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Galaxyelc October 6th 03 12:09 AM

NEWSGROUP GONE TO HELL
 
What a mess this board has become,used to get good information here,you guys
can have it!!!

[email protected] October 6th 03 12:39 AM

On 05 Oct 2003 23:09:10 GMT, (Galaxyelc) wrote:

What a mess this board has become,used to get good information here,you guys
can have it!!!


It may look that way but consider this. 95% of the disrupters in
this group are composed of REGECTED amateur radio operators.

They have realized that no one on the amateur radio newsgroups,
or amateur radio bands, will give them the time of day. They can't
bring themselves to deal with this reality and CB is their scapegoat.
They hide their problem by creating a diversionary problem with a
CB newsgroup, or CB radio in general. When in reality the problems
real source is their OWN inability to socialize in a civilized and
productive manner.



Miles October 6th 03 01:14 AM



Galaxyelc wrote:

What a mess this board has become,used to get good information here,you guys
can have it!!!


Yep. Unbelievable the amount of trash talk going on. If they're gonna
trash talk at least put some intelligent wit into it for some good laughs.


'Doc October 6th 03 01:41 AM



Galaxyelc,
I agree! It's amazing, when you block the people causing,
or egging the trouble on, there's only 4 or 5 ligitimate posts
a week. That's a shame...
'Doc

jim October 6th 03 01:50 AM



Miles wrote:


Galaxyelc wrote:

What a mess this board has become,used to get good information
here,you guys
can have it!!!



Yep. Unbelievable the amount of trash talk going on. If they're gonna
trash talk at least put some intelligent wit into it for some good laughs.


this ng has been attracting flames for years. agreed there use to be
some good tech discussions but people like b. eitner, a powers, sean et
al saw what this was and found their points of views only attracted
frequency cops. the freq cops may disagree but they have, in their
misguided attempts, done more to stifle "Citizens Band' radio
proliferation by saying what should not be done instead of how can we
help. hey george, dougie and your cadre what have you brought to the
table beside homo related posts???????????????


Frank Gilliland October 6th 03 04:04 AM

In , jim wrote:

.... the freq cops may disagree but they have, in their
misguided attempts, done more to stifle "Citizens Band' radio
proliferation by saying what should not be done instead of how can we
help.


That's just a load of hogwash. Eitner, Toll, and the rest of the voodoo-techies
have done nothing but set the state of radio technology back nearly a century,
redeveloped it using very little education, and created a whole lot of RF
mythology to explain what their lack of education can't. What "RF cops" have
done is to let people know that watts are not nearly as important as mode,
antenna efficiency, receive noise, etc; that a Class C amp isn't linear, but
makes a good splatter-box; that the length of your coax is important only if you
have a grounding problem; that "Bird watts" is a term without a definition; that
'swang' and overmodulation cause harmonics, wasting RF power by sending it out
on the wrong frequency; that overmodulation also distorts audio by making it
louder but less intelligible; that distortion from dirty amps can cause RFI in
all kinds of stuff, including cordless phones, home stereos, hospital equipment,
emergency communications, and even automotive electronic systems.... do I need
to continue?

hey george, dougie and your cadre what have you brought to the
table beside homo related posts???????????????


Why don't you put the same question to Hypocrite Landshark, Dickhed Cranium, gw,
etc, etc? There are trolls on both sides, and I'll bet that most of them swing
both ways under different identities just to stir up trouble.






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Citizens For A Keyclown Free Environment October 6th 03 01:29 PM

jim wrote in message ...
Miles wrote:


Galaxyelc wrote:

What a mess this board has become,used to get good information
here,you guys
can have it!!!



Yep. Unbelievable the amount of trash talk going on. If they're gonna
trash talk at least put some intelligent wit into it for some good laughs.


this ng has been attracting flames for years. agreed there use to be
some good tech discussions but people like b. eitner, a powers, sean et
al saw what this was and found their points of views only attracted
frequency cops. the freq cops may disagree but they have, in their
misguided attempts, done more to stifle "Citizens Band' radio
proliferation by saying what should not be done instead of how can we
help. hey george, dougie and your cadre what have you brought to the
table beside homo related posts???????????????



Shut up you cum eating faggot.

Citizens For A Keyclown Free Environment October 6th 03 01:30 PM

wrote in message . ..
On 05 Oct 2003 23:09:10 GMT,
(Galaxyelc) wrote:

What a mess this board has become,used to get good information here,you guys
can have it!!!


It may look that way but consider this. 95% of the disrupters in
this group are composed of REGECTED amateur radio operators.

They have realized that no one on the amateur radio newsgroups,
or amateur radio bands, will give them the time of day. They can't
bring themselves to deal with this reality and CB is their scapegoat.
They hide their problem by creating a diversionary problem with a
CB newsgroup, or CB radio in general. When in reality the problems
real source is their OWN inability to socialize in a civilized and
productive manner.


Shut up you cum eating faggot.

