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#11
July 14th 03, 04:39 AM
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
... Is that why you are arguing with me now? Was the purpose of your original post in this thread to discuss "CB radio information"? Practice what you preach. I am just stating the facts, not arguing. Of course this information can't be supressed. But it -can- be evaluated for it's technical validity. For example, "swang" is a new word for an old concept: DSBRC (Double-SideBand Reduced Carrier), a mode given up over half a century ago because it causes more problems than it solves. So when a CB newbie listens to some dummy talking about 'bird-watts', don't you think he would like to know the truth of the matter? Of course he would, and that's all I'm doing. It's the "golden-screwdriver" techs that spread this 'information', and instead of supressing it, I just tell what the 'information' really means so the CBer can make an informed decision as to whether or not to trash his radio. Whether you like it or not, do you suppose that you are arguing about things that you and the so-called "golden crewdrivers" agree upon? Sometimes I have to re-read the posts and find out that both of you folks are saying the exact same thing, just in a different way. Maybe some people don't have the technical "tongue" like you do, but chastizing such people only degrades your validity. Do you like getting picked on? I think you are taking the word "goals" to the extreme -- That's what you wrote and I just merely responded to your post. I merely meant that if a person wants more from radio than what the CB has to offer then he has three choices: 1) Memorize the question pool and get a license; 2) Operate illegally; or 3) Find another hobby. And no, the information isn't going away, but as I said before, that 'information' is incomplete. If the CBer knows all the facts then he can make a decision that's better for both him and the band. True. Since you brought it up, speeding isn't a federal offense and doesn't carry a maximum fine of $17,000. That may scare some, while it may be nothing more than a financial risk to others. But it's DEFINITELY something that everyone should know BEFORE they make that decision. But on the contrary, Frank. Speeding can be a cause of many felonious behaviors. Like radio, like speeding. It is the same thing. Owning a radio is not a federal offense. Operating it "illegally" is. Speeding is not a federal offense. Speeding and killing someone is. Know what I mean? There have been MANY technical discussions here that haven't become a thread about legalities. But you are right, many technical discussions do end up about legalities. Why? I'll tell you... Just for the sake of argument, just how technical can CB get? I mean, the CB is a radio service that was intended to have minimal technical requirements, which is why there is no license (and when a license was required in the past it required no test of technical competence). Just hook up the power, run the antenna, plug in the mic and you're working (and to think that some people make that their hobby...LOL!). Yet most technical discussions seem to be about swang, bird-watts, keydowns, amps, flame-throwing antennas and being as loud as possible. IOW, most of the technical topics here focus around -illegal- CB, and that's why legal issues come up so often. What's wrong with that? Talking about such subjects is not illegal. Even if -encourages- such illegal activities, let them suffer the consequences. Not rub it in... Slightly OT, why does everything here have to be about technical topics? How about making a hobby of COMMUNICATING on the CB? About the only posts made in this newsgroup even remotely close to -that- topic are Twisty's DX reports. But you and your compadres BASH him for it. Doesn't anybody think about what's possible with CB radio? Like, how about setting up CB broadcasts for Amber Alerts, or organizing networks for public events? When was the last time you saw any mention of the REACT program in this newsgroup? : Have you done such a thing? You may say you do or don't, but how do I know. It's one thing to talk about starting such broadcasts and another about actually doing it. end rant Thanks... If I bother you that much then maybe you should take a break from the newsgroups for a while. It was a joke, Franklin. A little humor didn't hurt nobody. Your choice to believe that CB is in a state of anarchy is nothing but a precursor to that "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse I mentioned before. No. It is a trend. "...beat 'em, join 'em" had nothing to do with what was, did, is and will go on. And soon, like the CB boom of the '70's, it will fade away and slowly creep back up again. That's the way it is and that's the truth. WHOA there butthole, where did I say anything about being a "baby-killer"? You need to take a step back (and probably a Valium). Like you, like me... I just posted my reaction to your post. I wish I could get ahold of some Valium right now... my back is killing me. If you are so stupid that you can't handle the unbelievably simple requirements to get a license and operate legally, then could give a **** about your "hobby". NOW I'M STUPID... when does it stop, Frank? You're the stupid one that frequents this NG day in and day out, EVERYday for the past (3) years since my last post. I've read and you're still here. And you just don't get the notion that you are the subject of mockery by everyone here (except your AKC cheering section). And you're calling me stupid? I work on my Harley instead of messing with these cats in here that do not get the message you and the AKC is trying to promote. I don't suppose you have ever heard of the Anasazi.... That was then... this is now. You mean to tell me you are going to be a cultural influence and change things over night? How about something more previous in history... have you ever heard of "BUCKWHEAT" ?snicker RASTA, the Keyclown Psychic. No. Just a RASTA... we tell the truth. have a good day. I usually do. When you do have a nice day, you usually shoot that **** down by coming here and getting your blood-pressure up. What is this about you drinking now? But really, have a good one. |
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#12
July 14th 03, 04:58 AM
