i'm not careful) instead of the key.

Hello Steveo:

Yeah those MC60 mics are good mics. I had one and it sounded like
broadcast quality audio. If you can get our hands on a Sure 444 those
also great mic's.


Hi Jay, yeah I've heard those Shure mics on the air and they have a nice
sound too. Microphones are a strange bird, what sounds good on one radio
may sound like crap on another. Heil makes a good sounding mic too imo. I'm
happy with this mc-60 so far..but I'm always looking for better audio, you
know how it goes..

Yeah you will be taking to the space shuttle if your
not careful.


Ya never know who may say hello next. I'm lucky over here, we have a gaggle
of local guys on SSB so there's almost always someone to rag chew with.

I used old Motorola commercial Mics, modified to high impedance output,
with push button switchs for the up and down function. A lot of work but
it made the Motorola Radios sound great on SSB.

Jay in the Mojave

Hey that's kinda slick too, sometimes you can find those for cheap too.

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On 28 Nov 2007 23:22:25 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Steveo wrote:

Hey Jay I just picked up an mc-60 cheap for this kenwood, dude dropped
it off for test and tune. It ain't an electro voice or a heil but i'm
getting good audio reports from it at any rate. (i hit the up/down
switch by mistake if i'm not careful) instead of the key.

Hello Steveo:

Yeah those MC60 mics are good mics. I had one and it sounded like
broadcast quality audio. If you can get our hands on a Sure 444 those
also great mic's.


Hi Jay, yeah I've heard those Shure mics on the air and they have a nice
sound too. Microphones are a strange bird, what sounds good on one radio
may sound like crap on another. Heil makes a good sounding mic too imo. I'm
happy with this mc-60 so far..but I'm always looking for better audio, you
know how it goes..


The two things to watch are impedance and output level. You need a mic
with an output impedance that is equal to, or lower than, the input
impedance of the radio. The Shure 444D and some other mics let you
switch between low and high impedance outputs to better match the
radio. As for the mic's output level, if it's fixed then you need to
adjust the mic gain to match the mic. Note that high impedance mics
generally have high output levels, and low impedance mics have low
output levels. So if you want to use a low impedance mic with a radio
that wants a high impedance mic, you may need either an impedance
transformer or a mic pre-amp to get the level high enough for the
radio to use.

Sometimes I don't explain things very well, so if you got lost then
let me know and I'll try to explain it better.

value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 28 Nov 2007 23:22:25 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Steveo wrote:

Hey Jay I just picked up an mc-60 cheap for this kenwood, dude
dropped it off for test and tune. It ain't an electro voice or a
heil but i'm getting good audio reports from it at any rate. (i hit
the up/down switch by mistake if i'm not careful) instead of the
key.

Hello Steveo:

Yeah those MC60 mics are good mics. I had one and it sounded like
broadcast quality audio. If you can get our hands on a Sure 444 those
also great mic's.


Hi Jay, yeah I've heard those Shure mics on the air and they have a nice
sound too. Microphones are a strange bird, what sounds good on one radio
may sound like crap on another. Heil makes a good sounding mic too imo.
I'm happy with this mc-60 so far..but I'm always looking for better
audio, you know how it goes..

The two things to watch are impedance and output level. You need a mic
with an output impedance that is equal to, or lower than, the input
impedance of the radio. The Shure 444D and some other mics let you
switch between low and high impedance outputs to better match the
radio. As for the mic's output level, if it's fixed then you need to
adjust the mic gain to match the mic. Note that high impedance mics
generally have high output levels, and low impedance mics have low
output levels. So if you want to use a low impedance mic with a radio
that wants a high impedance mic, you may need either an impedance
transformer or a mic pre-amp to get the level high enough for the
radio to use.

Sometimes I don't explain things very well, so if you got lost then
let me know and I'll try to explain it better.

Hello Frank

Yeah you explained it just fine man. I understand the impedance part and
mostly high z with tube rigs and low z with transistor's. This mc-60 is
switchable to either but like I said before mics are a strange bird and
will vary from transmitter rig to rig and brand. You never know until you
hear it on the air.

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On 29 Nov 2007 02:22:22 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 28 Nov 2007 23:22:25 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Steveo wrote:

Hey Jay I just picked up an mc-60 cheap for this kenwood, dude
dropped it off for test and tune. It ain't an electro voice or a
heil but i'm getting good audio reports from it at any rate. (i hit
the up/down switch by mistake if i'm not careful) instead of the
key.

