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George Is Innocent August 22nd 03 05:17 AM

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gw August 22nd 03 04:03 PM

(George Is Innocent) wrote in message om...
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you know asshole, i bet you make your fellow hammies extremely proud
of your silly ass.............

Dave Hall August 22nd 03 06:18 PM

Jim Hampton wrote:

Kind of sad, actually. I've been accused of aiding the lawless.


Not aiding. Just being complicit toward those who promote blatently
illegal activities. By not speaking out against it, you are basically
condoning it.

It just
struck me what has changed. Amateur radio used to be nothing but fun.


It still is. You just have to find the right people.

What HAS changed is the attitude of society in general, which radio
merely mirrors, which is a general disrespect for rules. Many people
seem to feel that rules are "optional" and those who call attention to
their infractions are "spoiling their fun".


No flames and no arguing about code vs no code vs cbers.


No, back then it was incentive licensing.


When I went to join
an amateur radio club in Great Lakes right after boot camp in the Navy, I
was really surprised to find a few dour-faced guys handing me a list of
'rules' to memorize (bear in mind that I had my 1st class radiotelephone,
2nd class radiotelegraph, radar endorsement, and amateur extra class license
back in 1967). I said I'd think it over.


Some people take authoritarianism to the extreme. But I'd bet you
wouldn't willfully violate the FCC operating rules back then.


On the way back to the barracks,
I saw a sign which simply said "73" with an arrow pointing to the back of a
building. What the ... ??? a barbeque with beer and a lot of women going
on. They made me feel welcome. Problem was, you needed a license (cb was
licensed back then). No problem, they'd help with the paperwork. Well, I
asked if this would do - and I pulled out my 1st class radiotelephone
license. Instant membership plus 3 rigs to fix.


Ah, the stereotypical myth. Hams are a bunch of "sticks in the mud", who
are serious and law abiding. CBers, are a bunch of fun loving people,
who throw caution (and the rules) to the wind. Which group would you
rather be a part of? If we are now going to base our morality by the
amount of "fun" we have, then I really hope it doesn't really become fun
to shoot people randomly.


The rigs got fixed, and
beers kept being placed into my hand. What a time!


It was a fun time. But most people become more responsible when they get
older. I recall my youthful radio experiences quite fondly, even though
I was no boy scout. The thing is that now I realize that many of those
activities were irresponsible and not legal, fun not withstanding.

If both cb and amateur
radio could find a way to go back to the times when fun was had and no one
had the time to argue.


How much "fun" do CBers have when they are being overpowered by other
"CBers", who's idea of "fun" is running excessive power? The standard
answer from the lawless set, is to say; "turn it to the left, if you
can't deal with it". The point is that these "fun" people, through their
selfish and inconsiderate actions, are ruining the fun of others, who
are at least trying to follow the intent of the rules. The rules were
created so that everyone has a fair chance at equal access. Those who
ignore the rules are taking away from those who are. In my book, that's
being selfish and inconsiderate. Are these the people you want to be
included with?

If it irritates some of the folks that some hams
come here to flame, go over to some of the amateur newsgroups. They're busy
flaming each other! Hey, guys, wake up and smell the coffee!


Sometimes when you see changes occuring, which are not in the best
direction of the hobby, and of society itself, you tend to get defensive
when others flaunt their newfound "fun" in your face, and make it seem
like YOU have the problem, when you try to defend the concepts of
responsibility, consideration, and just plain good manners.


Can't we all just have fun and leave the police business to those charged
with doing that?


Those charged with enforcement are way overwhelmed to make much of a
dent in these illegal activities. This fact is what enables the
continued activities to continue. Most of these scofflaws would crawl
under a rock, if there was a good chance that they'de be caught and
punished harshly for their brand of "fun".


Just a thought, but I've put on my asbestos underwear on just in case :))


You won't need it from me, although you might want to think about who it
is that you're defending, even subtlely.

It's a sure bet that the king of the punch clowns will unleash a barrage
of untruths, ad-hominem insults and other groundless APD inspired
nonsense in response to my response to you, much like a child has a
temper tantrum. Is this the kind of guy you'd want as a friend?


Dave
"Sandbagger"


Cool Breeze August 22nd 03 06:54 PM


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
And Geogre is NOT innocent. Here's another of his lies where he tells us
he IS WA3MOJ, then he lies about it.



You better read the post again, assclown. It still doesn't say I said was
wa3moj, and I still have never said i was wa3moj from day 1
Where in the quote below did I personally say I am wa3moj? you posted it
lets dechiper it. How about wee look at some of my other posts.




" wa3moj.... who is next? perhaps you could get dickie boy cranium to give
us his next."



Twistedhed August 22nd 03 08:03 PM

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
Jim Hampton wrote:
Kind of sad, actually. I've been accused of aiding the lawless.

Not aiding.




Yes he has. And reposting it would serve only to show you remember
nothing and intentionally lie about it anyway, but if it needs to be
reposted.....

Just being complicit toward those who



WTF is "complicit"? One of those new terms invented by those suffering
communication deficits? LOL,,,sort of like "Keyclown" ,,,HYUK!


promote blatently illegal activities. By not


speaking out against it, you are basically


condoning it.




Really? So those who fail to speak out against your perverted
self-admitted acts of illegally monitoring the phone conversations of
under-aged teenage girls talking about their fisrt sexual experiences
are condoning your activities that reek of pedophilia? Interesting
concept you profess, Hall. Not even close to be being correct, but most
definitely interesting in your twisted and warped views of things.


_
It just
struck me what has changed. Amateur radio used to be nothing but fun.


It still is. You just have to find the right people.




LOL,,like you and the other named members of the Voobs gang of lids.


What HAS changed is the attitude of society in
general, which radio merely mirrors,



Here you go again.....LOL. N3CVJ feels "radio" mirrors
society,..LOL!..That clues the world in on the way you think and
believe. See Davey, the world isn't even aware of hammie radio anymore,
OR cb, yet you seem to feel that those who frequent the hobby are
representative of Americans as a whole...LOL. What a warped view, you
have.,,but then again, we knew that wehn you told us what brings you
pleasure....

which is a


general disrespect for rules.



Sort of like your blatant disrespect for yout TOS, which is why you lost
your service as well.


Many people seem to feel that rules are


"optional" and those who call attention to their


infractions are "spoiling their fun".




Exactly, only that seems to be the motif emanating from yourself,
Lelnad, and Geogre....not one cber has cried about your
pitching fits about illegalities,,not one,,,,it's when you make the
posts personal is when your deficit in communications must be
identified. YOU lids brought the entire "enforcement of cbers through
hammie monitoring"to us,,,when the tables are turned and you are forced
to live by the **** you toss at others, such as being reported for
providing the
FCC the wrong address,,you cry like a baby girl and say we are "spoiling
your fun".....LOL.

_
No flames and no arguing about code vs no code vs cbers.
No, back then it was incentive licensing.
When I went to join
an amateur radio club in Great Lakes right after boot camp in the Navy,
I was really surprised to find a few dour-faced guys handing me a list
of 'rules' to memorize (bear in mind that I had my 1st class
radiotelephone, 2nd class radiotelegraph, radar endorsement, and amateur
extra class license back in 1967). I said I'd think it over.

Some people take authoritarianism to the


extreme.




Yup,,,you illustrated that with your Jack-booted Nazi , fascist comment
that if one doesn't get involved, iot means they are taking a position.
You're lost and unAmerican as they come. You lack power and feel the
need for it against those who talk of freebanding and or amps, that of
which you are guilty of yourself and have been for years and years/

But I'd bet you wouldn't willfully violate the


FCC operating rules back then.

=A0

You're being selective, hall, You feel that the FCC rules are somehow to
be followed, but TOS are to be disregarded,,this is how you earned the
nickname "The Hypocrite Hall".

_

=A0=A0=A0On the way back to the barracks,
I saw a sign which simply said "73" with an arrow pointing to the back
of a building. What the ... ??? a barbeque with beer and a lot of women
going on. They made me feel welcome. Problem was, you needed a license
(cb was licensed back then). No problem, they'd help with the paperwork.
Well, I asked if this would do - and I pulled out my 1st class
radiotelephone license. Instant membership plus 3 rigs to fix.

_
Ah, the stereotypical myth. Hams are a bunch


of "sticks in the mud", who are serious and law
abiding. CBers, are a bunch of fun loving


people, who throw caution (and the rules) to


the wind. Which group would you rather be a


part of?






Well, those who do not suffer great deficits in communication as you
demonstrate on a regular basis have figured out how to belong to both.
they don't have a stick up their ass like you do and insist that it is
either "one or the other" and if you don't choose a side, they are
automatically against poor Davie.


If we are now going to base our morality by


the amount of "fun" we have, then I really


hope it doesn't really become fun to shoot


people randomly.




Well, let's see,,,YOU judge people's morality and called many, many of
us criminals for JUST talking skip. You have called others criminals for
using amps, You have called those that do not agree with your
self-imposed myopic vision of morality "sociopaths." You're twisted,
Dave, and so is your little clique of lids.