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:55:04 -0500, "The2x4"
wrote: There are less than a dozen purest guardians and their adversaries so it won't fill up your killfile. They produce 95.94% of all the posts on here. I'm with you RASTA, I just want to discuss radio...... The2x4 Me too! Always have. That is the main reason for coming here but as was mentioned by others before. The crap that goes on in this group NEVER and I mean NEVER even affects the real guy on the cb. I mean forget about the diehard guys as was said they dont even know this place exists and for the ones that do and by the small chance even visit here, they still get on their big linears and talk skip or compete as they choose! It affects nothing in the real world but yes it may have bothered some who are on this group. In reality for the guy that at this very moment is using a 16 pill linear talking skip and enjoying his setup, doesn't give a rat's ass that there are some old geeky folk on some newsgroup somewhere that dont like what he is doing. I mean even if I went and told him! The bickering and all the childish sex talk does nothing to promote the anti key cause. |
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#13
July 14th 03, 05:36 AM
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#14
July 14th 03, 05:55 AM
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#15
July 14th 03, 06:40 AM
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Let me help you a little here GW:
"gw" wrote in message om... Frank Gilliland wrote in message . .. In , "RASTA" wrote: For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see (hear) the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're chit-chatting, newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for cleaning up the band? Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted which can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works; whether you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation. Why not get a job at the FCC? otherwise it's just trolling. Should I answer that? Don't need to. This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random bashing. Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know where to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio subject matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws. Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past several years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break those laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier: First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for the prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their goals. I sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many more of these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest in radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too difficult and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals. Again, same answer if you are so concerned why not join the FCC, you'll feel a lot better being able to actually enforce the laws than troll the newsgroup The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided without any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and non-CBers alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On the contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that federal communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. They are only rules, part 95 is just that, rules. But they aren't to be ignored, because after many repeated violations they can charge you with breaking a "Law", but that is far and few between. Then there are those that would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is impossible without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a good thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence. This only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the band or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to make a decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the financial security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical multi-thousand dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be negatively impacted by his selfishness. So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics that are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to supress those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional right to free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy. Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was on this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down. Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and Dave, it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves (like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change. That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we are all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other plans. Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the better and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for their lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active hand in changing things for the better. Again, feel free to join the FCC, they'll welcome you with open arms. But otherwise, anything other than tech advise, you're trolling. Because if everybody gives up and starts doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole thing falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a bright future for CB radio. AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often. Go play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks want something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing changed! Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer control the newsgroup. Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way they are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't far behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom of speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds. More and more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the hams, and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because illegal CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier radios than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and will continue to change whether you like it or not. LOL!!!! Frank's losing it again.... Illusions of grandeur! I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio conversations. I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for skip from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care... Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- mr gilliland............most of the people using amps and using cb radios..........they don't even get on here nor do they know about this newsgroup.........hell....most of them can't even use a computer..........so please .......this newsgroup does not affect anyone's behavior in the least..........that argument is falacious and the only damn reason you say that is to justify your silly pitiful behavior.........grow up and get a life pal................ Maybe that will help you a little better GW. Landshark -- Any day riding, is better than being a newsgroupie 73 Baja Stroppe Bronco 98 Buell S3 Thunderbolt 99 Ford F-150 Supercab 4X4 (antenna platform) |
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#16
July 14th 03, 12:07 PM
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
... snip, snip Nope. How so? snip, snip Killing somebody is homicide, not speeding. The means just justifies the end. Nor is talking about the legality of such subjects. Then where does name calling come into play? You whined about how so many technical threads end up in legal discussions. I explained why it happens. What's the problem? Now I'm a whiner. Good god... There is no problem. The solution is not to drag **** out like this thread. I only post the truth, what is your problem? Can't handle the truth? I bash him -regardless- of his psuedo-relevant contributions to the group. As far as his contributions to the group goes, it's like yours and your compadres rants. Does nothing for this group. Actually, now that I think about it, an unofficial "Amber Alert Channel" isn't such a bad idea. After all, the broadcasting of emergency information and road conditions is allowed. I think I'll send an email off to the FCC to see if it's legal to broadcast Amber Alert information. THERE YOU GO! Something positive for all CBer's (in your parts) can use. Heck, I might do the same here. Wishing someone to die isn't very funny. sheesh... Nothing lasts forever. Radio will. Don't forget that I was also the subject of harassment. And I'm not talking about basic trolling or flaming. I'm talking about being stalked, getting threats in the email, attempts to intercept my private email conversations, and having N7VCF's phone number posted hundreds of times with instructions on when to call and how not to get traced. But you didn't complain about that, did you? Instead you are complaining about ME posting "EVERYday" for three years, which isn't true at all. You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your counterparts started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control. When control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the AKC beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man, that's the truth. You want to talk about stupid? I worked most of my life in radio, spent five years earning my degree, work full-time as a BE and part-time in my own shop (and it ain't a CB radio shop). I spend a lot of time on the computer because it's a major part of what I do for a career. Sometimes work is slow and I post more often, and other times work is busy and I post less frequently. Now how is that stupid? That is your problem. I don't see anything here that directly affects your 'career'. What's wrong with that? Nor do I see anyone here affecting your business. Coming here during business hours and flaming kids from Florida IS stupid. I said nothing of the sort. Don't read your opinions into my statments. Explain then... How about something more previous in history... have you ever heard of "BUCKWHEAT" ?snicker Apparenly not, since I don't get the joke. Obviously... It's another of Twisty's rumors. He enjoys accusing people of things he thinks can't be disproven in the newsgroup. He has also accused me of being five different hammies and I'm not even a ham. So give it as much weight as you feel is justified. But really, have a good one. Like I said, I usually do. Whatever. But let me clarify something... My original post was for what I saw and read. I did not post my original message to attack you at all, Franklin. That was not my intentions. You made it your business to reply to my post. Now if it was someone else from your AKC Organization, then I would've responded to their post. Don't take this as personal as you think it is-because it is not. I just merely posted the truth. Anyway, go ahead and have a good one. This one is on me... free of charge. REALLY... |
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#17
July 14th 03, 02:29 PM
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"RASTA" wrote in message . .. You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your counterparts started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control. When control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the AKC beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man, that's the truth. How long have you been trolling this NG and under what name? |
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July 14th 03, 04:17 PM
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#19
July 14th 03, 04:27 PM
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"sheik yerbooti" wrote in message
... "RASTA" wrote in message . .. You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your counterparts started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control. When control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the AKC beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man, that's the truth. How long have you been trolling this NG and under what name? How about this... what is your name and what is your email address? You post yours with proof and I will post mine. I gotta see this one... |
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July 14th 03, 05:47 PM
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In , "RASTA"