Hello Steveo:

Yeah those MC60 mics are good mics. I had one and it sounded like
broadcast quality audio. If you can get our hands on a Sure 444 those
also great mic's.


Hi Jay, yeah I've heard those Shure mics on the air and they have a nice
sound too. Microphones are a strange bird, what sounds good on one radio
may sound like crap on another. Heil makes a good sounding mic too imo.
I'm happy with this mc-60 so far..but I'm always looking for better
audio, you know how it goes..

The two things to watch are impedance and output level. You need a mic
with an output impedance that is equal to, or lower than, the input
impedance of the radio. The Shure 444D and some other mics let you
switch between low and high impedance outputs to better match the
radio. As for the mic's output level, if it's fixed then you need to
adjust the mic gain to match the mic. Note that high impedance mics
generally have high output levels, and low impedance mics have low
output levels. So if you want to use a low impedance mic with a radio
that wants a high impedance mic, you may need either an impedance
transformer or a mic pre-amp to get the level high enough for the
radio to use.

Sometimes I don't explain things very well, so if you got lost then
let me know and I'll try to explain it better.

Hello Frank

Yeah you explained it just fine man. I understand the impedance part and
mostly high z with tube rigs and low z with transistor's.


Unfortunately, that's not the case. Tubes are often fed at the cathode
which requires a low impedance mic, and transistor mic preamps are
usually in a common-emitter configuration requiring a high impedance
mic. And -then- it depends on whether the input is run through an
input transformer, converting low-Z to hi-Z or vice-versa. Ya just
gotta read the manual and know the radio.


This mc-60 is
switchable to either but like I said before mics are a strange bird and
will vary from transmitter rig to rig and brand. You never know until you
hear it on the air.


That was the point I was trying to make -- a lot of those variations
are due to differences in impedance and mic output levels. The mic
preamp gain for one radio may have been set for one specific mic,
while the preamp gain for another radio of the same model may have
been set at a different level for a different mic. And sometimes there
are even significant variations between mics that are the same model,
especially with crytal mics. My point being that if you can adjust the
mic's output level and match the impedance to the transmitter, the
sound can be fairly predictable.

BTW, I used to have a setup with a small 4-channel mixer board. Ran
the mic on line 1 and the cassette deck on 2 (never used the other
two). Worked great, I could plug almost any mic I wanted into the
board although it was usually occupied by the Shure 57. Used a foot
switch for keying. Best setup I ever ran. I really should look for
that old mixer board.....

value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 02:22:22 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 28 Nov 2007 23:22:25 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Steveo wrote:

Hey Jay I just picked up an mc-60 cheap for this kenwood, dude
dropped it off for test and tune. It ain't an electro voice or a
heil but i'm getting good audio reports from it at any rate. (i
hit the up/down switch by mistake if i'm not careful) instead of
the key.

Hello Steveo:

Yeah those MC60 mics are good mics. I had one and it sounded like
broadcast quality audio. If you can get our hands on a Sure 444
those also great mic's.


Hi Jay, yeah I've heard those Shure mics on the air and they have a
nice sound too. Microphones are a strange bird, what sounds good on
one radio may sound like crap on another. Heil makes a good sounding
mic too imo. I'm happy with this mc-60 so far..but I'm always looking
for better audio, you know how it goes..

The two things to watch are impedance and output level. You need a mic
with an output impedance that is equal to, or lower than, the input
impedance of the radio. The Shure 444D and some other mics let you
switch between low and high impedance outputs to better match the
radio. As for the mic's output level, if it's fixed then you need to
adjust the mic gain to match the mic. Note that high impedance mics
generally have high output levels, and low impedance mics have low
output levels. So if you want to use a low impedance mic with a radio
that wants a high impedance mic, you may need either an impedance
transformer or a mic pre-amp to get the level high enough for the
radio to use.

Sometimes I don't explain things very well, so if you got lost then
let me know and I'll try to explain it better.

Hello Frank

Yeah you explained it just fine man. I understand the impedance part and
mostly high z with tube rigs and low z with transistor's.

