In , "RASTA"
wrote:

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
.. .

Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted
which
can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works;
whether
you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.

Understood. But through constant "bickering"? By all means, I can see and
respect that you and your fellow compadres are actively taking part in
trying to "take up arms" (per say) in reminding others about the legalities
of radio. But through this newsgroup, people wants information about RADIO!
Not Part 97 of the FCC Regulations. If "they" want to commit " radio
piracy", then that's "their" choice. Of course, your choice is to prevent
that... but that is your choice too. But constant arguments is not going to
influence anything but chase the newcomer away... and this newsgroup will
not fulfill its intended purpose. CB radio information.

Is that why you are arguing with me now? Was the purpose of your original post
in this thread to discuss "CB radio information"? Practice what you preach.

Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past
several
years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break
those
laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:

Franklin... whether this makes any sense, the internet's expanse is too
infinte to try to stop anyone(s) hunger for information. Whether they get
their information from here or not, there is too many websites that
information can be attained from. You or your counterparts cannot stop
that. Even if you try to throw in a little bit of the regulations in a
thread, info seekers will just move on and find other forums to get the info
needed.

Of course this information can't be supressed. But it -can- be evaluated for
it's technical validity. For example, "swang" is a new word for an old concept:
DSBRC (Double-SideBand Reduced Carrier), a mode given up over half a century ago
because it causes more problems than it solves. So when a CB newbie listens to
some dummy talking about 'bird-watts', don't you think he would like to know the
truth of the matter? Of course he would, and that's all I'm doing. It's the
"golden-screwdriver" techs that spread this 'information', and instead of
supressing it, I just tell what the 'information' really means so the CBer can
make an informed decision as to whether or not to trash his radio.

First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for
the
prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their
goals. I
sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many
more of
these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest
in
radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too
difficult
and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.

This may sound bad, but CB radio will not influence anyone to accomplish any
goals. It is a hobby. It is not a lifestyle. One thing is for certain...
society as a whole doesn't need anyone from Louisiana, Washington State,
Ohio, New York or Philadelphia to tell it what it can do and what it can't.
Society is self-educated. It's the way it is. And trying to "STOP" that
"freely available" information is like "...trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup."

I think you are taking the word "goals" to the extreme -- I merely meant that if
a person wants more from radio than what the CB has to offer then he has three
choices: 1) Memorize the question pool and get a license; 2) Operate illegally;
or 3) Find another hobby. And no, the information isn't going away, but as I
said before, that 'information' is incomplete. If the CBer knows all the facts
then he can make a decision that's better for both him and the band.

The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided
without
any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and
non-CBers
alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On
the
contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that
federal
communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those
that
would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is
impossible
without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a
good
thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence.
This
only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the
band
or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to
make a
decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the
financial
security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical
multi-thousand
dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be
negatively
impacted by his selfishness.

I cannot challenge this. You are absolutely right. But... do you think
that this will "scare" seasoned CBer's and newcomers? If people want to
test their chances? They will most likely will. Not to bring up a moot and
previously discussed topic but does "speeding" ring a bell?

Since you brought it up, speeding isn't a federal offense and doesn't carry a
maximum fine of $17,000. That may scare some, while it may be nothing more than
a financial risk to others. But it's DEFINITELY something that everyone should
know BEFORE they make that decision.

So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics
that
are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to
supress
those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional
right to
free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.

Free Speech is Free Speech... but COME ON! This **** is OLD! Even in
technical threads that have nothing to do with radio piracy ends up becoming
a "thread" not "discussion" of LEGALITIES. If I wanted a Forum mommy, I
would asked for one...

There have been MANY technical discussions here that haven't become a thread
about legalities. But you are right, many technical discussions do end up about
legalities. Why? I'll tell you...

Just for the sake of argument, just how technical can CB get? I mean, the CB is
a radio service that was intended to have minimal technical requirements, which
is why there is no license (and when a license was required in the past it
required no test of technical competence). Just hook up the power, run the
antenna, plug in the mic and you're working (and to think that some people make
that their hobby...LOL!). Yet most technical discussions seem to be about swang,
bird-watts, keydowns, amps, flame-throwing antennas and being as loud as
possible. IOW, most of the technical topics here focus around -illegal- CB, and
that's why legal issues come up so often.