_
The rigs got fixed, and
beers kept being placed into my hand. What a time!

It was a fun time. But most people become


more responsible when they get older. I recall


my youthful radio experiences quite fondly,


even though I was no boy scout.





Ahhhh,,but your past breaking the law enables and gives you the right to
call names and become personal toward those who discuss the same acts
you have committed yourself.
HH..LOL.

The thing is that now I realize that many of


those activities were irresponsible and not


legal, fun not withstanding.





Save the busll****. You had a call when you were breaking the law and
you damn sure knew you were breaking the law. You even give advice on
how to circumvent the law and not get caught...HH.

_
If both cb and amateur
radio could find a way to go back to the times when fun was had and no
one had the time to argue.


How much "fun" do CBers have when they are
being overpowered by other "CBers", who's


idea of "fun" is running excessive power?



Anyone that disproves your bull****, would be my guess, of who you would
claim is fond of running "excessive power", among a plethora of other
offtopic lies you have made toward other chatters for nothing more than
expressing their opinion of taking a differing, opposing view than
yourself. This illutrates your deficit in communications quite nicely,
despite the twisted irony you hold the call of N3CVJ.


The standard answer from the lawless set, is


to say; "turn it to the left, if you can't deal with


it".




You ARE the lawless, set, Davie-son. Your pulled ISP say so, HH.

The point is that these "fun" people, through


their selfish and inconsiderate actions, are


ruining the fun of others, who are at least


trying to follow the intent of the rules.


Same with the internet and the tos that casually disregard.

The rules were created so that everyone has


a fair chance at equal access.



But you hold yourself above such TOS rules.

Those who ignore the rules are taking away


from those who are. In my book, that's being


selfish and inconsiderate.




Which is exactly what your behavior consist of.


Are these the people you want to be included


with?

=A0

There you go,,,,,,attempting to toss Hampton in with a lawless,
intentional group of people for no reason other than he doesn't
subscribe to your bull**** harassment tactics.

_
=A0If it irritates some of the folks that some hams
come here to flame, go over to some of the
amateur newsgroups. They're busy flaming each other! Hey, guys, wake up
and smell the coffee!
_
Sometimes when you see changes occuring,


And sometimes you see lids coming apart at the seams when faced with
truth. I need merely point to the yahoo clowns of Lelnad and
Geogre,,,,,,


which are not in the best direction of the


hobby, and of society itself,




LMAO,,and YOU promoting illegal activities such as how to avoid getting
caught running an illegal linear on cb, or illegally eavesdropping and
monitoring private phone conversations of minor girls and claiming it
makes you feel "juicy" is somehow in the "best direction" of the hooby,
or conducive somehow, in your hypocritical , deficit-ravaged, criminal
mind?


you tend to get defensive when others flaunt


their newfound "fun" in your face, and make it


seem like YOU have the problem, when you


try to defend the concepts of responsibility,


consideration, and just plain good manners.






In the first place, you;re lying. You can't produce one single post from
a ng reg flaunting anything. You CHOSE to come to rec.radio.cb.,which by
your own definition over the years, consists of a majority of illegal
activity. It was not flaunted, YOU came looking for it, so it very much
is YOUR problem, ad Geogres AND LElnad's, as they, and you, have never
failed to demonstrate.
Try some truth, Hall, once in your pathetic life.
In addition, your many, many, off-topic posts and failed attempts at
making the poster YOUR topic instead of their claims, discussions, or
topics is not responsible, considerate, or good manners, especially when
coupled with the massive amout of names you call in your posts.
_
Can't we all just have fun and leave the police business to those
charged with doing that?
_
Those charged with enforcement are way


overwhelmed to make much of a dent in these
illegal activities.




Which is how perverts like yourself can get away with admitting on
usenet, and to the world, getting your jollies by illegally monitoring
the phone conversations of young, underaged, girls.


This fact is what enables the continued


activities to continue. Most of these scofflaws


would crawl under a rock, if there was a good


chance that they'de be caught and punished


harshly for their brand of "fun".




As your clique of lids can do nothing but be reactive and post your hate
here. The fact is, you would never confront anyone concerning anything.

_
Just a thought, but I've put on my asbestos underwear on just in case
:))

You won't need it from me,



Right,,you say this AFTER you moronically and foolishly attempted to
portray him as a defender of illegal activities for not speaking out and
agreeing with your illegal activities then joining you when you bitch to
someone else about freebanding.


although you might want to think about who it


is that you're defending, even subtlely.


There ya' go again, HH. This is America, I have been telling you this
for a long time, but you continue to think you have some sort of status.
You have delsions of grandeur that allow you to believe that you are
some sort of defender of the faith, when, in fact, all have seen you are
nothing more than what you profess to be against. you;re indeed partof
the problem. ALL voices and opinions are welcome, whether unpopular,
offensive, vulgar, what have you. That you persecute Hampton for
defending one's right to discuss topics that YOU have a problem with,
illustrates, of course, your problem, as always, is with yourself.


It's a sure bet that the king of the punch


clowns will unleash a barrage of untruths,


ad-hominem insults and other groundless


APD inspired nonsense in response to my


response to you, much like a child has a


temper tantrum. Is this the kind of guy you'd


want as a friend?




LOL....there ya' go,,attempting to use the CHARACTER instead of the
topic.
Says plenty about your own character Davie. Your view is in the extreme
RADICAL minority. Have a great weekend.

Dave


"Sandbagger"



Twistedhed August 22nd 03 08:06 PM

From: (Cool=A0Breeze)
"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
And Geogre is NOT innocent. Here's another of his lies where he tells us
he IS WA3MOJ, then he lies about it.

You better read the post again, assclown.



I see the homosexual remarks are now to be found throughout most of your
posts. I bet you feel much better to be out of the closet.

It still doesn't say I said was wa3moj, and I still
have never said i was wa3moj from day 1



Sure you have.

Where in the quote below did I personally say


I am wa3moj? you posted it lets dechiper it.



No,,YOU decipher it. We already read it the first time you posted it..

How about wee look at some of my other


posts.




" wa3moj.... who is next? perhaps you could get dickie boy cranium to
give us his next."




Yea,,that was in response to the question : What is your call?


Dave Hall August 23rd 03 03:33 AM

Landshark wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message ...
You won't need it from me, although you might want to think about who it
is that you're defending, even subtlely.

It's a sure bet that the king of the punch clowns will unleash a barrage
of untruths, ad-hominem insults and other groundless APD inspired
nonsense in response to my response to you, much like a child has a
temper tantrum. Is this the kind of guy you'd want as a friend?


Dave
"Sandbagger"


Your right, is that the kind
of friend you want from George?
It kind of goes both ways Dave.



I am no more George's friend, than you are. He may share some of the
same philosophical viewpoints as i do, but that's about it.

Dave



Dave Hall August 23rd 03 03:54 AM

Twistedhed wrote:


It's a sure bet that the king of the punch
clowns will unleash a barrage of untruths,
ad-hominem insults and other groundless
APD inspired nonsense in response to my
response to you, much like a child has a
temper tantrum.


And you remain as predicatable and true to form as ever. I can just
imagine the inner turmoil that you must have wrestled with, deciding
whether to resist the overwhelming urge to run your fingers and unload
your usual ton of B.S. which has become your trademark, and prove my
above statement wrong, or not. I can see that your lack of self control
made the decision for you. You really can't resist getting in the last
dig. A true sign of a narcissistic personality. A narcissistic
sociopath. It's no wonder you can't do any better than charter
captaining.

I've sat quietly by while you frothed and fumed over George, Leland, and
the gaggle of anonymous people who are getting kicks out of pushing your
buttons. You never fail to respond to any of them. Have you no
restraint? Of course not, your narcissicm prevents that.


general disrespect for rules.


Sort of like your blatant disrespect for yout TOS,


#1 What "TOS" rules have I allegedly ever broken? You see, just like
you, I am entitled to an opinion, and am free to express it. Somehow you
seem to think that when I am doing such, that I am in violation of TOS
rules. How are my posts any more "illegal" than yours?

which is why you lost your service as well.


#2 Another of your many lies. I maintain that I am still using the same
ISP which I've used for the last 8 years, and that is worldlynx
networks. I challenge you to prove differently. They have no reason to
pull my account. I do nothing wrong.


You're being selective, hall, You feel that the FCC rules are somehow to
be followed, but TOS are to be disregarded,


You have still failed to date to come up with even ONE TOS rule that
I've allegedly "broken". Go to the worldlynx homepage,
(www.worldlynx.net)and look for their rules. Then tell me which one(s) I
have broken.

You really need to cut the B.S. and lies. They may work on some people,
but intelligent people have had your number for quite some time......
Some of them are playing you right now, like someone uses a string to
play with a cat.

Dave
"Sandbagger"


Landshark August 23rd 03 04:51 AM


"Dave Hall" wrote in message ...
Landshark wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message

...
You won't need it from me, although you might want to think about who it
is that you're defending, even subtlely.