Unfortunately, that's not the case. Tubes are often fed at the cathode
which requires a low impedance mic, and transistor mic preamps are
usually in a common-emitter configuration requiring a high impedance
mic. And -then- it depends on whether the input is run through an
input transformer, converting low-Z to hi-Z or vice-versa. Ya just
gotta read the manual and know the radio.

This mc-60 is
switchable to either but like I said before mics are a strange bird and
will vary from transmitter rig to rig and brand. You never know until
you hear it on the air.

That was the point I was trying to make -- a lot of those variations
are due to differences in impedance and mic output levels. The mic
preamp gain for one radio may have been set for one specific mic,
while the preamp gain for another radio of the same model may have
been set at a different level for a different mic. And sometimes there
are even significant variations between mics that are the same model,
especially with crytal mics. My point being that if you can adjust the
mic's output level and match the impedance to the transmitter, the
sound can be fairly predictable.

BTW, I used to have a setup with a small 4-channel mixer board. Ran
the mic on line 1 and the cassette deck on 2 (never used the other
two). Worked great, I could plug almost any mic I wanted into the
board although it was usually occupied by the Shure 57. Used a foot
switch for keying. Best setup I ever ran. I really should look for
that old mixer board.....

Gotcha that time, Frank. As for me..I'm as close to broadcast quality audio
as I can get so far and that is -not- without experiments with gain and
impedance.

It's like I said last year, I wish you lived down the road from me so you
could keep me on the right track. :)

I'm still looking at those electro-voices too.

--
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On 29 Nov 2007 05:39:15 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

snip
I'm still looking at those electro-voices too.


What's the draw to those?

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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 05:39:15 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

snip
I'm still looking at those electro-voice too.

What's the draw to those?


The look and the sound. Ever hear one on the air?

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On 29 Nov 2007 07:33:49 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 05:39:15 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

snip
I'm still looking at those electro-voice too.

What's the draw to those?


The look and the sound. Ever hear one on the air?


.....uh, yeah..... I work with them every day. The RE20 is probably the
standard BC mic if there is one. But unless you're Bing reincarnate,
none of the high-end EV's are going to improve the quality of your
audio over a condenser that costs a third of the price -- usually
less. If you want punch or pizzazz then you need processing. And not
Brian's junk, either. Software is cheapest, but you can probably find
some good used hardware if you look around.

value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 07:33:49 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 05:39:15 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

snip
I'm still looking at those electro-voice too.

What's the draw to those?


The look and the sound. Ever hear one on the air?

....uh, yeah..... I work with them every day. The RE20 is probably the
standard BC mic if there is one. But unless you're Bing reincarnate,
none of the high-end EV's are going to improve the quality of your
audio over a condenser that costs a third of the price -- usually
less. If you want punch or pizzazz then you need processing. And not
Brian's junk, either. Software is cheapest, but you can probably find
some good used hardware if you look around.

They usually sound better with the in-radio processor turned off from what
I've heard on the air. (processor on to cut thru the pile so to speak)but
not really, they still sound better without it.

They can be fairly expensive mics..I like the look of the 664 sorta like an
old Cadillac. Sounds good too.

http://www.coutant.org/ev664/cable.jpg

Cool microphones if only for the look and nothing else.
How good is good enough? We talk on mics and compare audio around here,
best way to window shop with a limited by the budget.

Wire it up and talk on it. (through caution to the wind)

--
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On 29 Nov 2007 08:40:34 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 07:33:49 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 05:39:15 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

snip
I'm still looking at those electro-voice too.

What's the draw to those?


The look and the sound. Ever hear one on the air?

....uh, yeah..... I work with them every day. The RE20 is probably the
standard BC mic if there is one. But unless you're Bing reincarnate,
none of the high-end EV's are going to improve the quality of your
audio over a condenser that costs a third of the price -- usually
less. If you want punch or pizzazz then you need processing. And not
Brian's junk, either. Software is cheapest, but you can probably find
some good used hardware if you look around.

They usually sound better with the in-radio processor turned off from what
I've heard on the air. (processor on to cut thru the pile so to speak)but
not really, they still sound better without it.


I don't doubt it. The stock filters/limiters/AGC aren't designed for
quality audio.


They can be fairly expensive mics..I like the look of the 664 sorta like an
old Cadillac. Sounds good too.

http://www.coutant.org/ev664/cable.jpg

Cool microphones if only for the look and nothing else.