Twistedhed October 6th 03 02:17 PM

From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
In , jim wrote:
.... the freq cops may disagree but they have, in their misguided
attempts, done more to stifle "Citizens Band' radio proliferation by
saying what should not be done instead of how can we help.
_
That's just a load of hogwash. Eitner, Toll, and the rest of the
voodoo-techies have done nothing but set the state of radio technology
back nearly a century, redeveloped it using very little education, and
created a whole lot of RF mythology to explain what their lack of
education can't. What "RF cops" have done is to let people know that
watts are not nearly as important as mode, antenna efficiency, receive
noise, etc; that a Class C amp isn't linear,

(snip)


__

That's a load of hogwash. What "RF cops" have done, is call people
names, lie, and make all sorts of things up about the FCC making busts
to the official observer program making busts and having NAL's issued by
the FCC for their efforts. And get this,,those involved with such
programs and "emergency communications" are some of the largest lying
lids on this group when it comes to cb, only they need shown their lies,
as they don't all admit to their repeated lying as you were forced to
admit.
Skip was absolutely outstanding this past weekend. International DX on
eleven meterall weekend long and I KNOW there was plenty of power being
run on the bands..from the 35 division to,,ah,I don't wanna start your
week out on your clubbed, ,,er, wrong foot. If you can't handle such
public topics without something unbalanced in your psyche rendering you
incapable, perhaps you should do away with yourself...LOL. Just glancing
at your posts illustrates your inner anger responsible for your
inability to hold yourself together. Poor, excitable boy.


Radioman October 6th 03 04:16 PM

Skip was absolutely outstanding this past weekend. International DX on
eleven meterall weekend long and I KNOW there was plenty of power being



All I have heard are Mexicans. Not one drop of english unless it
came from a trucker using AM on one of the four sideband channels.

Auctions croak here October 6th 03 06:35 PM

(Twistedhed) wrote in message ...
From:
(Frank Gilliland)
In , jim wrote:
... the freq cops may disagree but they have, in their misguided
attempts, done more to stifle "Citizens Band' radio proliferation by
saying what should not be done instead of how can we help.

That's just a load of hogwash. Eitner, Toll, and the rest of the
voodoo-techies have done nothing but set the state of radio technology
back nearly a century, redeveloped it using very little education, and
created a whole lot of RF mythology to explain what their lack of
education can't. What "RF cops" have done is to let people know that
watts are not nearly as important as mode, antenna efficiency, receive
noise, etc; that a Class C amp isn't linear,

(snip)




That's a load of hogwash. What "RF cops" have done, is call people
names, lie, and make all sorts of things up about the FCC making busts
to the official observer program making busts and having NAL's issued by
the FCC for their efforts. And get this,,those involved with such
programs and "emergency communications" are some of the largest lying
lids on this group when it comes to cb, only they need shown their lies,
as they don't all admit to their repeated lying as you were forced to
admit.
Skip was absolutely outstanding this past weekend. International DX on
eleven meterall weekend long and I KNOW there was plenty of power being
run on the bands..from the 35 division to,,ah,I don't wanna start your
week out on your clubbed, ,,er, wrong foot. If you can't handle such
public topics without something unbalanced in your psyche rendering you
incapable, perhaps you should do away with yourself...LOL. Just glancing
at your posts illustrates your inner anger responsible for your
inability to hold yourself together. Poor, excitable boy.


Go suck a dick, you cum slurping piece of faggot ****

Steveo October 6th 03 07:25 PM

(Auctions croak here) wrote:
Go suck a dick, you cum slurping piece of faggot ****

Let me be the first to congratulate you on your new group, dogie.

alt.dogie.is.an.idiot is where you should always post.

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jim October 7th 03 12:41 AM



Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote:


.... the freq cops may disagree but they have, in their
misguided attempts, done more to stifle "Citizens Band' radio
proliferation by saying what should not be done instead of how can we
help.



That's just a load of hogwash. Eitner, Toll, and the rest of the voodoo-techies
have done nothing but set the state of radio technology back nearly a century,
redeveloped it using very little education, and created a whole lot of RF
mythology to explain what their lack of education can't. What "RF cops" have
done is to let people know that watts are not nearly as important as mode,
antenna efficiency, receive noise, etc; that a Class C amp isn't linear, but
makes a good splatter-box; that the length of your coax is important only if you
have a grounding problem; that "Bird watts" is a term without a definition; that
'swang' and overmodulation cause harmonics, wasting RF power by sending it out
on the wrong frequency; that overmodulation also distorts audio by making it
louder but less intelligible; that distortion from dirty amps can cause RFI in
all kinds of stuff, including cordless phones, home stereos, hospital equipment,
emergency communications, and even automotive electronic systems.... do I need
to continue?


actually yes frank. your points are well received by those who have to
wade through the crap that permeates this board. just because you
disagree with the above named 'voodo techs' at least you were exercising
what this place should be about.


hey george, dougie and your cadre what have you brought to the
table beside homo related posts???????????????



Why don't you put the same question to Hypocrite Landshark, Dickhed Cranium, gw,
etc, etc? There are trolls on both sides, and I'll bet that most of them swing
both ways under different identities just to stir up trouble.

why do you propogate the nonsense by name calling. thought you were
affiliated with a school. is this what you impress upon your students if
indeed you are an instructor/teacher/mentor?










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Richard Cranium October 7th 03 01:54 AM

(Citizens For A Keyclown Free Environment) wrote in message . com...
jim wrote in message ...
Miles wrote:


Galaxyelc wrote:

What a mess this board has become,used to get good information
here,you guys
can have it!!!


Yep. Unbelievable the amount of trash talk going on. If they're gonna
trash talk at least put some intelligent wit into it for some good laughs.


this ng has been attracting flames for years. agreed there use to be
some good tech discussions but people like b. eitner, a powers, sean et
al saw what this was and found their points of views only attracted
frequency cops. the freq cops may disagree but they have, in their
misguided attempts, done more to stifle "Citizens Band' radio
proliferation by saying what should not be done instead of how can we
help. hey george, dougie and your cadre what have you brought to the
table beside homo related posts???????????????