It's a sure bet that the king of the punch clowns will unleash a barrage
of untruths, ad-hominem insults and other groundless APD inspired
nonsense in response to my response to you, much like a child has a
temper tantrum. Is this the kind of guy you'd want as a friend?


Dave
"Sandbagger"


Your right, is that the kind
of friend you want from George?
It kind of goes both ways Dave.



I am no more George's friend, than you are. He may share some of the
same philosophical viewpoints as i do, but that's about it.

Dave


Fair enough. But to say that he may share
some "philosophical" views disturbs me. So it's
ok to crap on anyone that doesn't agree with you?
It's ok to use foul language? It's ok to harass, send
virus's, sign you up for Spam, false accusations,
that's the kind of philosophies you believe in?

Landshark


--
Try these to learn about newsgroup trolls.

http://www.io.com/~zikzak/troll_thesis.html
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm




Brainbuster August 23rd 03 11:16 AM


Dave Hall wrote in message ...

. By not speaking out against it, you are basically
condoning it.



Do you really believe that?
Do you take the time to speak out against everything you disagree with?

Let's face it, if we all went around whining about everything we disagree
with, we would soon end up in a mental institution... but not before the
Internet is brought down by the incredible load created by the whole world
whining.

I am quite sure that you, like every other sensible person, pick the things
that you feel important enough to you... but don't blame other people if
their priorities are different.

Anyhow, whining about illegal use on this newsgroup does nothing more than
add to the noise. Look at how few *different* people there are on this
newsgroup, how much time is spent whining, and how many years it has gone on
for. It really is incredibly inefficient on time.
Either Georgina is too stupid to see that it is making no difference to the
situation, except to make the "pro-legals" look like a bunch of losers... or
the only intention is too fill the newsgroup with arguments.


Every now and then, Sparky makes a reasonable argument with things such as
the SSB efficiency thread... but agreeing with him stops him dead in his
tracks, until he can to find a way to start an argument again.



Regards,

Peter.







Brainbuster August 23rd 03 11:16 AM

Landshark wrote in message
...

So it's ok to crap on anyone that doesn't agree with you?
It's ok to use foul language? It's ok to harass, send
virus's, sign you up for Spam, false accusations,
that's the kind of philosophies you believe in?



Well, he doesn't speak out against it. So, by his own admission, he is
condoning everything Georgina does...

Dave Hall wrote in message ...

By not speaking out against it, you are basically
condoning it.



I expect he must be a very busy chap, taking the time to speak out about
everything he disagrees with.



Regards,

Peter.




SD Special Delivery Jones August 23rd 03 01:42 PM

#30


"Landshark" . wrote in message
.com...

"Dave Hall" wrote in message

...
Landshark wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message

...
You won't need it from me, although you might want to think about

who it
is that you're defending, even subtlely.

It's a sure bet that the king of the punch clowns will unleash a

barrage
of untruths, ad-hominem insults and other groundless APD inspired
nonsense in response to my response to you, much like a child has a
temper tantrum. Is this the kind of guy you'd want as a friend?


Dave
"Sandbagger"

Your right, is that the kind
of friend you want from George?
It kind of goes both ways Dave.



I am no more George's friend, than you are. He may share some of the
same philosophical viewpoints as i do, but that's about it.

Dave


Fair enough. But to say that he may share
some "philosophical" views disturbs me. So it's
ok to crap on anyone that doesn't agree with you?
It's ok to use foul language? It's ok to harass, send
virus's, sign you up for Spam, false accusations,
that's the kind of philosophies you believe in?

Landshark


--
Try these to learn about newsgroup trolls.

http://www.io.com/~zikzak/troll_thesis.html
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm






SD Special Delivery Jones August 23rd 03 01:48 PM


"Landshark" . wrote in message
.com...

Fair enough. But to say that he may share
some "philosophical" views disturbs me. So it's
ok to crap on anyone that doesn't agree with you?


Like you never have




It's ok to use foul language?


Like you never have , wanna see your posts.





It's ok to harass,


Again like you never have, you have harrassed many people including me




send virus's,


Now your lying, show proof that I have ever done anything like that.






sign you up for Spam,


Again show proof,




false accusations,



Which accusations are false that your a blatant homosexual that has been
proven to post in the transexual Newsgroups. Nothing false there
your ip, name and computer are stamped all over them.






that's the kind of philosophies you believe in?


everything you have accused me of you have done the same, remember you
trolling as Frenchy to harras me, posting accusatory posts with absolutly no
proof. here is a hankie Landqueer








Landshark




Dave Hall August 23rd 03 08:49 PM

Brainbuster wrote:

Dave Hall wrote in message ...

. By not speaking out against it, you are basically
condoning it.


Do you really believe that?


Yes.

Do you take the time to speak out against everything you disagree with?


When presented in a public forum, I do, if given the chance.


Let's face it, if we all went around whining about everything we disagree
with, we would soon end up in a mental institution... but not before the
Internet is brought down by the incredible load created by the whole world
whining.

I am quite sure that you, like every other sensible person, pick the things
that you feel important enough to you... but don't blame other people if
their priorities are different.


I feel that adherence to the intent of laws is important. On the other
hand, if you want to run around in a pink tu-tu, that doesn't bother me.


Anyhow, whining about illegal use on this newsgroup does nothing more than
add to the noise. Look at how few *different* people there are on this
newsgroup, how much time is spent whining, and how many years it has gone on
for. It really is incredibly inefficient on time.


This may be true. But it's a testament toward the sad state of affairs
that our society is slowly devolving into.

Either Georgina is too stupid to see that it is making no difference to the
situation, except to make the "pro-legals" look like a bunch of losers... or
the only intention is too fill the newsgroup with arguments.


I'm not so sure about that. Many of the staunchest "defenders" of the
worst of behavior and illegal activities have gotten worn down by the
"harassment", and have left. So, in some respects it has worked.


Every now and then, Sparky makes a reasonable argument with things such as
the SSB efficiency thread... but agreeing with him stops him dead in his
tracks, until he can to find a way to start an argument again.


It is possible to be in disagreement with someone without being
disagreeable.


Dave
"Sandbagger"


Landshark August 23rd 03 10:24 PM


"Dave Hall" wrote in message ...
Landshark wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message

...
Landshark wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message

...
You won't need it from me, although you might want to think about who it
is that you're defending, even subtlely.

It's a sure bet that the king of the punch clowns will unleash a barrage
of untruths, ad-hominem insults and other groundless APD inspired
nonsense in response to my response to you, much like a child has a
temper tantrum. Is this the kind of guy you'd want as a friend?


Dave
"Sandbagger"

Your right, is that the kind
of friend you want from George?
It kind of goes both ways Dave.



I am no more George's friend, than you are. He may share some of the
same philosophical viewpoints as i do, but that's about it.

Dave


Fair enough. But to say that he may share
some "philosophical" views disturbs me.


Why?

So it's
ok to crap on anyone that doesn't agree with you?


I never said or implied that.


It's ok to use foul language? It's ok to harass, send
virus's, sign you up for Spam, false accusations,
that's the kind of philosophies you believe in?


Uh, no. I was refering to the concepts of responsible and LEGAL radio
operation. Philosophically, we are in agreement. I am not, however, a
proponent of some of his methods. There is a difference you know....


Dave
"Sandbagger"


Fair enough.

Landshark


--
The happy people are those who are producing something;
the bored people are those who are consuming much and
producing nothing.



Brainbuster August 24th 03 09:02 PM

Landshark wrote in message
...

dozens of others who have long since left because of your
constant harassment & trolling you do here?



After all the years, their only achievement is to chase a few of the
legitimate users away... illegal CB and the talk of amps, freebanding, etc
continues just the same. if they were really wanting to persue legal
issues, they would be doing something more useful than whining on here.

It is clear that certain people want to clear this newsgroup, maybe they
just hate CB.
Well, I refuse to be chased from a group just because a small number of
people have nothing better in their lives than hatred of people who are
doing them no harm.


Ask all the mentioned above, they to have
had that problem with you.



I have an e-mail address that is never used and never given out. When I
e-mailed someone on this group, I decided to use that addy, rather than my
usual one.
Suddenly, spam started rolling in. Not a great amount, but it has been
getting spam ever since. My other addy at that ISP is only ever used for
business contacts, and it has never had any spam... so it is not the ISP
selling details.

It gives me an extremely short list of suspects.



Regards,

Peter.




Dave Hall August 25th 03 12:26 PM

SD Special Delivery Jones wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
Uh, no. I was refering to the concepts of responsible and LEGAL radio
operation. Philosophically, we are in agreement. I am not, however, a
proponent of some of his methods. There is a difference you know....


Dave I hope you don't believe the snake oil they are selling.


Hardly.


They are like the girl who cried wolf, un fact Twisty brought your name up
last week
many times I guess he figured you were behind some of the shenannigans.


Twisty is enamored with me, as he is with anyone who's paid him a little
attention in the past. He craves attention, which is why I stopped
"debating" with him. It was a hopeless cause and I'm not going to
contribute to the inflation of his self-importance and ego. He's not
interested in discussing points. He just wants to insult people who
don't share his sociopathic disregard for the common rules of law and
courtesy. He also likes being at the center of attention, however
negative it may be. He's like the "black sheep" of the family, who pulls
the Christmas tree down, while the rest of the family fawns over the
other brother or sister's gifts. Even thought it may not be positive
attention, it is still attention, and he knows that his stunt is what
the family will remember and talk about for years to come.