Slightly OT, why does everything here have to be about technical topics? How
about making a hobby of COMMUNICATING on the CB? About the only posts made in
this newsgroup even remotely close to -that- topic are Twisty's DX reports.
Doesn't anybody think about what's possible with CB radio? Like, how about
setting up CB broadcasts for Amber Alerts, or organizing networks for public
events? When was the last time you saw any mention of the REACT program in this
newsgroup? :end rant

.
That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we
are
all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other
plans.

YES! Please die. I don't care about your plans... just DIE already!

If I bother you that much then maybe you should take a break from the newsgroups
for a while.

Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the
better
and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for
their
lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active
hand
in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and
starts
doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole
thing
falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a
bright
future for CB radio.

As previously stated, CB radio is a hobby. Not a lifestyle. If CB radio is
your "bread and butter", you might want to rethink your future. It's
looking a little dim. Since its beginnings, when has CB radio "not" been in
anarchy?

Your choice to believe that CB is in a state of anarchy is nothing but a
precursor to that "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse I mentioned before.

Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer
control the newsgroup.

WHAT? How dare you assume such? Because I look for skip on SSB makes me a
"baby-killer" now?

WHOA there butthole, where did I say anything about being a "baby-killer"? You
need to take a step back (and probably a Valium).

I could give a rats-ass about who controls the NG. I am
here for technical conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby
that I enjoy. Maybe getting a HAM ticket is not my cup of tea. I could
give a **** about change either. Again, I am here for technical
conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby that I enjoy.
Sheesh...

If you are so stupid that you can't handle the unbelievably simple requirements
to get a license and operate legally, then could give a **** about your "hobby".

Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way
they
are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't
far
behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom
of
speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds.
More and
more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the
hams,
and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because
illegal
CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier
radios
than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and
will
continue to change whether you like it or not.

I may disappear... but things will never change, Believe what you may, but
no one ever dies... they just multiply.

I don't suppose you have ever heard of the Anasazi....

Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.

I knew you were gonna say that...

RASTA, the Keyclown Psychic.

have a good day.

I usually do.







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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...

Is that why you are arguing with me now? Was the purpose of your original
post
in this thread to discuss "CB radio information"? Practice what you
preach.

I am just stating the facts, not arguing.


Of course this information can't be supressed. But it -can- be evaluated
for
it's technical validity. For example, "swang" is a new word for an old
concept:
DSBRC (Double-SideBand Reduced Carrier), a mode given up over half a
century ago
because it causes more problems than it solves. So when a CB newbie
listens to
some dummy talking about 'bird-watts', don't you think he would like to
know the
truth of the matter? Of course he would, and that's all I'm doing. It's
the
"golden-screwdriver" techs that spread this 'information', and instead of
supressing it, I just tell what the 'information' really means so the CBer
can
make an informed decision as to whether or not to trash his radio.

Whether you like it or not, do you suppose that you are arguing about things
that you and the so-called "golden crewdrivers" agree upon? Sometimes I
have to re-read the posts and find out that both of you folks are saying the
exact same thing, just in a different way. Maybe some people don't have the
technical "tongue" like you do, but chastizing such people only degrades
your validity. Do you like getting picked on?


I think you are taking the word "goals" to the extreme --

That's what you wrote and I just merely responded to your post.


I merely meant that if
a person wants more from radio than what the CB has to offer then he has
three
choices: 1) Memorize the question pool and get a license; 2) Operate
illegally;
or 3) Find another hobby. And no, the information isn't going away, but as
I
said before, that 'information' is incomplete. If the CBer knows all the
facts
then he can make a decision that's better for both him and the band.

True.


Since you brought it up, speeding isn't a federal offense and doesn't
carry a
maximum fine of $17,000. That may scare some, while it may be nothing more
than
a financial risk to others. But it's DEFINITELY something that everyone
should
know BEFORE they make that decision.

But on the contrary, Frank. Speeding can be a cause of many felonious
behaviors. Like radio, like speeding. It is the same thing. Owning a
radio is not a federal offense. Operating it "illegally" is. Speeding is
not a federal offense. Speeding and killing someone is. Know what I mean?


There have been MANY technical discussions here that haven't become a
thread
about legalities. But you are right, many technical discussions do end up
about
legalities. Why? I'll tell you...