I like the looks of the old Turners myself.


How good is good enough? We talk on mics and compare audio around here,
best way to window shop with a limited by the budget.

Wire it up and talk on it. (through caution to the wind)


How much electronics experience do you have, soldering and such?

value of a 20 year old Astatic Silver Eagle Mic
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:37:14 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

|On 28 Nov 2007 23:22:25 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:
|
|Jay in the Mojave wrote:
| Steveo wrote:
|
| Hey Jay I just picked up an mc-60 cheap for this kenwood, dude dropped
| it off for test and tune. It ain't an electro voice or a heil but i'm
| getting good audio reports from it at any rate. (i hit the up/down
| switch by mistake if i'm not careful) instead of the key.
|
| Hello Steveo:
|
| Yeah those MC60 mics are good mics. I had one and it sounded like
| broadcast quality audio. If you can get our hands on a Sure 444 those
| also great mic's.
|
|
|Hi Jay, yeah I've heard those Shure mics on the air and they have a nice
|sound too. Microphones are a strange bird, what sounds good on one radio
|may sound like crap on another. Heil makes a good sounding mic too imo. I'm
|happy with this mc-60 so far..but I'm always looking for better audio, you
|know how it goes..
|
|
|The two things to watch are impedance and output level. You need a mic
|with an output impedance that is equal to, or lower than, the input
|impedance of the radio. The Shure 444D and some other mics let you
|switch between low and high impedance outputs to better match the
|radio. As for the mic's output level, if it's fixed then you need to
|adjust the mic gain to match the mic. Note that high impedance mics
|generally have high output levels, and low impedance mics have low
|output levels. So if you want to use a low impedance mic with a radio
|that wants a high impedance mic, you may need either an impedance
|transformer or a mic pre-amp to get the level high enough for the
|radio to use.
|
|Sometimes I don't explain things very well, so if you got lost then
|let me know and I'll try to explain it better.
|
|--------------

Actually that was very well presented.

Shure also made a 444T that was a low impedance mic that had a built
in transistorized preamp to give enough umph.

james

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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 08:40:34 GMT, Steveo wrote in
How much electronics experience do you have, soldering and such?

Just enough to get me in trouble as far as that goes..no problem soldering
up a mic connector as long as I have the pin out.

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Steveo wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 08:40:34 GMT, Steveo wrote in
How much electronics experience do you have, soldering and such?

Just enough to get me in trouble as far as that goes..no problem
soldering up a mic connector as long as I have the pin out.

I almost forgot to ask which antenna's you run, Frank?

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On 01 Dec 2007 06:25:21 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Steveo wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 08:40:34 GMT, Steveo wrote in
How much electronics experience do you have, soldering and such?

Just enough to get me in trouble as far as that goes..no problem
soldering up a mic connector as long as I have the pin out.

I almost forgot to ask which antenna's you run, Frank?


A wire in the trees (Voobner was right, just throw a couple wires in
the trees and use a tuner -- works great). I had an A99 but it got
nuked by lightning. I've got a CCD in the attic but haven't hooked it
up for a while. Next spring I plan on building a new mast and hoisting
a vertical CCD just for experimentation.

Aren't you running one of Jay's contraptions?

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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 01 Dec 2007 06:25:21 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Steveo wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 29 Nov 2007 08:40:34 GMT, Steveo wrote
in
How much electronics experience do you have, soldering and such?

Just enough to get me in trouble as far as that goes..no problem
soldering up a mic connector as long as I have the pin out.

I almost forgot to ask which antenna's you run, Frank?

A wire in the trees

Good answer

(Voobner was right,

Oh yeah Voob

just throw a couple wires in
the trees and use a tuner -- works great). I had an A99 but it got
nuked by lightning. I've got a CCD in the attic but haven't hooked it
up for a while. Next spring I plan on building a new mast and hoisting
a vertical CCD just for experimentation.


Voobner hooked you up

Aren't you running one of Jay's contraptions?

I'm running the interceptor for a ground plane 37' off the ground, is that
what you call a contraption? It seems to work well.

http://www.a1antennas.com/

Then I have the flatside yagi 80' away from it but it's only about 32' up.
It smokes most antenna's for dx usually, but not always.

Reckon what voobner would use?