That's why it's pointless to make up web sites about him, or to mount
crusades to "rid the airwaves" of him. He thrives on that sort of
attention. As long as his relative anonymity is secure, and he feels
that noneone will ever do anything "serious" other than banter on this
newsgroup, he's free to play the part of the cartoon character. Once he
feels really threatened, watch his demeanor suddenly change....


They have no clue who is doing what, as evidance of their accusations at me
and Leland. that's why they accuse like 3- 4 people every time
by luck they may get it right if then name enough people.


There are many self proclaimed "internet sleuths", who think that they
know far more than they really do, when it comes to tracing I.P.
addresses. What it all boils down to is that no one knows who anyone is
for sure. They just take big guesses. Notice than no one can prove any
of it.

Dave
"Sandbagger"


Twistedhed August 25th 03 09:03 PM

From: (SD=A0Special=A0Delivery=A0Jones)
"Landshark" . wrote in message
.com...
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Fair enough. But to say that he may share some
"philosophical" views disturbs me.
(So it's ok to crap on anyone that doesn't agree with you?)

Like you never have

_
Note how you instantly attempt deferrment by referring to another and
implying that THEIR behavior may have been compromised somehow, at some
point, and you attempt to justify your own behavior by calling attention
to anothers.
_
(It's ok to use foul language?)

Like you never have , wanna see your posts.

_
(It's ok to harass,)

And again..

Again like you never have, you have


harrassed many people including me


send virus's,

Now your lying, show proof that I have ever


done anything like that.

=A0

=A0No,,YOU prove it wasn't you. You have asked several on this group to
prove double-negatives several times..it is now YOUR turn to provide
proof you didn't do what everyone knows you have done.

(sign you up for Spam,)

Again show proof,

_
Again, prove it was not you, as the burden of proof is ON you, as you
are the only one denying the belief the entire group holds of you. It is
not for anyone to prove anything about you, as your reputation is sealed
in cheap plastic...if you are unhappy with such, you need prove everyone
wrong and yourself right. If it wasn't such a concern you wouldn't make
it such a front issue.
_
(false accusations,)

Which accusations are false that your a


blatant homosexual that has been proven to


post in the transexual Newsgroups.


Shark didn't make the posts. That you somehow feel YOUR claims of
another are to believed by anyone, anyone at all, illustrates how severe
your communication deficit really is...
_
Nothing


false there your ip, name and computer are


stamped all over them.

=A0
=A0According to Lelnad and Hall, one can't
go by IP numbers. Davie Hall N3CVJ made that post just today. Did you
miss it?
But, alas, these two are masters at offering obfuscational techniques
and reasons why it means nothing and should be discarded. Hell, the
Hypocrite Hall made repeated lies claiming he accessed the group in only
ONE manner all these years, with the exception of a "short stint when
his posts all originated from Villanova."
This was, of course, absolute bull**** and when he was asked about it,
he denied it, as usual, and took to whining about the poster, and cried
much the song you are now whining.. "Pwoof, Pwoof, gimme pwoof".....he
foot-stomped and denied and demanded I post
the complete headers and ISP numbers that not only matched, but
originated with his computer. I did so. Hall's claim of defense
expertise? "I have no idea how my headers came to be shown
there,,perhaps my server routes my posts through Villanova".......LOL!
That ilustrates the intellect emanating from, well, from where? He
didn't inform the FCC when he moved a little while back.....
I think your self-described AKC club should be referred to as the Liars'
Club,,heck,,Voobsie nailed the master-liars by name. We'll provide the
calls
_
that's the kind of philosophies you believe in?


everything you have accused me of you have


done the same,

=A0

=A0Of interesting note is the refusal to acknowledge your own behavior.
The
self-hatred and communication deficit you suffer from, dictates refusal
of acknowledgement of your own behavior. Your damaged psyche triggers a
denial-defense mechanism that insist you meet all inquiries of your own
behavior by invoking anothers.
_
remember you trolling as Frenchy to harras


me, posting accusatory posts with absolutly no
proof. here is a hankie Landqueer

=A0
=A0=A0
Landshark initiated no harassment of you at all, like all others that
illustrate your insanity, and communication deficit, you started it. You
break you ass on a daily basis to start trouble with all you come into
contact with. You were never capable of learning proper debate skills,
let alone proper communication technique. It angers you to sit back and
watch so many be a part of something you were never able to achieve, so
you lash out at all you envy the most.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0


Twistedhed August 25th 03 09:05 PM

From: (SD=A0Special=A0Delivery=A0Jones)
"Landshark" . wrote in message
.com...
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Fair enough. But to say that he may share some
"philosophical" views disturbs me.
(So it's ok to crap on anyone that doesn't agree with you?)

Like you never have

_
Note how you instantly attempt deferrment by referring to another and
implying that THEIR behavior may have been compromised somehow, at some
point, and you attempt to justify your own behavior by calling attention
to anothers.
_
(It's ok to use foul language?)

Like you never have , wanna see your posts.

_
(It's ok to harass,)

And again..

Again like you never have, you have


harrassed many people including me


send virus's,

Now your lying, show proof that I have ever


done anything like that.

=A0

=A0No,,YOU prove it wasn't you. You have asked several on this group to
prove double-negatives several times..it is now YOUR turn to provide
proof you didn't do what everyone knows you have done.

(sign you up for Spam,)

Again show proof,

_
Again, prove it was not you, as the burden of proof is ON you, as you
are the only one denying the belief the entire group holds of you. It is
not for anyone to prove anything about you, as your reputation is sealed
in cheap plastic...if you are unhappy with such, you need prove everyone
wrong and yourself right. If it wasn't such a concern you wouldn't make
it such a front issue.
_
(false accusations,)

Which accusations are false that your a


blatant homosexual that has been proven to


post in the transexual Newsgroups.


Shark didn't make the posts. That you somehow feel YOUR claims of
another are to believed by anyone, anyone at all, illustrates how severe
your communication deficit really is...
_
Nothing


false there your ip, name and computer are


stamped all over them.

=A0
=A0According to Lelnad and Hall, one can't
go by IP numbers. Davie Hall N3CVJ made that post just today. Did you
miss it?
But, alas, these two are masters at offering obfuscational techniques
and reasons why it means nothing and should be discarded. Hell, the
Hypocrite Hall made repeated lies claiming he accessed the group in only
ONE manner all these years, with the exception of a "short stint when
his posts all originated from Villanova."
This was, of course, absolute bull**** and when he was asked about it,
he denied it, as usual, and took to whining about the poster, and cried
much the song you are now whining.. "Pwoof, Pwoof, gimme pwoof".....he
foot-stomped and denied and demanded I post
the complete headers and ISP numbers that not only matched, but
originated with his computer. I did so. Hall's claim of defense
expertise? "I have no idea how my headers came to be shown
there,,perhaps my server routes my posts through Villanova".......LOL!
That ilustrates the intellect emanating from, well, from where? He
didn't inform the FCC when he moved a little while back.....
I think your self-described AKC club should be referred to as the Liars'
Club,,heck,,Voobsie nailed the master-liars by name. We'll provide the
calls
_
that's the kind of philosophies you believe in?


everything you have accused me of you have


done the same,

=A0

=A0Of interesting note is the refusal to acknowledge your own behavior.
The
self-hatred and communication deficit you suffer from, dictates refusal
of acknowledgement of your own behavior. Your damaged psyche triggers a
denial-defense mechanism that insist you meet all inquiries of your own
behavior by invoking anothers.
_
remember you trolling as Frenchy to harras


me, posting accusatory posts with absolutly no
proof. here is a hankie Landqueer

=A0
=A0=A0
Landshark initiated no harassment of you at all, like all others that
illustrate your insanity, and communication deficit, you started it. You
break you ass on a daily basis to start trouble with all you come into
contact with. You were never capable of learning proper debate skills,
let alone proper communication technique. It angers you to sit back and
watch so many be a part of something you were never able to achieve, so
you lash out at all you envy the most.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0


Twistedhed August 25th 03 10:31 PM

From: (SD=A0Special=A0Delivery=A0Jones)
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
That's why it's pointless to make up web sites about him, or to mount
crusades to "rid the airwaves" of him. He thrives on that sort of
attention. As long as his relative anonymity is secure, and he feels
that noneone will ever do anything "serious" other than banter on this
newsgroup, he's free to play the part of the cartoon character. Once he
feels really threatened, watch his demeanor suddenly change....
__
Dave I feel the same way, I wouldn;t waste any time making wepages about
them either my repkys to them in the group already constitutes enough
air time
for them. But there are others who don't post as much to the group and
have the time to make the web pages, that is thier contribution to the
group, ya know what
they cry about these made up web pages yet they hold one of thier own.
Me and a few others are the center of attention yet I never once cried
about it like they do. Go figure... Have a good one Dave.