Shut up you cum eating faggot.


And another truly intelligent response from DouGay Adairierre N8WWM,
in Toledo, Ohio. He can never post anything but lame sexual crap
because that's all he's interested in. Too bad this known repeater
jammer has a ham license!

Frank Gilliland October 7th 03 09:09 AM

In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:

snip
Why don't you put the same question to Hypocrite Landshark, Dickhed Cranium, gw,
etc, etc? There are trolls on both sides, and I'll bet that most of them swing
both ways under different identities just to stir up trouble.

why do you propogate the nonsense by name calling.


What does it matter which name I use for someone that posts anonymously?
It doesn't.

thought you were
affiliated with a school.


Quite a few years ago....

is this what you impress upon your students if
indeed you are an instructor/teacher/mentor?


My students all knew my name, and I knew all of their names. And there were a
few things I constantly reinforced:

1. Think for yourself. In your post you stated the opinion that techs like Toll
and Eitner left because of pressure from the "frequency cops". Is that -your-
opinion, or is it someone else's opinion with which you agree?

2. Think logically. You have been reading the newsgroup for a while, and by now
you should have seen that I have been involved in plenty of legal discussions.
Does that make me a "frequency cop"? Well, you should have also noticed that I
have taken part in many technical discussions, some of which dealt with the
quality of amps -- IOW, I have provided info on how CBers can tell a good amp
from a bad amp. If I was a "frequency cop", why would I do that?

3. Verify the facts. The facts are that CBers in this newgroup talk about CB,
and the rest are trolls. They are not keyclowns, they are not AKC, they are not
freebanders or frequency cops. They are trolls. As for the voodoo-techs, they
left not because of opposition to their legal position, but because they were
publically spanked for spewing their ridiculous techno-babble.

4. Never assume. When you agree with someone's opinion without verifying the
facts and logic supporting that opinion, you are assuming that someone else has
already done so. Many times (if not most of the time) that is not the case. And
it's NEVER the case with Twistedhed's opinions.

5. Safety.






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Frank Gilliland October 7th 03 09:10 AM

In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

From:
(Frank*Gilliland)
In , jim wrote:
... the freq cops may disagree but they have, in their misguided
attempts, done more to stifle "Citizens Band' radio proliferation by
saying what should not be done instead of how can we help.
_
That's just a load of hogwash. Eitner, Toll, and the rest of the
voodoo-techies have done nothing but set the state of radio technology
back nearly a century, redeveloped it using very little education, and
created a whole lot of RF mythology to explain what their lack of
education can't. What "RF cops" have done is to let people know that
watts are not nearly as important as mode, antenna efficiency, receive
noise, etc; that a Class C amp isn't linear,

(snip)


I suppose that you are still going to whine if I snip -your- posts, right?

__

That's a load of hogwash. What "RF cops" have done, is call people
names, lie, and make all sorts of things up about the FCC making busts
to the official observer program making busts and having NAL's issued by
the FCC for their efforts. And get this,,those involved with such
programs and "emergency communications" are some of the largest lying
lids on this group when it comes to cb, only they need shown their lies,
as they don't all admit to their repeated lying as you were forced to
admit.


Wow, you really have issues with the hammies, don't you? Maybe you shouldn't
renew your own license when it expires! And it kinda makes me want to get one
even more!!!

Skip was absolutely outstanding this past weekend.


I'm sure he was. He hasn't posted much lately, so when you see him again why
don't you ask him why sequenced relays are "bad news". Or maybe you could get
him to describe his "larger picture" explanation in a little more technical
detail. After all, he wasn't driven off the group because of his technical
incompetence, but because of "frequency cops", right?

International DX on
eleven meterall weekend long and I KNOW there was plenty of power being
run on the bands..from the 35 division to,,ah,I don't wanna start your
week out on your clubbed, ,,er, wrong foot. If you can't handle such
public topics without something unbalanced in your psyche rendering you
incapable, perhaps you should do away with yourself...LOL. Just glancing
at your posts illustrates your inner anger responsible for your
inability to hold yourself together. Poor, excitable boy.


You're tripping on 'shrooms again, Twist.





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Citizens For A Keyclown Free Environment October 7th 03 01:40 PM

(Richard Cranium) wrote in message . com...
(Citizens For A Keyclown Free Environment) wrote in message . com...
jim wrote in message ...
Miles wrote:


Galaxyelc wrote:

What a mess this board has become,used to get good information
here,you guys
can have it!!!


Yep. Unbelievable the amount of trash talk going on. If they're gonna
trash talk at least put some intelligent wit into it for some good laughs.


this ng has been attracting flames for years. agreed there use to be
some good tech discussions but people like b. eitner, a powers, sean et
al saw what this was and found their points of views only attracted
frequency cops. the freq cops may disagree but they have, in their
misguided attempts, done more to stifle "Citizens Band' radio
proliferation by saying what should not be done instead of how can we
help. hey george, dougie and your cadre what have you brought to the
table beside homo related posts???????????????



Shut up you cum eating faggot.


And another truly intelligent response from DouGay Adairierre N8WWM,
in Toledo, Ohio. He can never post anything but lame sexual crap
because that's all he's interested in. Too bad this known repeater
jammer has a ham license!


Shut up you cum eating faggot.

Citizens For A Keyclown Free Environment October 7th 03 01:45 PM

Steveo wrote in message ...
(Auctions croak here) wrote:
Go suck a dick, you cum slurping piece of faggot ****

Let me be the first to congratulate you on your new group, dogie.

alt.dogie.is.an.idiot is where you should always post.


