Do Hams get 11 Meters Back
 

"No Code, No Ham" wrote:
(WA8ULX) wrote in
:

Do Hams get 11 Meters Back, as soon as all the CBers upgrade to there
Free Handout Ham Licenses?


There has been a free ham license ever since the codeless tech was
introduced a few years back. The 5 wpm code requirement has further
moved things in that direction. Idiots on the ham bands.

11 meters has come to the ham bands. I listen to the bands and it's
certainly not the way things were in the 1980's when I got licenced. I
might as well just listen to CB channel 19, it all sounds the same now.

-snippage-
Take that cross posted stink bait outta' here, chump.

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GO# 40

Sounds like you old pro-coders are getting upset! I worked and had to
pay to get my no-code ticket. Now that Im a coded tech, I still say,
rid the code test. You may say it dumbs it down, to me it makes for
more conversation and more to converse with. Who wants to talk on a
piece of equipment that cost $1000 + but no-one to hear you? Why not
let these CB'rs get there license so they can learn the principals of
ham radio instead of bootlegging. I realise that you guys are all
stuck in 1950, but WAKE UP!!!!!! This is 2003!!!!! This reminds me,
Wasnt it quite a few years ago that a bunch of HAMS like yourselves
were complaining about solid-state over tube? Oh my god! There dumbing
down radio with RF transistors!!!! What is next!!!!! Quit whining and
get involved in making the radio better for all. All you pro-coders
are just wasting your breath. They still make tubes, but you have a
choice if you want to use tube or transistor equipment. Isnt that
nice, To have a choice? I chose to advance in my hobby by going to
Extra soon, and I dont need a code holding me back. Do you actually
think that the bad CB'rs are going to go get a license so they can JAM
and CUSS at you? NO!!! The good ones will! So where is the FREE at?

Cya, wouldnt want to be ya.

73
KF6FOZ


On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:44:19 -0000, "No Code, No Ham"
wrote:

(WA8ULX) wrote in
:

Do Hams get 11 Meters Back, as soon as all the CBers upgrade to there
Free Handout Ham Licenses?


There has been a free ham license ever since the codeless tech was
introduced a few years back. The 5 wpm code requirement has further
moved things in that direction. Idiots on the ham bands.

11 meters has come to the ham bands. I listen to the bands and it's
certainly not the way things were in the 1980's when I got licenced. I
might as well just listen to CB channel 19, it all sounds the same now.

ARRL plan back fired on them. They worked to dumb things done in order
to produce more licensee's who might join the organization and fill the
corporate bank accounts, but instead, they got a bunch of idiots who
don't care bacause getting a license is easy now and when you don't have
to work to get the benefits, the benefits you get don't mean a whole lot.

All real hams out there who remember how the bands used to be, send the
ARRL a nasty-gram and cancel your League memberships. They screwed us
over big time by not protecting the integrity of the Amateur radio
Service.



No Code.... No Ham!

West Coast Radio wrote:
Sounds like you old pro-coders are getting upset! I worked and had to
pay to get my no-code ticket.

You paid someone to help you get through a dumbed down IQ test?

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GO# 40

No, Mopar, the VEs charge. It used to be free at the FCC, but, for me at
least, that meant a 60 mile trip (120 miles round trip) to the FCC in
Buffalo, NY, and one minute of perfect copy at 20 words per minute. When I
had dropped my tickets and decided to retest in 1993, I believe it was under
$6.00 for the session. That was 20 words per minute, but multiple guess.
Now it is 5 words per minute, but the testing charge is considerably higher
(don't ask me, I don't know. I simply showed up for the tests in '93. You
don't have to score 100%). So, while someone may pay for the exam, that 120
mile round trip savings is worth something. Don't worry too much though. I
hear the FCC is going to try to package the licenses in boxes of Cracker
Jax. :)

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim

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West Coast Radio wrote:
Sounds like you old pro-coders are getting upset! I worked and had to
pay to get my no-code ticket.

You paid someone to help you get through a dumbed down IQ test?

Heads up. This guy is your next extra class. dit dat..

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GO# 40


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"Jim Hampton" wrote:
No, Mopar, the VEs charge. It used to be free at the FCC, but, for me at
least, that meant a 60 mile trip (120 miles round trip) to the FCC in
Buffalo, NY, and one minute of perfect copy at 20 words per minute. When
I had dropped my tickets and decided to retest in 1993, I believe it was
under $6.00 for the session. That was 20 words per minute, but multiple
guess. Now it is 5 words per minute, but the testing charge is
considerably higher (don't ask me, I don't know. I simply showed up for
the tests in '93. You don't have to score 100%). So, while someone may
pay for the exam, that 120 mile round trip savings is worth something.
Don't worry too much though. I hear the FCC is going to try to package
the licenses in boxes of Cracker Jax. :)

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim

wrote in message
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wrote:
West Coast Radio wrote:
Sounds like you old pro-coders are getting upset! I worked and had
to pay to get my no-code ticket.