_
LOL,,,there we have it,,Lelnad all weekend,,,the collective denial of
these two voob teamers ,,these who protesteth too much,,,





SD Special Delivery Jones August 25th 03 11:12 PM


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Again like you never have, you have harrassed many people including me

send virus's,

Now your lying, show proof that I have ever done anything like that.



No,,YOU prove it wasn't you. You have asked several on this group to
prove double-negatives several times..it is now YOUR turn to provide
proof you didn't do what everyone knows you have done.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

HaHa how do you suggest I prove it wasn't me you sick puppy?
The onus is on the accuser assmunch, you have some sorta proof that I did
post it.
I just proved it wasn't me, I told you it wasn't.









(sign you up for Spam,)

Again show proof,

_
Again, prove it was not you, as the burden of proof is ON you, as you
are the only one denying the belief the entire group holds of you. It is
not for anyone to prove anything about you, as your reputation is sealed
in cheap plastic...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

LOL as you know assmunch you know it is physicaly impossible for me to prove
your claims.
Provide your evidance, thats how the accusatory stage works, then it is
refuted. need a call from Nancy to explain Lawyering?







(false accusations,)

Which accusations are false that your a


blatant homosexual that has been proven to


post in the transexual Newsgroups.


Shark didn't make the posts.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well using your sick mentality he should prove it, yet his IP address
proved it was him. He lies you swear to it ...
Hahhahahahahahahahahaqhahahahahahahahahahhahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahah
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOO LOO





That you somehow feel YOUR claims of
another are to believed by anyone, anyone at all, illustrates how severe
your communication deficit really is...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That is the difference assclown, my claims are backed up by Hard evidance IP
address direct from Landqueers computer.
Your claims are backed up by nothing but hot air and accusations never
proven.







_
Nothing


false there your ip, name and computer are


stamped all over them.


According to Lelnad and Hall, one can't
go by IP numbers. Davie Hall N3CVJ made that post just today. Did you
miss it?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
Yes here comes the catch 22, Landqueer admitted they came from his computer,
he blamed someone else, now dispute that assclown.





me, posting accusatory posts with absolutly no
proof. here is a hankie Landqueer



Landshark initiated no harassment of you at all, like all others that
illustrate your insanity, and communication deficit, you started it.
************************************************** **********
I started nothing assclown, his posting of every screename I used was his
start to the harassment,
along with his sig file crying about me. check google dickface.








You
break you ass on a daily basis to start trouble with all you come into
contact with.
************************************************
No I just break the assholes like you, remeber your problem with me started
when you took the group hostage with all your reply troll posts to N8WMM.
You were more of a troll than he was and you still are, you couldn't leave
him alone, hell even Landshark has asked you to stop recently, nothing has
changed with you NOTHING!you can't you won't your addicted to trolling and
lieing.






You were never capable of learning proper debate skills,
let alone proper communication technique. It angers you to sit back and
watch so many be a part of something you were never able to achieve, so
you lash out at all you envy the most.



Landshark August 26th 03 04:50 AM


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Landshark initiated no harassment of you at all, like all others that
illustrate your insanity, and communication deficit, you started it. You
break you ass on a daily basis to start trouble with all you come into
contact with. You were never capable of learning proper debate skills,
let alone proper communication technique. It angers you to sit back and
watch so many be a part of something you were never able to achieve, so
you lash out at all you envy the most.


Oh, don't worry about him Twist, he's his
own enemy.

Landshark


--
The happy people are those who are producing something;
the bored people are those who are consuming much and
producing nothing.



Twistedhed August 26th 03 02:36 PM

NNTP-Posting-Date: =A0=A0 Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 5:12pm (EDT-1) From: =A0=A0
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"Twistedhed" wrote in message
... (Again
like you never have, you have harrassed many people including me send
virus's,)

Now your lying, show proof that I have ever


done anything like that.



No,,YOU prove it wasn't you. You have asked several on this group to
prove double-negatives several times..it is now YOUR turn to provide
proof you didn't do what everyone knows you have done.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
HaHa how do you suggest I prove it wasn't me
you sick puppy?


I ain't the sick puppy,,your pal Davie-boy Hall is the sick puppy for
his sexual devations concerning children..

The onus is on the accuser assmunch,


Not according to lelnad and Hall,,,are you claiming they lie? They claim
their CLAIMS are plenty proof, so the pendulum swings both ways. They
BOTH claimed no need to produce proof, as if YOU want the proof, it's
out there for the taking..go get it..if that is good enough for them,it
most certainly is good enough for the rest of us..hahahaha!

I just proved it wasn't me, I told you it wasn't.


And holding with the lid ways and mannerisms, you continue to never
disappoint. The voob named team of lids, consisting of yourself, KC8LDO,
N8wwm, and n3cvj, all denie wrong doing, yet, N8WWM was popped by the
feds, Lelnad lost accounts, you lie and spam, and N3cvj lies and lies
and lies.....3 out of four of you threatened me, and now, true to form,
you all, just like clockwork and predictable as ever, like little
minions lined up in a row waiting your turn at being bathed, feel your
words somehow means something to this group, as you 3 collectively come
out swinging and shouting about y'alls innocence, only y'all have never
been innocent of anything,,,,,yer guilty 'nutha 'suckas..LOL!.

Again show proof.

_
Again, prove it was not you, as the burden of proof is ON you, as you
are the only one denying the belief the entire group holds of you. It is
not for anyone to prove anything about you, as your reputation is sealed
in cheap plastic...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
LOL as you know assmunch you know it is


physicaly impossible for me to prove your


claims.

=A0
Well, I am only using Davie Hall's tactic that he used when asked the
same thing you are asking of me now. He told me "Prove it didn't
happen", concerning his claim of a cber getting busted in 2 different
places at once that never really happened. does this make n3cvj an
"assmunch" also, or are you being hypocritically selective and applying
the rules only to others y as only a lid like yourself can do ?
=A0

Provide your evidance, thats how the


accusatory stage works, then it is refuted.


Well, you accuse ME of lying,,,prove it. This is YOUR claim.

need a call from Nancy to explain Lawyering?


Nancy who?

_
Shark wrote:(false accusations,)

Which accusations are false that your a


blatant homosexual that has been proven to


post in the transexual Newsgroups.


Shark didn't make the posts.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Well using your sick mentality he should prove
it,


Please explain how you miscontsrue my mentality as "sick" and not Hall's
for his sexual deviancy.....oh,,excuse me,,he claimed you condoned such
behavior against children.
yet his IP address proved it was him.
Yet another flawed character trait eeks out from your pile of fecal
matter.

He lies


you swear to it ...


Hahhahahahahahahahahaqhahahahahahaha


hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
OLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOOLOO

=A0
=A0That you somehow feel YOUR claims of
another are to believed by anyone, anyone at all, illustrates how severe
your communication deficit really is...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That is the difference assclown, my claims are
backed up by Hard evidance IP address direct
from Landqueers computer.

=A0
And indeed, so was mine concerning Davie Hall Jr.'s from Villanova, yet
he denied it and had to have his nose rubbed in it a little more before
he came off with the superb gem "Perhaps my ISP routes my email through
Villanova, I don't know Your claims are backed up by nothing but more
claims, as are all the clown quotes from the lids we enjoy taking down
several notches on aregular basis. You have nothing but hot air and your
accusations are baseless, off-topic, of malicious intent, and never
proven.
=A0=A0And you never answered concerning the 68.45 addy. Did that user
forge you? Hmm?
_
Nothing


false there your ip, name and computer are


stamped all over them.


According to Lelnad and Hall, one can't
go by IP numbers. Davie Hall N3CVJ made that post just today. Did you
miss it?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes


Then I suggest you go abck and read it, as he claims these IP numbers
mean nothing.

here comes the catch 22,


You think?

Landqueer


admitted they came from his computer, he


blamed someone else, now dispute that


assclown.

=A0=A0


Easy as a court of law,,,,is there reasonable doubt he posted them? YES.
Why? They came from a place of employment. Anyone could have made that
post. No catch 22 at all, Dave Hall denied making the posts and when
showed proof, could do nothing but offer "I don't know HOW my headers
got there."..lol....and we have Lelnad ADMITTING he posted from work,
USING the Bignet account,,was there reasonable doubt with Lelnad?
Never,,at least not in any sane, non-angry, rational, sane, human
being's mind. And lastly, we have YOU, attempting to distance yourself
as far as possible from that 68.45 post that ofered your call sign. Once
again,,,,were you forged by that user? : )~

me, posting accusatory posts with absolutly no
proof. here is a hankie Landqueer


Landshark initiated no harassment of you at all, like all others that
illustrate your insanity, and communication deficit, you started it.
**********************************************
I started nothing assclown,



You start everything, and everyone knows it. Too bad for your you, huh?
LOL..your repeated daily homosexual references noted,,,no wonder you and
Davie both get along, your're both perverts, and anyone reading your
posts would agree..

his posting of every screename I used was his
start to the harassment,


Bull****, Your harassment was in play long before that. He shined the
light on your ass, just like I did with my dog pile, and you went to
pieces as did your lid pals KC8LDO and N3CVJ and N8wwm. Blaming the
person that points out your filthy little games and behaviors has ALWAYS
been YOUR problem as well as the above mentioned..

along with his sig file crying about me. check


google dickface.