Let me be the first to congratulate you on your new ISP. Now, shut up
you cum eating faggot.

jim October 7th 03 11:09 PM



Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:


snip

Why don't you put the same question to Hypocrite Landshark, Dickhed Cranium, gw,
etc, etc? There are trolls on both sides, and I'll bet that most of them swing
both ways under different identities just to stir up trouble.


why do you propogate the nonsense by name calling.



What does it matter which name I use for someone that posts anonymously?
It doesn't.


thought you were
affiliated with a school.



Quite a few years ago....


is this what you impress upon your students if
indeed you are an instructor/teacher/mentor?



My students all knew my name, and I knew all of their names. And there were a
few things I constantly reinforced:

1. Think for yourself. In your post you stated the opinion that techs like Toll
and Eitner left because of pressure from the "frequency cops". Is that -your-
opinion, or is it someone else's opinion with which you agree?


more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap that
was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do you
recall her posts?


2. Think logically. You have been reading the newsgroup for a while, and by now
you should have seen that I have been involved in plenty of legal discussions.
Does that make me a "frequency cop"? Well, you should have also noticed that I
have taken part in many technical discussions, some of which dealt with the
quality of amps -- IOW, I have provided info on how CBers can tell a good amp
from a bad amp. If I was a "frequency cop", why would I do that?


can't argue about you posting helpful bits. its the twisty wars that
makes one wonder...

3. Verify the facts. The facts are that CBers in this newgroup talk about CB,
and the rest are trolls. They are not keyclowns, they are not AKC, they are not
freebanders or frequency cops. They are trolls. As for the voodoo-techs, they
left not because of opposition to their legal position, but because they were
publically spanked for spewing their ridiculous techno-babble.


publically spanked is a matter of conjecture here. see 1 above.


4. Never assume. When you agree with someone's opinion without verifying the
facts and logic supporting that opinion, you are assuming that someone else has
already done so. Many times (if not most of the time) that is not the case. And
it's NEVER the case with Twistedhed's opinions.

ignore him just as some people ignore the hateful homo posts.

5. Safety.

agreed






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Smell My ass October 7th 03 11:24 PM


"jim" wrote in message
...

more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap that
was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do you
recall her posts?


She was a him, or a shim rather



Steveo October 7th 03 11:26 PM

(Citizens For A Keyclown Free Environment) wrote:
Steveo wrote in message
...
(Auctions croak here) wrote:
Go suck a dick, you cum slurping piece of faggot ****

Let me be the first to congratulate you on your new group, dogie.

alt.dogie.is.an.idiot is where you should always post.


Let me be the first to congratulate you on your new ISP. Now, shut up
you cum eating faggot.

Wrong again, porko. I still have the same isp I've had for years.

BTW, I created this NG just for you. ( you're special)

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Steveo October 7th 03 11:33 PM

"Smell My ass" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...

more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap
that was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do
you recall her posts?


She was a him, or a shim rather

Butt yore a smelly ass. (according to your sig file)

Are you a ham operator like dogie and kevin?

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Smell My ass October 8th 03 02:38 AM


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
"Smell My ass" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...

more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap
that was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers.

do
you recall her posts?


She was a him, or a shim rather

Butt yore a smelly ass. (according to your sig file)

Are you a ham operator like dogie and kevin?


What kind is that?



Steveo October 8th 03 02:51 AM

"Smell My ass" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
"Smell My ass" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...

more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap
that was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor
powers.

do
you recall her posts?

She was a him, or a shim rather

Butt yore a smelly ass. (according to your sig file)

Are you a ham operator like dogie and kevin?


What kind is that?

The kind that would name himself, -smell my ass-.

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Frank Gilliland October 8th 03 02:53 AM

In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:

snip
1. Think for yourself. In your post you stated the opinion that techs like Toll
and Eitner left because of pressure from the "frequency cops". Is that -your-
opinion, or is it someone else's opinion with which you agree?


more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap that
was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do you
recall her posts?


....uh, Jim, did you ever look at the name? And that person left 2-1/2 years
before my first post. Regardless, there are several people that have left
because of the crap, people from BOTH sides of the legal issue. And like I said
before, most of the crap in here comes from the trolls; that is, unless you
consider rational discussions of legal issues to be part of the 'crap'.


2. Think logically. You have been reading the newsgroup for a while, and by now
you should have seen that I have been involved in plenty of legal discussions.
Does that make me a "frequency cop"? Well, you should have also noticed that I
have taken part in many technical discussions, some of which dealt with the
quality of amps -- IOW, I have provided info on how CBers can tell a good amp
from a bad amp. If I was a "frequency cop", why would I do that?


can't argue about you posting helpful bits. its the twisty wars that
makes one wonder...


It shouldn't. If you want to solve a problem you must address the source of the
problem. In case you haven't noticed, Twisty is the focal point of most of the
crap. He has been a major source of the problems here, including the forging,
name-calling, threats, unrestrained profanity and general mayhem. Chances are
that he is also one or more of the trolls causing all the trouble, and might
even be the person posing as N8WWM under a deliberately poor disguise. Either
way, ignoring him doesn't work -- been there, done that, got the crummy T-shirt
and coffee mug.

