Lancerm
Who said anything about velocity factor?
'Doc

BuckEye,
But all antennas are 'matched', be they exactly a 1/4 wave
length long, or 75 feet long, or 1 inch long. I'm assuming
that you mean impedance matching, right? Impedance matching
has nothing to do with an antenna being resonant.
'Doc

BuckEye wrote:

Your lost as bad as last years Easter egg.

Go back to school.
Wherever you have gotten the antenna info apply it . Learn something, don't
just try to quote out of a book, any one can do that. Your very confused.
I need to get back to some serious work designing antennas.


Instead of doing serious, or not-so-serious antenna design,
you
might take a look at some of those books you imply we shouldn't
quote from, and apply what you've read. And you're wrong, not
every
one can do that, much less understand what they read (got a
mirror?).
There are some things that you can 'infer' from what you've
read, not
everything has to be spelled out in black and white. That
process is
the one you refer to as thinking... Have fun designing
antennas, I do.
'Doc

PS - Around here they say, "Don't know whether he's washing or
hanging
out.".

What the hell do you think I am saying.
This all started when some dumass said a antenna was electrically 1/4 wave
long, not 1/4 wave antenna. You either have a 1/4 wave antenna or you
don't. If its shorter, then its not a 1/4 wave antenna. In most cases it
loaded, and no more electrically a 1/4 wave long antenna.
How hard is this to understand. I think this comes from some adds that's
states it a helical loaded
1/4 wave antenna that is only 56" long which is bull . Just like some other
adds that claim their antenna is a 5/8 antenna wound on a fiberglass rod
only 5' tall now go figure, I guess some also believe this .




"'Doc" wrote in message ...


BuckEye,
But all antennas are 'matched', be they exactly a 1/4 wave
length long, or 75 feet long, or 1 inch long. I'm assuming
that you mean impedance matching, right? Impedance matching
has nothing to do with an antenna being resonant.
'Doc

Hrm.. ever stop to think that maybe the wire helically wound around
the shaft might be 1/4 wave long? That would make it a 1/4 wave
helically loaded antenna. Just because the physical length of the
antenna is less than 1/4 wave at the desired frequency doesn't mean
the antenna isn't.

Don't believe me? Try looking up "folded dipole" on the 'net..

-SSB

BuckEye wrote:

What the hell do you think I am saying.
This all started when some dumass said a antenna was electrically 1/4 wave
long, not 1/4 wave antenna. You either have a 1/4 wave antenna or you
don't. If its shorter, then its not a 1/4 wave antenna. In most cases it
loaded, and no more electrically a 1/4 wave long antenna.
How hard is this to understand. I think this comes from some adds that's
states it a helical loaded
1/4 wave antenna that is only 56" long which is bull . Just like some other
adds that claim their antenna is a 5/8 antenna wound on a fiberglass rod
only 5' tall now go figure, I guess some also believe this .




"'Doc" wrote in message ...


BuckEye,
But all antennas are 'matched', be they exactly a 1/4 wave
length long, or 75 feet long, or 1 inch long. I'm assuming
that you mean impedance matching, right? Impedance matching
has nothing to do with an antenna being resonant.
'Doc

"Steveo" wrote in message
...
"Landshark" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Lancer wrote:
It would be interesting to see the 102" fiberglass against the S/S
whip.

With trees?

Duh!!! shredded........................

Landshark

Shattered! sha-doobie

Rolling Stones, Black & Blue I
think.

Landshark


--
Hard things are put in our way,
not to stop us, but to call out our
courage and strength.

In rYlob.66399$Tr4.188400@attbi_s03, "BuckEye" wrote:

What the hell do you think I am saying.
This all started when some dumass said a antenna was electrically 1/4 wave
long, not 1/4 wave antenna. You either have a 1/4 wave antenna or you
don't. If its shorter, then its not a 1/4 wave antenna. In most cases it
loaded, and no more electrically a 1/4 wave long antenna.
How hard is this to understand. I think this comes from some adds that's
states it a helical loaded
1/4 wave antenna that is only 56" long which is bull . Just like some other
adds that claim their antenna is a 5/8 antenna wound on a fiberglass rod
only 5' tall now go figure, I guess some also believe this .

Gee, so you finally read a book and discovered that you were wrong. Fine. But
playing semantics in order to save face is a Twistedhedism.






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BuckEye,
Hi. 'Dumass' here. Like it or not, antennas can and are
classified and/or described by their 'electrical' length.
Electrical length and physical length don't have to be the
same and seldom are when speaking about 'loaded' antennas.
When you find your self in a situation where everyone else
seems to be wrong, and only you are right, it sometimes helps
to stop and re-evaluate your position. Is it mandatory that
you think about antennas the same way I do? Nope, sure isn't,
but it does help if you at least understand 'where' the other
person is coming from, or talking about. It always helps to
view things from a different perspective. When you don't, the
loss is yours...
'Doc

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:04:14 -0600, 'Doc wrote:



Lancerm
Who said anything about velocity factor?
'Doc



BuckEye did in this post:



Velocity factor IS importment when cutting a element to the proper
length.
Typically a antenna element can range from .91 to .99 of the true open
space
length.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:35:36 -0600, 'Doc wrote:



BuckEye,
Hi. 'Dumass' here. Like it or not, antennas can and are
classified and/or described by their 'electrical' length.
Electrical length and physical length don't have to be the
same and seldom are when speaking about 'loaded' antennas.
When you find your self in a situation where everyone else
seems to be wrong, and only you are right, it sometimes helps
to stop and re-evaluate your position. Is it mandatory that
you think about antennas the same way I do? Nope, sure isn't,
but it does help if you at least understand 'where' the other
person is coming from, or talking about. It always helps to
view things from a different perspective. When you don't, the
loss is yours...
'Doc

Doc;
I think he was calling me the dumbass, not you.
At first I just thought he didn't understand the theory that was being
posted here and wanted to learn. Hopefully he won't have the same
problems reading a book. Like you said his loss.