=A0
I was there, Geogre,,you're lying. Always the penis references from
you..you know what Freud says,,,,if you don't ask Davie-son,,he's his
own favorite deranged subject,,,,ya' know, if you didn't claim your call
was WA3MOJ, one would think you're a chick with all your preferences to
speaking of the penis and the ass. Did the user at the 68.45 addy forge
you?
You
break you ass on a daily basis to start trouble with all you come into
contact with.
**********************************************
No I just break the assholes like you,


Another sexual connotation and you;re not even aware of
it,,,,,,"breaking assholes" seems right up your alley.

remeber your problem with me started when


you took the group hostage with all your reply


troll posts to N8WMM.


Despite your mild retardation and insanity, "replies" to a directed
inquiry are not troll posts. Calling all you disagree with, all you can
not comprehend, all you dislike, all that you fear, all that you
respect, all that you love, "troll posts" is but one of the reasons
you're not taken serious, Geogre. You're insanity prevents it.

You were more of a troll than he was and you


still are, you couldn't leave him alone, hell


even Landshark has asked you to stop


Yes,,,Shark has asked me to stop REPLYING, but Landshark is a big boy.
On the other hand . EVERYONE has asked you to lay off. Shark hit it
right on the head when he listed the problems you have made,,,,with
everyone,
Geogre,,,,,,except (sigh),,,Kc8LDO, N3CVJ, and N8WWM ,,they are the ONLY
ones you never had a smart-ass TROLL post directed toward and are the
ONLY ones you never insulted with your homosexual remarks.
recently, nothing has changed with you

NOTHING!you can't you won't your addicted


to trolling and lieing.


I don't lie,Geogre,,I am the bastion of integrity and stand behind what
I write, unlike the vob team, who are all hanging their heads in shame
this day,,,and rightly so,,,,don't worry,,they are still here,,just
driven deep underground where they belong, Light has always caused you
lids such pain.





George Is Innocent September 2nd 03 06:30 PM

"Brainbuster" wrote in message ...
Dave Hall wrote in message ...

There are many self proclaimed "internet sleuths", who think that they
know far more than they really do, when it comes to tracing I.P.
addresses.


No sh*t.
Like the fool who thought they had traced me to Birmingham.
Then, realising their cock-up, they changed it to me having been born
there... some kind of software they were using, huh.
As if that wasn't crazy enough, they then made claims that has me down as
posting from several parts of the UK within a couple of hours. Without my
own private Jet, and landing facilities close to the points, it would not
have been possible. Even then, it would be doubtful.

But, if they were making a fool of themself, then what about the person who
was silly enough to believe it and carry on the crazy suggestions. Yep, if
brains were sh*it, I doub't he would have enough to grow a potato.

Everyone seems to be saying, "not me", but there are "Twisty" Web sites.
The person creating them is clearly obsessed with him as it is the main
point of their posts on here... to promote them.

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.


Regards,

Peter.


No similar complaints about the voobie websites? Hmmmmmm

George Is Innocent September 3rd 03 05:28 AM

(Twistedhed) wrote in message ...
From:
(George Is Innocent)
No similar complaints about the voobie
websites? Hmmmmmm


LOL,,,,that's cause I never attacked and drew first blood with anyone,
ever.


Let some one say anything against freebanding and
you're on them like a rabid attack dog. LOL. L-i-a-r.

Everyone seems to be saying, "not me", but
there are "Twisty" Web sites. The person
creating them is clearly obsessed with him as
it is the main point of their posts on here... to
promote them.
6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
Regards,
Peter.


Peter is another sad case. Whoever put up the site with
nude george and voobsie pics is not as bad? But no
complaints from Peter about that one. Wonder why. LOL.
H-y-p-o-cr-i-t-e.

And therein lies the gist of it all, who continues to make their posts
off-topic and of me? Ummm,,big surprise. Look at this clown with his
email addy,,hehhe.. a few years ago when Dick busted him forging in the
hammie rooms the email that showed up in here shortly after was "Lelnad
is innocent." ...LOL.


Gist? You wouldnt know a gist if it bit you in the ass. George
IS innocent. Dick NEVER busted Leland. And there is only
ONE punch clown in this group. It's you Twirted. It's you.

Twistedhed September 3rd 03 02:17 PM

From: (George=A0Is=A0Innocent)
(Twistedhed) wrote in message
...
From:
(George Is Innocent)
No similar complaints about the voobie
websites? Hmmmmmm
=A0=A0LOL,,,,that's cause I never attacked and drew first blood with
anyone,
ever.

Let some one say anything against


freebanding and you're on them like a rabid


attack dog. LOL. L-i-a-r.





Really? Is that why you have been unable to produce a singel post
backing anything you say? Say it, don't spray it.

(Everyone seems to be saying, "not me", but

there are "Twisty" Web sites. The person

creating them is clearly obsessed with him as it

is the main point of their posts on here... to

promote them.

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

Regards,

Peter. )

Peter is another sad case.



(Snip)

LMAO,,,,yea,sure,,,anyone who *knows* you're a loser is "sad",LOL.

Whoever put up the site with nude george


and voobsie pics is not as bad? But no


complaints from Peter about that one. Wonder


why. LOL. H-y-p-o-cr-i-t-e.


=A0=A0And therein lies the gist of it all, who continues to make their
posts off-topic and of me? Ummm,,big surprise. Look at this clown with
his email addy,,hehhe.. a few years ago when Dick busted him forging in
the hammie rooms the email that showed up in here shortly after was
"Lelnad is innocent." ...LOL.

Gist?



Yes,,look it up since your deficit in communication kicked in as soon as
you began to think.

You wouldnt know a gist if it bit you in the


ass.



Your anger won't change your deficit one bit,,it only serves to
illustrate it more.

George IS innocent. Dick NEVER busted


Leland.



LOL,,,,sure he did. He forged me and Train in a hammie room. Too bad
your ****ty browser has you missing posts again,,,whoops,,wait a
second,,you already commented on KC8LDO's forges....that deficit of
yours is getting more painful for you to live with each day..LOL.

And there is only ONE punch clown



Actaully, there are several,,the voob man named you pertfectly,,let's
see,,,what did he say,,oh,,that this group would have to deal with the
trouble cause by N8wwm, KC8LDO, N3CVJ, WA3MOJ, and
Gillinad...LOL...whattya know,HARHARhe WAS right!. Not one of you have
managed to hold onto an email address, and only one of you has
one,,LOL,,,,,clown.


Brainbuster September 4th 03 07:35 AM

Twistedhed wrote in message
...
From: (George Is Innocent)
No similar complaints about the voobie
websites? Hmmmmmm


LOL,,,,that's cause I never attacked and drew first blood with anyone,
ever.


Hi Twist.

There's none so blind as those who do not want to see.

What he is missing, is that I have spoken out against some posts on here,
such as Lou's spamming. I have also told people on CB newsgroups if
something is illegal, and told people that they do not need an Amp... when
they have asked.
Because I do not rant on and try to beat people into submission, like they
do, they refuse to see those posts.

However, in spite of speaking out or warning against some illegal things, or
some posts to the group, I find that the only problems I ever get are from
"antis". They seem to be the only people here who see in black and
white - a friend must agree with everything they say, anyone else is an
enemy.


And therein lies the gist of it all, who continues to make their posts
off-topic and of me?



They have shown what they are, when they post nothing of use to the group -
just arguments, insults, etc. It didn't take them long to show their true
purpose to me when I came to the group. Other newbies to the group will
soon see them for what they are.

If you continue to argue with them at the same rate, you may find yourself
in some of the same killfiles as them... not because of who you are or what
you believe, but just because people don't want to see the soap opera any
more.

What the group needs is more rational, CB type posts.



Regards,

Peter.



Brainbuster September 4th 03 07:35 AM

George Is Innocent wrote in message
.. .

Peter is another sad case. Whoever put up the site with
nude george and voobsie pics is not as bad? But no
complaints from Peter about that one.



As usual, you select parts from a post, twist them about, and try to make it
fit your argument. Sadly, you are lacking the skills to do this well...
otherwise, you would be working in Government.

I did not complain about the Web sites, but referred to the constant posts
promoting them on this group.

Now, where do you see constant posts purely to promote other sites? There
is, of course, the constant reposts from Lou Franklin, and you surely must
know that I have spoken out against his constant use of this group to
promote his business.

Do people try to claim that I am biased against Lou, his business, or even
the illegal modifications that he promotes? I don't see any complaints from
"keyclowns" about me speaking my mind... not even from Twist.
Maybe, unlike you, they do not have a chip on their shoulder.
Sure, I would rather that Lou kept his spam to the level needed to update
the servers, no more than one copy per month. Sure, I would rather that Lou
made attempts to encourage people to learn more so they know what they are
doing. But, I would NOT want to see him or his business go.