Just for the sake of argument, just how technical can CB get? I mean, the
CB is
a radio service that was intended to have minimal technical requirements,
which
is why there is no license (and when a license was required in the past it
required no test of technical competence). Just hook up the power, run the
antenna, plug in the mic and you're working (and to think that some people
make
that their hobby...LOL!). Yet most technical discussions seem to be about
swang,
bird-watts, keydowns, amps, flame-throwing antennas and being as loud as
possible. IOW, most of the technical topics here focus around -illegal-
CB, and
that's why legal issues come up so often.

What's wrong with that? Talking about such subjects is not illegal. Even
if -encourages- such illegal activities, let them suffer the consequences.
Not rub it in...


Slightly OT, why does everything here have to be about technical topics?
How
about making a hobby of COMMUNICATING on the CB? About the only posts made
in
this newsgroup even remotely close to -that- topic are Twisty's DX
reports.

But you and your compadres BASH him for it.


Doesn't anybody think about what's possible with CB radio? Like, how about
setting up CB broadcasts for Amber Alerts, or organizing networks for
public
events? When was the last time you saw any mention of the REACT program in
this
newsgroup? :

Have you done such a thing? You may say you do or don't, but how do I know.
It's one thing to talk about starting such broadcasts and another about
actually doing it.


end rant

Thanks...


If I bother you that much then maybe you should take a break from the
newsgroups
for a while.

It was a joke, Franklin. A little humor didn't hurt nobody.


Your choice to believe that CB is in a state of anarchy is nothing but a
precursor to that "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse I mentioned
before.

No. It is a trend. "...beat 'em, join 'em" had nothing to do with what
was, did, is and will go on. And soon, like the CB boom of the '70's, it
will fade away and slowly creep back up again. That's the way it is and
that's the truth.


WHOA there butthole, where did I say anything about being a "baby-killer"?
You
need to take a step back (and probably a Valium).

Like you, like me... I just posted my reaction to your post. I wish I could
get ahold of some Valium right now... my back is killing me.


If you are so stupid that you can't handle the unbelievably simple
requirements
to get a license and operate legally, then could give a **** about your
"hobby".

NOW I'M STUPID... when does it stop, Frank? You're the stupid one that
frequents this NG day in and day out, EVERYday for the past (3) years since
my last post. I've read and you're still here. And you just don't get the
notion that you are the subject of mockery by everyone here (except your AKC
cheering section). And you're calling me stupid? I work on my Harley
instead of messing with these cats in here that do not get the message you
and the AKC is trying to promote.


I don't suppose you have ever heard of the Anasazi....

That was then... this is now. You mean to tell me you are going to be a
cultural influence and change things over night? How about something more
previous in history... have you ever heard of "BUCKWHEAT" ?snicker


RASTA, the Keyclown Psychic.

No. Just a RASTA... we tell the truth.


have a good day.

I usually do.

When you do have a nice day, you usually shoot that **** down by coming here
and getting your blood-pressure up. What is this about you drinking now?

But really, have a good one.

Chim Bubba wrote:
Me too! Always have. That is the main reason for coming here but as
was mentioned by others before. The crap that goes on in this group
NEVER and I mean NEVER even affects the real guy on the cb.

So what's your problem? Why even waste your energy of coming in here
and complaining about it? It's been going on for so long, nothing's
ever gonna change it.You can't accomplish anything with whining.It's a
losing battle. It's like trying to drain the ocean with a teacup.You
might as well just give up.What you're doing is useless.
(sarcasm/irony intentional)

I mean
forget about the diehard guys as was said they dont even know this
place exists and for the ones that do and by the small chance even
visit here, they still get on their big linears and talk skip or
compete as they choose! It affects nothing in the real world but yes
it may have bothered some who are on this group. In reality for the
guy that at this very moment is using a 16 pill linear talking skip
and enjoying his setup, doesn't give a rat's ass that there are some
old geeky folk on some newsgroup somewhere that dont like what he is
doing. I mean even if I went and told him!

I think Dave Hall said it best:

"There are many people out there that are "on the fence" with regard
to whether or not to follow the law or not. Those are the people that
will hopefully read what is discussed here and decide that it might
not be a good idea to break the law. THOSE are the people that we're
trying to reach. Those that are hopelessly incorrigable will continue
their anti-social ways until the law finally catches up with them. Of
course you can't blame those of us that understand the purpose of law,
from assisting the people entrusted with enforcing the law, by
gathering evidence for them. It's called looking after our best
interests."