3. Verify the facts. The facts are that CBers in this newgroup talk about CB,
and the rest are trolls. They are not keyclowns, they are not AKC, they are not
freebanders or frequency cops. They are trolls. As for the voodoo-techs, they
left not because of opposition to their legal position, but because they were
publically spanked for spewing their ridiculous techno-babble.


publically spanked is a matter of conjecture here. see 1 above.


There should be no doubt as to the reason for their absence. When their
psuedo-technical theories were contradicted with authoritative references and
simple logic, they left. One by one they were discredited, each according to
their own particular incompetence. And it's no coincidence that just as soon as
their RF-voodoo was exposed they disappeared. Most have tried to return at least
once, but were unable to support their technical mumbo-jumbo with facts, and
quickly departed once again. No, they didn't leave because of the 'crap' -- they
left because they had publically humiliated themselves with their own ignorance.


4. Never assume. When you agree with someone's opinion without verifying the
facts and logic supporting that opinion, you are assuming that someone else has
already done so. Many times (if not most of the time) that is not the case. And
it's NEVER the case with Twistedhed's opinions.

ignore him just as some people ignore the hateful homo posts.

5. Safety.

agreed






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Smell My Finger October 8th 03 02:57 AM


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
"Smell My ass" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
"Smell My ass" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...

more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general

crap
that was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor
powers.

do
you recall her posts?

She was a him, or a shim rather

Butt yore a smelly ass. (according to your sig file)

Are you a ham operator like dogie and kevin?


What kind is that?

The kind that would name himself, -smell my ass-.


any better



Landshark October 8th 03 04:44 AM


"jim" wrote in message ...


Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:


snip

Why don't you put the same question to Hypocrite Landshark, Dickhed Cranium, gw,
etc, etc? There are trolls on both sides, and I'll bet that most of them swing
both ways under different identities just to stir up trouble.


why do you propogate the nonsense by name calling.



What does it matter which name I use for someone that posts anonymously?
It doesn't.


thought you were
affiliated with a school.



Quite a few years ago....


is this what you impress upon your students if
indeed you are an instructor/teacher/mentor?



My students all knew my name, and I knew all of their names. And there were a
few things I constantly reinforced:

1. Think for yourself. In your post you stated the opinion that techs like Toll
and Eitner left because of pressure from the "frequency cops". Is that -your-
opinion, or is it someone else's opinion with which you agree?


more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap that
was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do you
recall her posts?


2. Think logically. You have been reading the newsgroup for a while, and by now
you should have seen that I have been involved in plenty of legal discussions.
Does that make me a "frequency cop"? Well, you should have also noticed that I
have taken part in many technical discussions, some of which dealt with the
quality of amps -- IOW, I have provided info on how CBers can tell a good amp
from a bad amp. If I was a "frequency cop", why would I do that?


can't argue about you posting helpful bits. its the twisty wars that
makes one wonder...

3. Verify the facts. The facts are that CBers in this newgroup talk about CB,
and the rest are trolls. They are not keyclowns, they are not AKC, they are not
freebanders or frequency cops. They are trolls. As for the voodoo-techs, they
left not because of opposition to their legal position, but because they were
publically spanked for spewing their ridiculous techno-babble.


publically spanked is a matter of conjecture here. see 1 above.


4. Never assume. When you agree with someone's opinion without verifying the
facts and logic supporting that opinion, you are assuming that someone else has
already done so. Many times (if not most of the time) that is not the case. And
it's NEVER the case with Twistedhed's opinions.

ignore him just as some people ignore the hateful homo posts.

5. Safety.

agreed



I'll agree with Jim. Frank you are not
a dumb person, but sometimes I do
believe you let your ego get in the way.
What Jim has said is good sound
advice. You know as well as I that if
George stopped harassing people, Doug stopped his foul, vulgar posts more
cb talk would happen, legal and or illegal,
at least it would be radio talk. I'm getting
ready to install a larger alternator, radio,
antenna mount (that's the hard part, don't
want to cut or make any holes in the Bronco)
so I can get a vehicle back on the air.

Landshark


--
Any day riding, is better than
being a newsgroupie

73 Baja Stroppe Bronco
98 Buell S3 Thunderbolt
99 Ford F-150 Supercab 4X4 (antenna platform)



Frank Gilliland October 8th 03 04:53 AM

In , "Hypocrite Landshark"
wrote:


"jim" wrote in message ...


Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:

snip

Why don't you put the same question to Hypocrite Landshark, Dickhed Cranium, gw,
etc, etc? There are trolls on both sides, and I'll bet that most of them swing
both ways under different identities just to stir up trouble.


why do you propogate the nonsense by name calling.


What does it matter which name I use for someone that posts anonymously?
It doesn't.


thought you were
affiliated with a school.


Quite a few years ago....


is this what you impress upon your students if
indeed you are an instructor/teacher/mentor?


My students all knew my name, and I knew all of their names. And there were a
few things I constantly reinforced:

1. Think for yourself. In your post you stated the opinion that techs like Toll
and Eitner left because of pressure from the "frequency cops". Is that -your-
opinion, or is it someone else's opinion with which you agree?


more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap that
was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do you
recall her posts?


2. Think logically. You have been reading the newsgroup for a while, and by now
you should have seen that I have been involved in plenty of legal discussions.
Does that make me a "frequency cop"? Well, you should have also noticed that I
have taken part in many technical discussions, some of which dealt with the
quality of amps -- IOW, I have provided info on how CBers can tell a good amp
from a bad amp. If I was a "frequency cop", why would I do that?


can't argue about you posting helpful bits. its the twisty wars that
makes one wonder...