It was the same when Voob was posting the same message multiple times
in just a couple of days.
As I made clear then, I do not object to posts on these subjects... but
making multiple posting is hogging bandwidth and space on struggling
servers.

There are fears that the Internet cannot sustain the way it's use is
increasing, and it could all crash under the strain one day soon. Some
ISPs servers are already unable to cope, my old ISP has dropped all
newsgroup services, as they could not cope with the demands on their
servers. The bandwidth it took from their system was incredible, and they
probably got fed up with increasing the available disk space as the
requirements kept increasing.

Add to this the fact that people get fed up with seeing the same post over
and over... and even wasting their download time on such repeated messages,
it is all pointless. The only thing it does is to put people off using the
newsgroup.




Brainbuster September 4th 03 07:36 AM

George Is Innocent wrote in message
.. .
"Brainbuster" wrote in message

...

Everyone seems to be saying, "not me", but there are "Twisty" Web sites.
The person creating them is clearly obsessed with him as it is the main
point of their posts on here... to promote them.

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.


No similar complaints about the voobie websites? Hmmmmmm



I didn't complain about the Web sites.
Sure, I siad they exist... and they do.
Sure, I said about the person who keeps promoting them, time and time
again.... and they do.

There is ONE "Voobie" Website that I know of. Your use of the plural
suggests that there is more than one... care to post links so that we can
see them all?
I certainly don't see constant posts and threads being started just to
promote these "Voobie sites".

Also, notice the use of the phrase, "6 of one, half a dozen of the other"...
do you not know what that means, or are you conveniently ignoring it?





Twistedhed September 4th 03 07:05 PM

From: (Brainbuster)
Twistedhed wrote in message
...
From:
(George Is Innocent)
(No similar complaints about the voobie
websites? Hmmmmmm )
_
LOL,,,,that's cause I never attacked and drew first blood with anyone,
ever.

Hi Twist.



Yo' Brain!

There's none so blind as those who do not


want to see.





Agreed. Sometimes it takes a blind man to take one's hand and say "don't
you see?"


What he is missing, is that I have spoken out


against some posts on here, such as Lou's


spamming.



Yea,,I remember, but, if you noticed, Lou's posts are on topic and
several times have been posted during a rash of angry-off-topic posts
(are there any others?) by those we have come to expect it the
most,,,,,,,,,in other words,,sometimes when Lou posted, they were the
ONLY cb related posts in the group.


I have also told people on CB


newsgroups if something is illegal, and told


people that they do not need an Amp... when


they have asked.





Haha..yea...THAT kills the angry lids, as they have a myopic view that
tells them those who disagree must be illegal, and all team-voobers know
if one disagrees with another team-voober, then that person is falsely
and cowardly accused.



Because I do not rant on and try to beat


people into submission, like they do, they


refuse to see those posts.



Exactly. A semi-decent hammie educated me long ago on certain
frequencies where those who scream the loudest about know the least.

However, in spite of speaking out or warning


against some illegal things, or some posts to


the group, I find that the only problems I ever


get are from "antis". =A0



LOL..those are the only problems PERIOD on this group,,every single one
of them self-created.


They seem to be the only people here who


see in black and white - a friend must agree


with everything they say, anyone else is an


enemy.





Well, you;re gonna be in a target now for certain. Evil hates bright
lights like that.

_
And therein lies the gist of it all, who continues to make their posts
off-topic and of me?

They have shown what they are, when they


post nothing of use to the group - just


arguments, insults, etc. =A0 It didn't take them


long to show their true purpose to me when I


came to the group.





They hate change, any kind at all. They would rather wallow in their
breeding ground of contemptual familiarity, however, when one
illustrates the anger and malice emanating from this little sorry group
of boys, folks like you take notice and it berates their ego to the
point of rendering them towards insanity.

Other newbies to the group will soon see them
for what they are.



Which is why sometimes one must get mud on them to defend against
sty-dwellers (shrug), WTH,,,,they are the only ones that it doesn't wash
off of.

If you continue to argue with them at the same
rate, you may find yourself in some of the


same killfiles as them... not because of who


you are or what you believe, but just because


people don't want to see the soap opera any


more.





Yea, that has occurred, but it makes no real difference. In fact, many
(not all, but MANY) of those who feel the extraoridinary need to TELL
one that they are in a killfile have their own issues. I mean, if one is
using a killfile for their own advantage, what is gained by telling
another "I killfiled you"? It's akin to "na-na-na-na-boo-boo!" and
serves no purpose except self-gratification to the person who thinks
another actually gives a damn if they killfile someone or not.,,,in
other words,,,"An Ego" trip. Killfiling for spam and related issues are
notable exceptions. Killfiling because someone disagrees or doesn't do
what one demands or because one doesnt like what another says is for the
weak. JMHO, of course,




What the group needs is more rational, CB


type posts.


Regards,


Peter.



Agreed. We slammed the DX last weekend,,..cw really making the
difference on the American freeband freqs...more and more hammies
joining in each week from around the globe, unless there are a plethora
of unlicensed ops that are adept at code.
Right now we have a tropical storm coming ashore and the DX is running
wild,,,a direct line to my friends in the 'Star.
Have a good weekend over that a-way. Happy radio-ing!


Randy September 5th 03 04:33 AM


"Brainbuster" wrote in message
...
Twistedhed wrote in message
...
From: (George Is Innocent)
No similar complaints about the voobie
websites? Hmmmmmm


LOL,,,,that's cause I never attacked and drew first blood with anyone,
ever.


Hi Twist.

There's none so blind as those who do not want to see.

What he is missing, is that I have spoken out against some posts on here,
such as Lou's spamming. I have also told people on CB newsgroups if
something is illegal, and told people that they do not need an Amp... when
they have asked.
Because I do not rant on and try to beat people into submission, like they
do, they refuse to see those posts.

However, in spite of speaking out or warning against some illegal things,

or
some posts to the group, I find that the only problems I ever get are from
"antis". They seem to be the only people here who see in black and
white - a friend must agree with everything they say, anyone else is an
enemy.


And therein lies the gist of it all, who continues to make their posts
off-topic and of me?



They have shown what they are, when they post nothing of use to the

group -
just arguments, insults, etc. It didn't take them long to show their

true
purpose to me when I came to the group. Other newbies to the group will
soon see them for what they are.

If you continue to argue with them at the same rate, you may find yourself
in some of the same killfiles as them... not because of who you are or

what
you believe, but just because people don't want to see the soap opera any
more.

What the group needs is more rational, CB type posts.



Regards,

Peter.



Very much agreed.



Brainbuster September 6th 03 04:50 PM

George Is Innocent wrote in message
.. .
"Brainbuster" wrote in message

...

Do people try to claim that I am biased against Lou, his business, or even
the illegal modifications that he promotes? I don't see any complaints
from "keyclowns" about me speaking my mind... not even from Twist.


meaning, he is the queen of the keyclowns and if he doesn't complain
then it must be ok?



What must be OK... me speaking my mind?
So, who do you think has the right to speak their mind...
1. Just you.
2. You and anyone who agrees with you.
3. Any "akc".
4. Any "akc" and his socko.
5. Any newsgroup Troll.
6 Anyone.


wrong, dickbreath.



I see that you still have to resort to the usual childish insults.
And there have been suggestions that "Twisty" is a child... they need to
take a closer look at your attitude.
Strange how it matches the attitude of Georgina, and you jump to his
defence.
Does using another name allow you to reply to someone you have
"killfiled", without being a liar?


bla bla bla



Feeling sheepish?


still angry about Voob.



No... why should I, he seems to have gone.
I was just giving you a history lesson, as you seem to have selective vision
and memory. The facts may not suit you, but you really should take your
head out from the sand.

Are you still angry about "Voobie"?


yes your five angry posts



Angry?
Look back at the angry insult you made in response before you accuse
other people.
Selective vision and memory.


in response to my one


Which one of your posts?
If you are referring to the one on the 2nd Sept, I have only posted 4
messages to this group after you posted that... how can 5 be replies to
you?. If you are referring to other recent posts of your's, I have not
replied at all.

Do you not have eight fingers and two thumbs to use when counting?


LOL that really is helping conserve bandwidth huh



Try counting the posts... who takes up the most bandwidth on this
group?
Look at the posts over the last 3 to 4 weeks... you will see that my posts
really are just a tiny part of the bandwidth, with some posting over 150
messages in the same time as I post about 24. Some use different names to
cover up their obsession, but their attitude and phrases give them away.

As I say, selective vision and memory.


right so shut up already brummy



What was that you said about "angry" posts?
I would consider the above to show anger and despair... desperate to silence
any voices that show you for what you are.

Why don't you take some of your own advice?

How about the "George" character, try telling him to "shut up already".
That would be something, being told to shut up by his own socko.




Landshark September 7th 03 06:02 PM


"Brainbuster" wrote in message
...
George Is Innocent wrote in message
.. .
"Brainbuster" wrote in message

...