You paid someone to help you get through a dumbed down IQ test?

Heads up. This guy is your next extra class. dit dat..

They don't have me worried yet, Jim. Note to self: buy some
Cracker Jax stock.

Or they will come with the radio, you take the te$t and mail
it back with a check.

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GO# 40

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:44:19 -0000, "No Code, No Ham"
wrote:

(WA8ULX) wrote in
:

Do Hams get 11 Meters Back, as soon as all the CBers upgrade to there
Free Handout Ham Licenses?

Yes. Hams get 11 meters back. They have been jealous of the band
as well as the CB newsgroup. This has always been evident by their
presence in both areas.

wrote:
"No Code, No Ham" wrote:

(WA8ULX) wrote in
:


Do Hams get 11 Meters Back, as soon as all the CBers upgrade to there
Free Handout Ham Licenses?


There has been a free ham license ever since the codeless tech was
introduced a few years back. The 5 wpm code requirement has further
moved things in that direction. Idiots on the ham bands.

11 meters has come to the ham bands. I listen to the bands and it's
certainly not the way things were in the 1980's when I got licenced. I
might as well just listen to CB channel 19, it all sounds the same now.


-snippage-
Take that cross posted stink bait outta' here, chump.

hey mopar did ya get to see the new audioslave video on mtv showing
challengers and coronets? brings back memories of the old mans '70
coronet 440 with a 383....first car i broke a 100 in....

jim wrote:
wrote:
"No Code, No Ham" wrote:

(WA8ULX) wrote in
:


Do Hams get 11 Meters Back, as soon as all the CBers upgrade to there
Free Handout Ham Licenses?


There has been a free ham license ever since the codeless tech was
introduced a few years back. The 5 wpm code requirement has further
moved things in that direction. Idiots on the ham bands.

11 meters has come to the ham bands. I listen to the bands and it's
certainly not the way things were in the 1980's when I got licenced. I
might as well just listen to CB channel 19, it all sounds the same now.


-snippage-
Take that cross posted stink bait outta' here, chump.

hey mopar did ya get to see the new audioslave video on mtv showing
challengers and coronets? brings back memories of the old mans '70
coronet 440 with a 383....first car i broke a 100 in....

No I didn't Jim, I usually scan right past mtv. What is it a
music video from a band called audioslave?

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GO# 40

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Damn Straight wrote:

On 14 Aug 2003 01:02:35 GMT, wrote:


Ozzie is a freebander, btw.

Does that explain all the cussin' on that band these days?


Doubt it, but ya never know..


yeah i hooked up with him on the nickle. goes by unit 666...

jim wrote:
wrote:
Damn Straight wrote:

On 14 Aug 2003 01:02:35 GMT, wrote:


Ozzie is a freebander, btw.

Does that explain all the cussin' on that band these days?


Doubt it, but ya never know..


yeah i hooked up with him on the nickle. goes by unit 666...

LOL, he's going off the rails on a crazy train!!

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GO# 40

wrote:
jim wrote:

wrote:

Damn Straight wrote:


On 14 Aug 2003 01:02:35 GMT, wrote:



Ozzie is a freebander, btw.

Does that explain all the cussin' on that band these days?


Doubt it, but ya never know..


yeah i hooked up with him on the nickle. goes by unit 666...


LOL, he's going off the rails on a crazy train!!

damn now i got that song stuck in the brain...

(sarcasm mode on)

But gee, dontcha know the arrl is blameless? Of course they only take
credit for good news/stuff.

(sarcasm mode off)



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Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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All real hams out there who remember how the bands used to be, send the
ARRL a nasty-gram and cancel your League memberships. They screwed us
over big time by not protecting the integrity of the Amateur radio
Service.



No Code.... No Ham!

W hy in hell would they want it back??????????

"OOTMAN" wrote in message
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W hy in hell would they want it back??????????


Better utilization of HF spectrum, and more spectrum for hams. All the
non-ham stuff should be VHF or UHF, for the obvious reason.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

charlesb wrote:

"OOTMAN" wrote in message
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W hy in hell would they want it back??????????