3. Verify the facts. The facts are that CBers in this newgroup talk about CB,
and the rest are trolls. They are not keyclowns, they are not AKC, they are not
freebanders or frequency cops. They are trolls. As for the voodoo-techs, they
left not because of opposition to their legal position, but because they were
publically spanked for spewing their ridiculous techno-babble.


publically spanked is a matter of conjecture here. see 1 above.


4. Never assume. When you agree with someone's opinion without verifying the
facts and logic supporting that opinion, you are assuming that someone else has
already done so. Many times (if not most of the time) that is not the case. And
it's NEVER the case with Twistedhed's opinions.

ignore him just as some people ignore the hateful homo posts.

5. Safety.

agreed



I'll agree with Jim. Frank you are not
a dumb person, but sometimes I do
believe you let your ego get in the way.


Nobody asked for your opinion.

What Jim has said is good sound
advice. You know as well as I that if
George stopped harassing people, Doug stopped his foul, vulgar posts more
cb talk would happen, legal and or illegal,
at least it would be radio talk.


It wouldn't hurt if you quit your incessant trolling for trolls.

I'm getting
ready to install a larger alternator, radio,
antenna mount (that's the hard part, don't
want to cut or make any holes in the Bronco)
so I can get a vehicle back on the air.


Your mother must be proud.

Hypocrite Landshark


Go away already.






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Twistedhed October 8th 03 12:10 PM

Frank Gilliland wrote:
It shouldn't. If you want to solve a problem you must address the source
of the problem. In case you haven't noticed, Twisty is the focal point
of most of the crap. He has been a major source of the problems here,
including the forging, name-calling, threats, unrestrained profanity and
general mayhem. Chances are that he is also one or more of the trolls
causing all the trouble, and might even be the person posing as N8WWM
under a deliberately poor disguise. Either way, ignoring him doesn't
work -- been there, done that, got the crummy T-shirt and coffee mug.
_
LOL. Issues, Frank,,you have issues, and not even Jim can help you.


Twistedhed October 8th 03 12:49 PM

From: (Radioman)
Skip was absolutely outstanding this past weekend. International DX on
eleven meterall weekend long and I KNOW there was plenty of power being
_
All I have heard are Mexicans. Not one drop of
english unless it came from a trucker using


AM on one of the four sideband channels.

__
Hmmm,,,,time to buy a beam? The gang is all here on the radio, tagging
daily.


Twistedhed October 8th 03 01:13 PM

From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
In , jim wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
snip
My students all knew my name, and I knew all


of their names. And there were a few things I


constantly reinforced:


1. Think for yourself.


_
There are countless posts by yourself where you come apart at the seams
for failing to change one's mind when they think for themself instead of
allowing you to self-appoint yourself and think for them. In fact, you
call many names when your are rebuked at such attempts.
_


2. Think logically.




Logic is not arrived at through lying, and as you have been caught and
forced to admit you not only lie, but do it on many occasions and will
continue to it in the future, you are the last person to qualify
anything another may say, do, or offer in this group.

_
You have been reading the newsgroup for a


while, and by now you should have seen that I
have been involved in plenty of legal


discussions. Does that make me a "frequency


cop"?


Well, you should have also noticed that I have


taken part in many technical discussions,


some of which dealt with the quality of amps --
IOW, I have provided info on how CBers can


tell a good amp from a bad amp. If I was a


"frequency cop", why would I do that?





But you called other hammies names for doing just what you described and
claimed they were "keyclowns" for doing so...LOL. Frustration level
reached monumental proportions when you reduce yourself to making up
words. Effective communication would not necessitate inventing new
words,,,that is done by children and those who suffer deficits in
expressing themselves properly and effectively.
_
3. Verify the facts.



LOL. You merely accuse, call names, get cornfused, becoem insultive and
personal and make up words when asked to produce.
_
The facts are that CBers in this newgroup talk
about CB, and the rest are trolls.


No, Frank,,,and the sooner you realize that your views are not the
majority nor the populars, the better off you will be, which is why you
will remain in a self-hatred type state all your life.
_
They are not keyclowns,



Frustration runs deep. Non-sensical words worked into your vocabulary on
such a regular basis has forced yourself to accept them as legitimate
English and effective communication in your lonely corner of the pit in
whcih you dwell...LOL.....this has really taken the toll on your
twisted, battered ego and psyche.

_
they are not AKC, they are not freebanders or


frequency cops. They are trolls.


_
Your view is in the minorty and of consequence only when replied to. It
is why you have been reduced to directing your posts by name,,,,if not,
you are ignored, inciting your uncontrollable rage and emotions to the
boiling point.
_

As for the voodoo-techs, they left not because


of opposition to their legal position, but


because they were publically spanked for


spewing their ridiculous techno-babble.



LOL...the only one's that were "spanked" were ones like yourself who
were reduced to spending extra cash to accesss this group via a separate
subscription-only newsfeed,,,,,,HAHAHHA!
_




. Never assume.



That's right,,your persona doesn't bother with assuming,,,you just lie.
_
When you agree with someone's opinion


without verifying the facts and logic supporting
that opinion, you are assuming that someone


else has already done so. Many times (if not


most of the time) that is not the case. And it's


NEVER the case with Twistedhed's opinions.


_
But it IS the case with me being the bane of your existence. Hell,
Frankie, that isn't only the ng's take on you, that's fact,,,,,no
assumptions needed. LOL.




