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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:01:15 -0600, Neil Down
wrote: Below are your posts inculding the words gay, cock swallower, etc you have made quite an impression under your new screen name other than that it is still the same gay ****... lol http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...r.web&start=30 &hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=75346dc4d85352e6dff08e9712ad5820% 40news.teranews.com&rnum=31 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...r.web&start=30 &hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=e0f5652f64d986a8092c57bfa418e029% 40news.teranews.com&rnum=32 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...r.web&start=20 &hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3a7cf648ff9e06445f06c886f369ecfe% 40news.teranews.com&rnum=26 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...r.web&start=10 &hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=8359dc0440380a5bf0faf3246f94feaa% 40news.teranews.com&rnum=18 Should we now list yours WA3MOJ? That list would take hours to read. |
Lancer wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:01:15 -0600, Neil Down wrote: Below are your posts inculding the words gay, cock swallower, etc you have made quite an impression under your new screen name other than that it is still the same gay ****... lol http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...r.web&start=30 &hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=75346dc4d85352e6dff08e9712ad5820% 40news.teranews.com&rnum=31 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...r.web&start=30 &hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=e0f5652f64d986a8092c57bfa418e029% 40news.teranews.com&rnum=32 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...r.web&start=20 &hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3a7cf648ff9e06445f06c886f369ecfe% 40news.teranews.com&rnum=26 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...r.web&start=10 &hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=8359dc0440380a5bf0faf3246f94feaa% 40news.teranews.com&rnum=18 Should we now list yours WA3MOJ? That list would take hours to read. Heh, which nym? |
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:01:15 -0600, Neil Down
wrote: lancer wrote in news:3fa9161e.8217185 : Exactly twsitedhed and company blow a gasket when you call them illegal or criminals. And you blow a gasket when you call Doug the same thing. I DON'T CALL dOUG ANYTHING QUIT SLOBBERING ON THE KEYBOARD. So I made a mistake and typed you instead of we, big deal. At least I know when my caps locks are ON. |
Steveo wrote:
Neil Down wrote: I DON'T CALL dOUG ANYTHING He must be your friend, you respond to anything about him. QUIT SLOBBERING ON THE KEYBOARD. Quit harassing CBer's. That's about all they are good for. |
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:27:51 -0600, Neil Down
wrote: Steveo wrote in news:20031104182715.587 : In the mean time, he flames rec.radio.cb. Calls people all kinds of filthy names, with mostly gay references. (wonder why the closet walkie talkie operator hasn't come out in the open yet). Now some jackass who claims to be an extra is defending him? BAH! Talk about a jackass you defend a blatant transexual, a liar, and several illegal federal criminals. Your a real saint huh? Now when has Steve defended you and Doug? |
JJ wrote:
Steveo wrote: Neil Down wrote: I DON'T CALL dOUG ANYTHING He must be your friend, you respond to anything about him. QUIT SLOBBERING ON THE KEYBOARD. Quit harassing CBer's. That's about all they are good for. That, and giving ham radio a bad example. Two bad apples don't spoil the whole bunch. ;) |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... Neil Down wrote: Steveo wrote in news:20031104182715.587 : In the mean time, he flames rec.radio.cb. Calls people all kinds of filthy names, with mostly gay references. (wonder why the closet walkie talkie operator hasn't come out in the open yet). Now some jackass who claims to be an extra is defending him? BAH! Talk about a jackass you defend a blatant transexual, a liar, and several illegal federal criminals. Your a real saint huh? WHO are these people? ($ to Jerry) LOL!!!!! He's a troll, nothing more, a whole lot less. Landshark -- You can stand tall without standing on someone. You can be a victor without having victims. |
jim wrote in message ... Brenda Ann wrote: "jim" wrote in message ... actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is that freebanding? The frequencies that the US govt. says you can are those specific frequencies that constitute the 40 standard CB channels. The distance away from the center of any channel is tightly regulated, and you can't be more than 0.005% away from that center (~1.3 KHz), which is actually pretty broad when compared to say, broadcast AM, which is only allowed a 20 Hz leeway). that is what the u.s. gov proclaims. my point is they have no say so outside territorial waters. whether or not the gov abides by itu standards on this matter is open. The fact is the US Govt HAS signed on with ITU and honors *most* treaties. better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or not? If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution, and by treaty. please point out the constitutional section you mentioned. Title 47, US Code and The Communications Act of 1934 voted upon by Congress. if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding there? Sure, but I doubt the British authorities would appreciate that! You would then be under the jurisdiction of whatever radio authority covers Bermuda. Aren't they a British colony? The UK Radio Authority is much more harsh than the FCC. Agreed. right, the RA is tough. easier to monitor 65+/- million than appr 300 million do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc says what americans can/cannot do? not likely.... WRT to "freebanding" within the US and its territories, all I can say is to go ahead and do it. If you get popped, you have only yourself to blame. J Actually, yes. The treaties for use of various frequencies are there to protect all the various countries that are signatories to them. The Canadians are pretty hard on pirates (though they also have some rules in place to give greater latitude on some bands than we do). I don't know what communications law is like in Mexico, but I imagine that they deal with people operating out of band/off channel too. treaties not withstanding have you heard 10 & 11 meters recently? the developing world is looking for the cheapest way to communicate with their expatriates (sp?) in the u.s. one way to do it is using a setup that after an initial outlay for equipment is basically free. their problem is propagation not the gov. |
(wonder why the closet
walkie talkie operator hasn't come out in the open yet). Because if you hide in the closet when you jam the repeater with your HT, no one can find you!!! |
Radioman wrote:
(wonder why the closet walkie talkie operator hasn't come out in the open yet). Because if you hide in the closet when you jam the repeater with your HT, no one can find you!!! Your dogie might.. |
In , jim wrote:
snip I should never have posted... neither one of you two are totally innocent. have to admit though the group has had some decent threads recently. still have the gay bashing which is as old as an 8080 processor... Hey, in the garage I've got two Apple IIE's, a CoCo 2, two Commodore 64's, a VIC-20, and my very first computer.... yes, an original TRS-80 complete with cassette deck and half-round printer! -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote: snip I should never have posted... neither one of you two are totally innocent. have to admit though the group has had some decent threads recently. still have the gay bashing which is as old as an 8080 processor... Hey, in the garage I've got two Apple IIE's, a CoCo 2, two Commodore 64's, a VIC-20, and my very first computer.... yes, an original TRS-80 complete with cassette deck and half-round printer! A - High Tech Washington Red Neck. HTWRN |
"Landshark" wrote in message m... Landshark: Are you the one who was knocking at our door last night, saying "Candygram" in a muffled voice when we asked who it was? Charles Brabham, N5PVL |
Please try to keep it in your pants, Rev Brabham. Beat your wife
lately? In article , charlesb says... "Landshark" wrote in message om... Landshark: Are you the one who was knocking at our door last night, saying "Candygram" in a muffled voice when we asked who it was? Charles Brabham, N5PVL |
In article , Neil Down says...