Better utilization of HF spectrum, and more spectrum for hams. All the
non-ham stuff should be VHF or UHF, for the obvious reason.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL




But 10 meters is rarely crowded, getting 11 back, though nice, isn't
that critical.
More bandwidth on 20 or 40 I would prefer.

charlesb wrote:

"OOTMAN" wrote in message
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W hy in hell would they want it back??????????



Better utilization of HF spectrum, and more spectrum for hams. All the
non-ham stuff should be VHF or UHF, for the obvious reason.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL


The hams hardly used 11 meters when they had it, what makes you think
they would use it now if they got it back? Besides, the cbers have made
such a mess of it, it would take years to clean the filth out.

JJ wrote:
charlesb wrote:

"OOTMAN" wrote in message
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W hy in hell would they want it back??????????



Better utilization of HF spectrum, and more spectrum for hams. All the
non-ham stuff should be VHF or UHF, for the obvious reason.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL


The hams hardly used 11 meters when they had it, what makes you think
they would use it now if they got it back? Besides, the cbers have made
such a mess of it, it would take years to clean the filth out.


equating cb'ers and filth eh? in your limited world hams dont freeband?
guess you havn't heard the cw contests on 11 meters. so much for your
post...

jim wrote:



JJ wrote:

charlesb wrote:

"OOTMAN" wrote in message
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W hy in hell would they want it back??????????



Better utilization of HF spectrum, and more spectrum for hams. All the
non-ham stuff should be VHF or UHF, for the obvious reason.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL


The hams hardly used 11 meters when they had it, what makes you think
they would use it now if they got it back? Besides, the cbers have
made such a mess of it, it would take years to clean the filth out.


equating cb'ers and filth eh? in your limited world hams dont freeband?
guess you havn't heard the cw contests on 11 meters. so much for your
post...


In my world, *real* hams don't (notice I put the ' in don't) freeband
(there is no "freeband" in case you haven't noticed), just those cb
types who happen to hold a ham license. So much for your post...........

JJ wrote:
jim wrote:



JJ wrote:

charlesb wrote:

"OOTMAN" wrote in message
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W hy in hell would they want it back??????????



Better utilization of HF spectrum, and more spectrum for hams. All the
non-ham stuff should be VHF or UHF, for the obvious reason.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL


The hams hardly used 11 meters when they had it, what makes you think
they would use it now if they got it back? Besides, the cbers have
made such a mess of it, it would take years to clean the filth out.


equating cb'ers and filth eh? in your limited world hams dont freeband?
guess you havn't heard the cw contests on 11 meters. so much for your
post...


In my world, *real* hams don't (notice I put the ' in don't) freeband
(there is no "freeband" in case you haven't noticed), just those cb
types who happen to hold a ham license. So much for your post...........


lol you are a bigot....

JJ wrote in message ...
jim wrote:



JJ wrote:

charlesb wrote:

"OOTMAN" wrote in message
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W hy in hell would they want it back??????????



Better utilization of HF spectrum, and more spectrum for hams. All the
non-ham stuff should be VHF or UHF, for the obvious reason.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL


The hams hardly used 11 meters when they had it, what makes you think
they would use it now if they got it back? Besides, the cbers have
made such a mess of it, it would take years to clean the filth out.


equating cb'ers and filth eh? in your limited world hams dont freeband?
guess you havn't heard the cw contests on 11 meters. so much for your
post...


In my world, *real* hams don't (notice I put the ' in don't) freeband
(there is no "freeband" in case you haven't noticed), just those cb
types who happen to hold a ham license. So much for your post...........

"Your" world does not equal the "real" world, JJ, in case you haven't noticed.
So much for your TROLL.

Still can't find 10 meters? I know where it is, if you need help!

JJ wrote in message ...
jim wrote:



JJ wrote:

charlesb wrote:

"OOTMAN" wrote in message
...

W hy in hell would they want it back??????????



Better utilization of HF spectrum, and more spectrum for hams. All the
non-ham stuff should be VHF or UHF, for the obvious reason.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL


The hams hardly used 11 meters when they had it, what makes you think
they would use it now if they got it back? Besides, the cbers have
made such a mess of it, it would take years to clean the filth out.


equating cb'ers and filth eh? in your limited world hams dont freeband?
guess you havn't heard the cw contests on 11 meters. so much for your
post...


In my world, *real* hams don't (notice I put the ' in don't) freeband
(there is no "freeband" in case you haven't noticed), just those cb
types who happen to hold a ham license. So much for your post...........


well if the hams took back 11 meters....what would they do about all
the skip talkers on channel 6???? those old black men would not like
you hammies trying to run them off and they would jump up and down and
stomp a radiowave mudhole in the back of your necks and walk it
dry.........no doubt about it......