5. Safety.

_
Coming from one who was forced to admit he lies freely and
frequently,,,,,,


Landshark October 8th 03 03:10 PM


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Frank Gilliland wrote:
It shouldn't. If you want to solve a problem you must address the source
of the problem. In case you haven't noticed, Twisty is the focal point
of most of the crap. He has been a major source of the problems here,
including the forging, name-calling, threats, unrestrained profanity and
general mayhem. Chances are that he is also one or more of the trolls
causing all the trouble, and might even be the person posing as N8WWM
under a deliberately poor disguise. Either way, ignoring him doesn't
work -- been there, done that, got the crummy T-shirt and coffee mug.
_
LOL. Issues, Frank,,you have issues, and not even Jim can help you.


I thought Jim said a pretty good
explanation. I thought I gave him a
good explanation, but alas he's still,
like a couple others, very obsessed
with this newsgroup. Mopar tried
to just have a cordial post with him
and Frank got snooty with him.
It's a shame really, he's not a
dumb person, a little confused maybe,
but not dumb.

Landshark


--
"I believe it was Fredrick the Great:
he who defends everything defends
nothing."




Twistedhed October 8th 03 05:47 PM

From: (Landshark)
"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Frank Gilliland wrote:
It shouldn't. If you want to solve a problem you must address the source
of the problem. In case you haven't noticed, Twisty is the focal point
of most of the crap. He has been a major source of the problems here,
including the forging, name-calling, threats, unrestrained profanity and
general mayhem. Chances are that he is also one or more of the trolls
causing all the trouble, and might even be the person posing as N8WWM
under a deliberately poor disguise. Either way, ignoring him doesn't
work -- been there, done that, got the crummy T-shirt and coffee mug.
_
LOL. Issues, Frank,,you have issues, and not even Jim can help you.
_=A0
=A0I thought Jim said a pretty good


explanation.

_
In addition to many others who have given him identical advice o'er the
years.
_


I thought I gave him a


good explanation, but alas he's still,


like a couple others, very obsessed


with this newsgroup. Mopar tried


to just have a cordial post with him


and Frank got snooty with him.


=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0It's a shame really, he's not a


dumb person, a little confused maybe,


but not dumb.

=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Landshark

_
Frank isn't dumb, he's hostile. And he lies. And he has power struggle
issues with himself. A host of plasterings of homosexually, perverted
posts throughout the group from n8 and company, yet Frank delusionally
leads himself to believe that *I* somehow am responsible for his
personal unhappiness and dilemmas that he projects upon others and
refers to as "their" problems..LOL...in this case, "their" being the
group-at-large. Note how I am *his* focal point, and in the next breath
he decides for the rest of the population that I am now their focal
point, as well.,,LOL. Sort of like Geo has done with you. Aaron's boys,
donchaknow g!
California been coming in loud and proud in the early AM's lately..from
around shakey ground
to the smoggy city of lost angels.
--






"I believe it was Fredrick the Great:
he who defends everything defends
nothing."
_
And it was Frank who said "I lied quite a few times."


jim October 8th 03 06:11 PM



Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:


snip

1. Think for yourself. In your post you stated the opinion that techs like Toll
and Eitner left because of pressure from the "frequency cops". Is that -your-
opinion, or is it someone else's opinion with which you agree?


more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap that
was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do you
recall her posts?



...uh, Jim, did you ever look at the name? And that person left 2-1/2 years
before my first post. Regardless, there are several people that have left
because of the crap, people from BOTH sides of the legal issue. And like I said
before, most of the crap in here comes from the trolls; that is, unless you
consider rational discussions of legal issues to be part of the 'crap'.

yes frank i know where you are going with the name. if i recall
correctly she was a broadcast engineer/hammie.






Frank Gilliland October 8th 03 11:54 PM

In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
It shouldn't. If you want to solve a problem you must address the source
of the problem. In case you haven't noticed, Twisty is the focal point
of most of the crap. He has been a major source of the problems here,
including the forging, name-calling, threats, unrestrained profanity and
general mayhem. Chances are that he is also one or more of the trolls
causing all the trouble, and might even be the person posing as N8WWM
under a deliberately poor disguise. Either way, ignoring him doesn't
work -- been there, done that, got the crummy T-shirt and coffee mug.
_
LOL. Issues, Frank,,you have issues, and not even Jim can help you.


Where did I ask for his help? I didn't. I don't need any help exposing you for
the lying troll you are. In fact, you do a fine job even without -my- help!






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Frank Gilliland October 8th 03 11:54 PM

In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

From:
(Frank*Gilliland)
In , jim wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
snip
My students all knew my name, and I knew all


of their names. And there were a few things I


constantly reinforced:


1. Think for yourself.


_
There are countless posts by yourself where you come apart at the seams
for failing to change one's mind when they think for themself instead of
allowing you to self-appoint yourself and think for them. In fact, you
call many names when your are rebuked at such attempts.
_


2. Think logically.




Logic is not arrived at through lying, and as you have been caught and
forced to admit you not only lie, but do it on many occasions and will
continue to it in the future, you are the last person to qualify
anything another may say, do, or offer in this group.

_
You have been reading the newsgroup for a


while, and by now you should have seen that I
have been involved in plenty of legal


discussions. Does that make me a "frequency


cop"?


Well, you should have also noticed that I have


taken part in many technical discussions,


some of which dealt with the quality of amps --
IOW, I have provided info on how CBers can


tell a good amp from a bad amp. If I was a


"frequency cop", why would I do that?