wrote: "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message .. . snip, snip Nope. How so? For example, many of them think that snipping the limiter is a good thing, when in fact it isn't. Many think that Class C amps are linear but they are not. Etc, etc, etc. snip, snip Killing somebody is homicide, not speeding. The means just justifies the end. If the means is 'speeding' and the end is 'homocide', how is homocide justified by speeding? Nor is talking about the legality of such subjects. Then where does name calling come into play? When you claimed that I made the jump from talking skip to killing babies. You whined about how so many technical threads end up in legal discussions. I explained why it happens. What's the problem? Now I'm a whiner. Good god... There is no problem. The solution is not to drag **** out like this thread. I only post the truth, what is your problem? Can't handle the truth? I never said you didn't, and I replied with more truth. Again, what's the problem? I bash him -regardless- of his psuedo-relevant contributions to the group. As far as his contributions to the group goes, it's like yours and your compadres rants. Does nothing for this group. Then why don't you post a rant about him? Actually, now that I think about it, an unofficial "Amber Alert Channel" isn't such a bad idea. After all, the broadcasting of emergency information and road conditions is allowed. I think I'll send an email off to the FCC to see if it's legal to broadcast Amber Alert information. THERE YOU GO! Something positive for all CBer's (in your parts) can use. Heck, I might do the same here. It really isn't a bad idea at all. I was thinking that Ch. 10 might be good because it's right next to Ch. 9 (keeping that channel open), but on the side away from Ch. 6 so it won't pick up as much splatter. Ch. 10 could carry short broadcasts at timed intervals to provide descriptions and contact information, and brief notifications of the broadcast can be made on Ch. 19. The broadcasts could be made by CBers who volunteer for the job in cooperation with their local law enforcement, such as through the C.O.P.S. program (Community Oriented Policing Services). You could also look into getting the broadcasts protected as emergency transmissions. snip You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your counterparts started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control. When control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the AKC beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man, that's the truth. Remember that it was THEIR choice to escalate it into a level of harassment that was clearly illegal. If a woman wears provocative clothing, is it her fault if she gets raped? From a different angle, if a drunk driver gets busted, is it the cops fault that the person lands in jail? Why do some people always have to find someone else to blame for their own behavior? If you are chastizing me because they behave poorly then you need to get a new perspective. And don't EVEN come down on ME for speaking out against illegal operators because it is THEIR fault that the CB is in a state of chaos. Again, put the blame where it belongs. You want to talk about stupid? I worked most of my life in radio, spent five years earning my degree, work full-time as a BE and part-time in my own shop (and it ain't a CB radio shop). I spend a lot of time on the computer because it's a major part of what I do for a career. Sometimes work is slow and I post more often, and other times work is busy and I post less frequently. Now how is that stupid? That is your problem. I don't see anything here that directly affects your 'career'. What's wrong with that? Nor do I see anyone here affecting your business. That's because I don't do business over the internet anymore. And I never said that anything in the newsgroup affects my career, just that I spend a lot of time on the computer. I also access the internet through my computer. See the relationship? Coming here during business hours and flaming kids from Florida IS stupid. Kids? You mean Twisty? How is he a 'kid' if he claims to be a professional journalist with a wife and kid of his own? And why is flaming him stupid? I said nothing of the sort. Don't read your opinions into my statments. Explain then... From the beginning: You said people don't die, they just multiply. I responded with a mention of the Anasazi (a lost civilization), and you came back with "You mean to tell me you are going to be a cultural influence and change things over night?" If you want an explanation then figure out why you responded with such an irrelevant question. Regardless, I never said that I was going to change things "over night". How about something more previous in history... have you ever heard of "BUCKWHEAT" ?snicker Apparenly not, since I don't get the joke. Obviously... Then why don't you explain it? It's another of Twisty's rumors. He enjoys accusing people of things he thinks can't be disproven in the newsgroup. He has also accused me of being five different hammies and I'm not even a ham. So give it as much weight as you feel is justified. But really, have a good one. Like I said, I usually do. Whatever. But let me clarify something... My original post was for what I saw and read. I did not post my original message to attack you at all, Franklin. That was not my intentions. Check this out: "With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and Dave, it ain't doing no good for these guys." Now if you weren't referring to me, then who? You made it your business to reply to my post. Wrong. Your post was directed at me (among others), and you even included my name. YOU made it my business. Now if it was someone else from your AKC Organization, then I would've responded to their post. Don't take this as personal as you think it is-because it is not. I just merely posted the truth. You posted your opinion. Seems like you and Twisty have the same problem of being unable to differentiate opinion from truth. If you disagree, then maybe you should explain a few things, beginning with why your claim that I have posted everyday for the past three years is the truth. Anyway, go ahead and have a good one. This one is on me... free of charge. REALLY... No need for you to pick up the tab, I'm perfectly capable of having a fine day on my own. And I usually do. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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