From: (jim)
JJ wrote:
charlesb wrote:
"OOTMAN" wrote in message
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W hy in hell would they want it

back??????????

Better utilization of HF spectrum, and more spectrum for hams. All the
non-ham stuff should be VHF or UHF, for the obvious reason. Charles
Brabham, N5PVL

The hams hardly used 11 meters when they

had it, what makes you think they would use it

now if they got it back? Besides, the cbers

have made such a mess of it, it would take

years to clean the filth out.

equating cb'ers and filth eh? in your limited world hams dont freeband?
guess you havn't heard the cw contests on 11 meters. so much for your
post...
_
They also pretend 75 phone doesn't exist..certainly can't acknowledge
such goes on, as it's much worse than any cb channel, and with much more
frequency (D-OH)!

gw wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

jim wrote:



JJ wrote:


charlesb wrote:


"OOTMAN" wrote in message
...


W hy in hell would they want it back??????????



Better utilization of HF spectrum, and more spectrum for hams. All the
non-ham stuff should be VHF or UHF, for the obvious reason.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL



The hams hardly used 11 meters when they had it, what makes you think
they would use it now if they got it back? Besides, the cbers have
made such a mess of it, it would take years to clean the filth out.


equating cb'ers and filth eh? in your limited world hams dont freeband?
guess you havn't heard the cw contests on 11 meters. so much for your
post...


In my world, *real* hams don't (notice I put the ' in don't) freeband
(there is no "freeband" in case you haven't noticed), just those cb
types who happen to hold a ham license. So much for your post...........



well if the hams took back 11 meters....what would they do about all
the skip talkers on channel 6???? those old black men would not like
you hammies trying to run them off and they would jump up and down and
stomp a radiowave mudhole in the back of your necks and walk it
dry.........no doubt about it......

You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I will type slowly so
you maybe can understand. T H E H A M S D O N O T W A N T
E L E V E N M E T E R S B A C K. To use your silly cb lingo, "no
doubt about it".

"JJ" wrote in message
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You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I will type slowly so
you maybe can understand. T H E H A M S D O N O T W A N T
E L E V E N M E T E R S B A C K. To use your silly cb lingo, "no
doubt about it".


Speak for yourself, OM!

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I will type slowly so
you maybe can understand. T H E H A M S D O N O T W A N T
E L E V E N M E T E R S B A C K. To use your silly cb lingo, "no
doubt about it".


Speak for yourself, OM!

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

Do you want it back? You can still use CB if you have an amateur ticket.
You're just not supposed to use your ham radio on it or cuss like a sailor.

JJ wrote:
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I will type slowly so
you maybe can understand. T H E H A M S D O N O T W A N T
E L E V E N M E T E R S B A C K. To use your silly cb lingo, "no
doubt about it".

This is true. They don't even use 10 meters much.

"Steveo" wrote in message
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JJ wrote:
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I will type slowly so
you maybe can understand. T H E H A M S D O N O T W A N T
E L E V E N M E T E R S B A C K. To use your silly cb lingo, "no
doubt about it".

This is true. They don't even use 10 meters much.

10 meters is quite dependent on the status of the sunspot cycle. When the
solar flux is good, the band is indeed heavily used but when the flux is
down, it won't support long distance communications.

i cant count the many times ive been making world wide contacts on the 11 meter
freeband only to slide my reciever to ten meters to hear only dead air. what a
shame. three old guys working 10-10 dont really count as a used band.





10 meters is quite dependent on the status of the sunspot cycle. When the
solar flux is good, the band is indeed heavily used but when the flux is
down, it won't support long distance communications.

"MrTimNebo" wrote in message
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i cant count the many times ive been making world wide contacts on the 11
meter
freeband only to slide my reciever to ten meters to hear only dead air.
what a
shame. three old guys working 10-10 dont really count as a used band.

10 meters is quite dependent on the status of the sunspot cycle. When
the
solar flux is good, the band is indeed heavily used but when the flux is
down, it won't support long distance communications.


Actually, being a ham myself, I find the 10-10 club very disgusting. All
they seem to want to do from my observations, is collect numbers! If you
don't have one, they won't talk. I was even told once by one of them, if you
don't have a 10-10 number, I don't have time to talk to you. WHAT THE HELL
KIND OF FUN IS THAT? That turned me OFF of even thinking about joining that
organization. When I get on the air, I like to chat a while and have had
many good ones in my days. Any ass hole can collect numbers, how about
carrying on a conversation? OR is that beneath their ability? I realize
there are several contests out there to try for even if only self
gratification, but when it condones ignorance, then they can stick the
contests up their ass. I NEVER turned down a chat with anyone who called out
my call sign. The only reason I'm not on the air now though is because I've
been waiting to move. Once I do that, then I'll be back in the saddle again.
I love chatting to all I am able to. Also, on 1 meters, I know many who've
made as many contacts as I have on 10 meters. I say - ENJOY! G.W.