But you called other hammies names for doing just what you described and
claimed they were "keyclowns" for doing so...LOL. Frustration level
reached monumental proportions when you reduce yourself to making up
words. Effective communication would not necessitate inventing new
words,,,that is done by children and those who suffer deficits in
expressing themselves properly and effectively.
_
3. Verify the facts.



LOL. You merely accuse, call names, get cornfused, becoem insultive and
personal and make up words when asked to produce.
_
The facts are that CBers in this newgroup talk
about CB, and the rest are trolls.


No, Frank,,,and the sooner you realize that your views are not the
majority nor the populars, the better off you will be, which is why you
will remain in a self-hatred type state all your life.
_
They are not keyclowns,



Frustration runs deep. Non-sensical words worked into your vocabulary on
such a regular basis has forced yourself to accept them as legitimate
English and effective communication in your lonely corner of the pit in
whcih you dwell...LOL.....this has really taken the toll on your
twisted, battered ego and psyche.

_
they are not AKC, they are not freebanders or


frequency cops. They are trolls.


_
Your view is in the minorty and of consequence only when replied to. It
is why you have been reduced to directing your posts by name,,,,if not,
you are ignored, inciting your uncontrollable rage and emotions to the
boiling point.
_

As for the voodoo-techs, they left not because


of opposition to their legal position, but


because they were publically spanked for


spewing their ridiculous techno-babble.



LOL...the only one's that were "spanked" were ones like yourself who
were reduced to spending extra cash to accesss this group via a separate
subscription-only newsfeed,,,,,,HAHAHHA!
_




. Never assume.



That's right,,your persona doesn't bother with assuming,,,you just lie.
_
When you agree with someone's opinion


without verifying the facts and logic supporting
that opinion, you are assuming that someone


else has already done so. Many times (if not


most of the time) that is not the case. And it's


NEVER the case with Twistedhed's opinions.


_
But it IS the case with me being the bane of your existence. Hell,
Frankie, that isn't only the ng's take on you, that's fact,,,,,no
assumptions needed. LOL.




5. Safety.

_
Coming from one who was forced to admit he lies freely and
frequently,,,,,,


You're shooting blanks, Twist.






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Frank Gilliland October 9th 03 12:35 AM

In m, "Hypocrite Landshark"
wrote:


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Frank Gilliland wrote:
It shouldn't. If you want to solve a problem you must address the source
of the problem. In case you haven't noticed, Twisty is the focal point
of most of the crap. He has been a major source of the problems here,
including the forging, name-calling, threats, unrestrained profanity and
general mayhem. Chances are that he is also one or more of the trolls
causing all the trouble, and might even be the person posing as N8WWM
under a deliberately poor disguise. Either way, ignoring him doesn't
work -- been there, done that, got the crummy T-shirt and coffee mug.
_
LOL. Issues, Frank,,you have issues, and not even Jim can help you.


I thought Jim said a pretty good
explanation. I thought I gave him a
good explanation, but alas he's still,
like a couple others, very obsessed
with this newsgroup. Mopar tried
to just have a cordial post with him
and Frank got snooty with him.


Wrong. He mentioned that there were white-caps on the lake. What did he mean?
Hell, I don't know. He could have been talking about boating or fishing or the
weather, or even something abstract. In order to find out, I responded with a
simple, one-word request for clarification: "So?". If you perceived a "snooty"
inflection to my reply then it was added by you, Hypocrite Landshark, not me.

It's a shame really, he's not a
dumb person, a little confused maybe,
but not dumb.


The only person that got confused was you when you tried to read between the
lines. You can eliminate that confusion by limiting yourself to reading words
that are spelled out in letters, not in projections of your bitterness.

Hypocrite Landshark


Go play with your Bronco.





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Richard Cranium October 9th 03 12:48 AM

'Doc wrote in message ...
Galaxyelc,
I agree! It's amazing, when you block the people causing,
or egging the trouble on, there's only 4 or 5 ligitimate posts
a week. That's a shame...
'Doc


Just ignore the TROLLs behind the ham licenses and they'll go away
soon enough. That would include Georgie-girl Busch WA3MOJ, who never
answers any questions, and DouGay Adair N8WWM, who cannot answer any
questions but will post sexual BS because that's all he's capable of,
and Frankie-fag Gilliland, who thinks he is intelligent but can't even
get a ham license. The rest of us have posted good information when we
can.

Smell My Finger October 9th 03 02:19 AM


"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...

Just ignore the TROLLs behind the ham licenses and they'll go away
soon enough. That would include Georgie-girl Busch WA3MOJ, who never
answers any questions, and DouGay Adair N8WWM, who cannot answer any
questions but will post sexual BS because that's all he's capable of,
and Frankie-fag Gilliland, who thinks he is intelligent but can't even
get a ham license. The rest of us have posted good information when we
can.



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Are you kidding me dickie head cranium show me 2 posts in this group where
you give anyone good information. oh please haha my side is hurting you
TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!



Brainbuster October 9th 03 07:23 AM

Frank Gilliland wrote in message ...
In , jim wrote:

and I'll bet that most of them swing both ways under different
identities just to stir up trouble.



Assuming that you are just using the "swinging both ways" as a pun, I must
disagree only on a minor point.

I believe that there are some posting on both sides to stir up trouble...
but not "most". It only takes one or two doing that to really start things
off.

Those posting "gay" crap, when it has nothing to do with CB, are only
showing themselves to be trolls. They make the "pro-legal" issue look
stupid, make those who use legal CB look like school kids and drop-outs.
You make a good argument when you post technical reasons and ways to get the
most without resorting to power.



Brainbuster.





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