Do people try to claim that I am biased against Lou, his business, or even
the illegal modifications that he promotes? I don't see any complaints
from "keyclowns" about me speaking my mind... not even from Twist.


meaning, he is the queen of the keyclowns and if he doesn't complain
then it must be ok?



What must be OK... me speaking my mind?
So, who do you think has the right to speak their mind...
1. Just you.
2. You and anyone who agrees with you.
3. Any "akc".
4. Any "akc" and his socko.
5. Any newsgroup Troll.
6 Anyone.


wrong, dickbreath.



I see that you still have to resort to the usual childish insults.
And there have been suggestions that "Twisty" is a child... they need to
take a closer look at your attitude.
Strange how it matches the attitude of Georgina, and you jump to his
defence.
Does using another name allow you to reply to someone you have
"killfiled", without being a liar?


bla bla bla



Feeling sheepish?


still angry about Voob.



No... why should I, he seems to have gone.
I was just giving you a history lesson, as you seem to have selective vision
and memory. The facts may not suit you, but you really should take your
head out from the sand.

Are you still angry about "Voobie"?


yes your five angry posts



Angry?
Look back at the angry insult you made in response before you accuse
other people.
Selective vision and memory.


in response to my one


Which one of your posts?
If you are referring to the one on the 2nd Sept, I have only posted 4
messages to this group after you posted that... how can 5 be replies to
you?. If you are referring to other recent posts of your's, I have not
replied at all.

Do you not have eight fingers and two thumbs to use when counting?


LOL that really is helping conserve bandwidth huh



Try counting the posts... who takes up the most bandwidth on this
group?
Look at the posts over the last 3 to 4 weeks... you will see that my posts
really are just a tiny part of the bandwidth, with some posting over 150
messages in the same time as I post about 24. Some use different names to
cover up their obsession, but their attitude and phrases give them away.

As I say, selective vision and memory.


right so shut up already brummy



What was that you said about "angry" posts?
I would consider the above to show anger and despair... desperate to silence
any voices that show you for what you are.

Why don't you take some of your own advice?

How about the "George" character, try telling him to "shut up already".
That would be something, being told to shut up by his own socko.


Do a search of "Dick******" on google, refined to only rec.radio.cb, you'll see
by the results that George uses that term in
some 90% of the posts listed.

Landshark


--
Try these to learn about newsgroup trolls.

http://www.io.com/~zikzak/troll_thesis.html
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm



George Is Innocent September 7th 03 07:15 PM

Do a search of "Dick******" on google, refined to
only rec.radio.cb, you'll see
by the results that George uses that term in
some 90% of the posts listed.

Landshark


WTF does that prove you skirt wearing freak

Alan Strawinski September 7th 03 07:45 PM

"Landshark" . wrote in
m:

Enjoy trolling, I'm going out for a motorcycle ride, lot better
than you can
do..............


Hey, say a prayer for your local Buell-powered neighboor while you're out
riding! I can't ride until my bike gets out of the shop, probably today or
tommorow.

--

Alan Strawinski

http://alan.strawinski.net

George Is Innocent September 8th 03 03:22 AM

"Brainbuster" wrote in message ...
George Is Innocent wrote in message
.. .
"Brainbuster" wrote in message

...

Do people try to claim that I am biased against Lou, his business, or even
the illegal modifications that he promotes? I don't see any complaints
from "keyclowns" about me speaking my mind... not even from Twist.


meaning, he is the queen of the keyclowns and if he doesn't complain
then it must be ok?



What must be OK... me speaking my mind?


No. Lou, his business, and the illegal modifications he promotes.

So, who do you think has the right to speak their mind...
1. Just you.
2. You and anyone who agrees with you.
3. Any "akc".
4. Any "akc" and his socko.
5. Any newsgroup Troll.
6 Anyone.


7. Only those with minds?



wrong, dickbreath.



I see that you still have to resort to the usual childish insults.
And there have been suggestions that "Twisty" is a child... they need to
take a closer look at your attitude.
Strange how it matches the attitude of Georgina, and you jump to his
defence.


Since when is there anything strange about defending anyone?
Who do you think has the right to post a "defence"?...

1. Just you.
2. You and anyone who agrees with you.
3. Any keyclown
4. Any keyclown and Tim Nebo alter ego.
5. Any newsgroup Troll.
6 Anyone.

Does using another name allow you to reply to someone you have
"killfiled", without being a liar?


bla bla bla



Feeling sheepish?


No that would be "ba ba ba".



still angry about Voob.



No... why should I, he seems to have gone.


Then why do you mention him?

I was just giving you a history lesson, as you seem to have selective vision
and memory.


Who appointed you NG historian?

The facts may not suit you, but you really should take your
head out from the sand.

Are you still angry about "Voobie"?


Not at all. I love Voobie. He was the best thing ever to happen to this NG.



yes your five angry posts



Angry?


OK, is "peevish" a better word?

Look back at the angry insult you made in response before you accuse
other people.
Selective vision and memory.


Which one, the one where I called you a dick with ears?


in response to my one


Which one of your posts?
If you are referring to the one on the 2nd Sept, I have only posted 4
messages to this group after you posted that... how can 5 be replies to
you?. If you are referring to other recent posts of your's, I have not
replied at all.


You have packed an awful lot of complaining into 5 posts.

Do you not have eight fingers and two thumbs to use when counting?


Do you have your own foot stuffed in your mouth again?



LOL that really is helping conserve bandwidth huh



Try counting the posts... who takes up the most bandwidth on this
group?


Let me take a wild guess....umm...a brummy complaining about legal
activists?

Look at the posts over the last 3 to 4 weeks... you will see that my posts
really are just a tiny part of the bandwidth, with some posting over 150
messages in the same time as I post about 24. Some use different names to
cover up their obsession, but their attitude and phrases give them away.


Oh I see that Scotland Yard has been moved to Birmingham LOL.


As I say, selective vision and memory.


right so shut up already brummy



What was that you said about "angry" posts?
I would consider the above to show anger and despair... desperate to silence
any voices that show you for what you are.


No. I love hearing from upset brummys.


Why don't you take some of your own advice?

How about the "George" character, try telling him to "shut up already".
That would be something, being told to shut up by his own socko.


And so your chain is endlessly yanked.....

Landshark September 8th 03 06:04 AM


"Alan Strawinski" wrote in message
. 3.44...
"Landshark" . wrote in
m:

Enjoy trolling, I'm going out for a motorcycle ride, lot better
than you can
do..............


Hey, say a prayer for your local Buell-powered neighboor while you're out
riding! I can't ride until my bike gets out of the shop, probably today or
tommorow.

--

Alan Strawinski


Prayer said. It was absolutely perfect
weather for riding, pity your riding isn't
done yet.

Landshark


--
The happy people are those who are producing something;
the bored people are those who are consuming much and
producing nothing.



Landshark September 8th 03 02:47 PM


"Landshark" . wrote in message
om...

"Alan Strawinski" wrote in message
. 3.44...
"Landshark" . wrote in
m:

Enjoy trolling, I'm going out for a motorcycle ride, lot better
than you can
do..............


Hey, say a prayer for your local Buell-powered neighboor while you're out
riding! I can't ride until my bike gets out of the shop, probably today or
tommorow.

--

Alan Strawinski


Prayer said. It was absolutely perfect
weather for riding, pity your riding isn't
done yet.


OOpppps, bad English, meant
to say ride.

Landshark


--
"I believe it was Fredrick the Great:
he who defends everything defends
nothing."



Brainbuster September 9th 03 06:59 AM

Landshark wrote in message
. ..

Do a search of "Dick******" on google, refined to only rec.radio.cb,
you'll see by the results that George uses that term in
some 90% of the posts listed.



My very angelic looking 7 year old daughter has just picked up a new insult
to use at people...
Dickweed.

My 11 year old Son - who is quite tall for his age and built like a
tank - will not get involved in fights, yet my daughter - who is rather
small for her age and lightweight - will punch someone's lights out
just for looking at her the wrong way.

It seems that she has given children as old as my Son some serious
lip, and even the odd beating. They don't mess with her, and the
teachers at school just see her as a quiet little angel.
If only they knew.


Regards,

Peter.





Alan Strawinski September 10th 03 01:59 PM

"Brainbuster" wrote in
:

Landshark wrote in message
. ..

Do a search of "Dick******" on google, refined to only
rec.radio.cb,
you'll see by the results that George uses that term in
some 90% of the posts listed.



My very angelic looking 7 year old daughter has just picked up a new
insult to use at people...
Dickweed.


To the best of my knowledge, that started with "Beavis and Butthead". I
could be wrong. I recall first hearing 'dickweed' about the same time that
I discovered the cartoon. Either the cartoon took an existing insult and
made it popular, or Mike Judd conjured up a new one. Who knows?

There were a few others, including dill hole and ass munch. When Mike Judd
made "Office Space" (one of my all time favorite movies, BTW) he introduced
the world to "Ass clown". Heh.

"What is wrong with Michael Bolton? There is nothing wrong with that name"

"There WAS nothing wrong with that name, until that no-talent ass clown
started winning grammy's".


Blame it all on Mike Judd, I guess.


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