Actually, being a ham myself, I find the 10-10 club very disgusting. All
they seem to want to do from my observations, is collect numbers! If you
don't have one, they won't talk. I was even told once by one of them, if
you
don't have a 10-10 number, I don't have time to talk to you. WHAT THE HELL
KIND OF FUN IS THAT? That turned me OFF of even thinking about joining
that
organization.

I never got the point of it.
I already have a licence. A nice unique identifier.
The idea seems to be to sell the "exclucivity" to the suckers, to the
benifit of those collecting the dues.


Of course RACES and ARES are guilty of similar things, but in slightly
different ways.

"Dave VanHorn" wrote in message
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Actually, being a ham myself, I find the 10-10 club very disgusting. All
they seem to want to do from my observations, is collect numbers! If you
don't have one, they won't talk. I was even told once by one of them, if
you
don't have a 10-10 number, I don't have time to talk to you. WHAT THE
HELL
KIND OF FUN IS THAT? That turned me OFF of even thinking about joining
that
organization.

I never got the point of it.
I already have a licence. A nice unique identifier.
The idea seems to be to sell the "exclucivity" to the suckers, to the
benifit of those collecting the dues.


Of course RACES and ARES are guilty of similar things, but in slightly
different ways.


RACES AND ARES are "supposed" to be for emergency ops - any designators
there are understandable, not sure about any dues/fees involved. "I" have
never heard of any fees involved, least not that I can recall. But I DO
agree with your assessment of the 10-10 club.. Either way, they aren't
getting my dough. I can talk to the many others who aren't members. So, when
they run out of suckers to apply for more numbers, and that is all they
choose to talk to, I guess they are screwed! No one else to talk to.. WOW,
what a boring conversation and life. At least with doing WAS and such, you
can usually enjoy a QSO along the way. Getting Hawaii for WAS - I spoke to
the guy for an hour. Enjoyed every minute of it. I'm still collecting cards
for contacts of places I've yet to talk to, but for an award? Who needs it?
Not me. My thrill is in making the contact and chat itself. The way it was
meant to be. G.W.

RACES AND ARES are "supposed" to be for emergency ops - any designators
there are understandable, not sure about any dues/fees involved. "I" have
never heard of any fees involved, least not that I can recall.

Yes, and Races won't talk to non-races stations, they are prohibited.
I guess it makes sense if you think that after the nuclear war, we hams are
going to be doing national security work...
They do charge fees, at least around here.

But I DO agree with your assessment of the 10-10 club.. Either way, they
aren't
getting my dough. I can talk to the many others who aren't members. So,
when
they run out of suckers to apply for more numbers, and that is all they
choose to talk to, I guess they are screwed! No one else to talk to.. WOW,
what a boring conversation and life. At least with doing WAS and such, you
can usually enjoy a QSO along the way. Getting Hawaii for WAS - I spoke to
the guy for an hour. Enjoyed every minute of it. I'm still collecting
cards
for contacts of places I've yet to talk to, but for an award? Who needs
it?
Not me. My thrill is in making the contact and chat itself. The way it was
meant to be. G.W.

It's a pity that so many folks only seem to turn on the HF rig when there's
a contest on, then they don't want to chat, and I understand that, I
suppose..

I need to get some more iron in the air, before winter sets in!

"Steveo" wrote in message
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JJ wrote:
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I will type slowly so
you maybe can understand. T H E H A M S D O N O T W A N T
E L E V E N M E T E R S B A C K. To use your silly cb lingo, "no
doubt about it".

This is true. They don't even use 10 meters much.

BOY! How much you THINK you know! It gets used
a LOT! And some of it is in a "language" you are unlikely to
understand----you know, them pesky "dots and dashes" in addition to SSB, AM
and FM.



J

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
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JJ wrote:
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I will type slowly
so you maybe can understand. T H E H A M S D O N O T W A N T
E L E V E N M E T E R S B A C K. To use your silly cb lingo, "no
doubt about it".

This is true. They don't even use 10 meters much.

BOY! How much you THINK you know! It gets used
a LOT! And some of it is in a "language" you are unlikely to
understand----you know, them pesky "dots and dashes" in addition to SSB,
AM and FM.

J

Are you kidding me, Jerry? You spen all of your time listening
for trucker's on 10.