-Aaron-

(Aaron H. Voobner) wrote in message . com...
Chim Bubba wrote:
Me too! Always have. That is the main reason for coming here but as
was mentioned by others before. The crap that goes on in this group
NEVER and I mean NEVER even affects the real guy on the cb.

So what's your problem? Why even waste your energy of coming in here
and complaining about it? It's been going on for so long, nothing's
ever gonna change it.You can't accomplish anything with whining.It's a
losing battle. It's like trying to drain the ocean with a teacup.You
might as well just give up.What you're doing is useless.
(sarcasm/irony intentional)

That's actually the most reasonable and logical thing I've ever seen
you post, Aanal Aaron. Too bad you're trying to impose it on others,
instead of applying it to yourself.

You, Frankie-boy, Georgie-girl, and others have attempted to control
other people thru trolling for quite some time. It hasn't worked, it
doesn't work, it won't work. If FCC enforcement hasn't worked, what
makes you believe that your lame trolling will?

You are quite correct: Ain't nothing gonna change it. All you can do
is control yourself, something you're really poor at. That applies to
you, Aanal Aaron, to Frankie-boy, to Georgie-girl, and the others. So
why bother taking up space here to complain about it?

CBers are aware of the Rules, and a few of them make a decision to
violate them. You are not an FCC operative (if you are, what's your
badge number?), nor are any of the other trolls. Hell, Frankie-boy
isn't a ham or a "commercial broadcast engineer" as he has claimed.
He's lucky if he's even a tech.

Thus, you might as well give it up. The best you can do is operate
your CB legally and try to set an example. Nothing else is going to do
anything but raise your blood pressure.

"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...

You, Frankie-boy, Georgie-girl, and others have attempted to control
other people thru trolling for quite some time. It hasn't worked, it
doesn't work, it won't work. If FCC enforcement hasn't worked, what
makes you believe that your lame trolling will?

You are quite correct: Ain't nothing gonna change it. All you can do
is control yourself, something you're really poor at. That applies to
you, Aanal Aaron, to Frankie-boy, to Georgie-girl, and the others. So
why bother taking up space here to complain about it?


Why do you bother posting and taking up space regarding what we do ? It is a
free world and as a USA citizen we are afforded many of lifes great
pleasures posting to this NG is one of them. Now go troll someone elses
posts.

"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
(Aaron H. Voobner) wrote in message
. com...
Chim Bubba wrote:
Me too! Always have. That is the main reason for coming here but as
was mentioned by others before. The crap that goes on in this group
NEVER and I mean NEVER even affects the real guy on the cb.

So what's your problem? Why even waste your energy of coming in here
and complaining about it? It's been going on for so long, nothing's
ever gonna change it.You can't accomplish anything with whining.It's a
losing battle. It's like trying to drain the ocean with a teacup.You
might as well just give up.What you're doing is useless.
(sarcasm/irony intentional)

That's actually the most reasonable and logical thing I've ever seen
you post, Aanal Aaron. Too bad you're trying to impose it on others,
instead of applying it to yourself.

You, Frankie-boy, Georgie-girl, and others have attempted to control
other people thru trolling for quite some time. It hasn't worked, it
doesn't work, it won't work. If FCC enforcement hasn't worked, what
makes you believe that your lame trolling will?

You are quite correct: Ain't nothing gonna change it. All you can do
is control yourself, something you're really poor at. That applies to
you, Aanal Aaron, to Frankie-boy, to Georgie-girl, and the others. So
why bother taking up space here to complain about it?

CBers are aware of the Rules, and a few of them make a decision to
violate them. You are not an FCC operative (if you are, what's your
badge number?), nor are any of the other trolls. Hell, Frankie-boy
isn't a ham or a "commercial broadcast engineer" as he has claimed.
He's lucky if he's even a tech.

Thus, you might as well give it up. The best you can do is operate
your CB legally and try to set an example. Nothing else is going to do
anything but raise your blood pressure.


That's not Aaron, he's posting from a DoD
account. Aaron used AOL. I still think someone
should report him for wasting tax payers money
trolling the newsgroup. Think about it, you are
paying taxes to let this person troll the newsgroup.

Landshark


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