jim wrote in : Steveo wrote: Neil Down wrote: Has doug been fined? Ill answer for you a resounding NO! So by your reasoning, unless you're fined you're innocent. That's odd coming from the re.radio.cb legal police. What about all the keyclown name calling? No fine means innocent in your book$. So until you produce evidence of fines, that the regular posters in rec.radio.cb , have been charged with, please STFU. makes sense... to an ignoramous True. I come from a long line of ignoramous's and it makes perfect sense to me. |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... Frank Gilliland wrote: In , jim wrote: snip I should never have posted... neither one of you two are totally innocent. have to admit though the group has had some decent threads recently. still have the gay bashing which is as old as an 8080 processor... Hey, in the garage I've got two Apple IIE's, a CoCo 2, two Commodore 64's, a VIC-20, and my very first computer.... yes, an original TRS-80 complete with cassette deck and half-round printer! A - High Tech Washington Red Neck. HTWRN Maybe Smithsonian Northwest? Landshark -- Hard things are put in our way, not to stop us, but to call out our courage and strength. |
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message . .. jim wrote in message ... Brenda Ann wrote: "jim" wrote in message ... actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is that freebanding? The frequencies that the US govt. says you can are those specific frequencies that constitute the 40 standard CB channels. The distance away from the center of any channel is tightly regulated, and you can't be more than 0.005% away from that center (~1.3 KHz), which is actually pretty broad when compared to say, broadcast AM, which is only allowed a 20 Hz leeway). that is what the u.s. gov proclaims. my point is they have no say so outside territorial waters. whether or not the gov abides by itu standards on this matter is open. The fact is the US Govt HAS signed on with ITU and honors *most* treaties. better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or not? If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution, and by treaty. please point out the constitutional section you mentioned. Title 47, US Code and The Communications Act of 1934 voted upon by Congress. There is a major difference between Federal laws and the Constitution. The references that you cite are NOT sections of the Constitution. Please retake your civics and political science classes. |
Brenda Ann wrote in message ...
The UK Radio Authority is much more harsh than the FCC. Sorry, but I have to disagree. Even at the height of CB, when 100s of thousands of people were running illegal CB in one way or another, the yearly "bust" figures were just into double digits - it has remained in the 20s and 30s. Most illegal CBers get ignored, some get a "Please don't do that" verbal warning, some may get a written warning,. So, what do the very few big busts get... £1000s in fines? Prison? No... a couple of hundred pound fine if any - and the illegal equipment snatched. If the RA were "harsh", they would consider illegal CBers as "Pirates"... and give them the very large Pirate fine. Those using Amateur illegally would be hunted down like dogs and given the punisment available under UK law - prison. When nearly everyone was using illegal antennas, they changed the antenna rules to make those antennas legal. When CBers were illegally using the American frequencies, they legalised the band for CB use. When they wanted American CBs out of the hands of CBers, they made it legal for Amateurs to convert the sets to 10 Metre - so they would buy them from CBers, make them legal, and save the RA the bother of chasing people. If they were harsh, they would have put "No DX" and "no talking to foreigners" rules in place. They would ban the import and sales of the illegal CBs marked as "Amateur". They would ban the ownership or use of Amplifiers that work on CB. America does all those - The UK does none of them. I would say that our CB service has very few rules, and enforcement only as a last resort. A few years back, a group of people set themselves up as self-appointed CB police. They went around looking for CB antennas and CBers - sending a list to the RA, for them to catch the licence dodgers. You would think that the "bust" figure would have shot through the roof - but the RA couln't be arsed to do the chasing. They now plan to remove the licence next year - so reducing the amount of illegal CBers even further. Regards, Peter. |
jim wrote in message
... if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding there? What about just outside of American waters? I am not sure that it still exists but, for years, we had a Pirate radio station that was just outside of UK waters... the Gov. couldn't touch them. Regards, Peter. |
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Brainbuster wrote: jim wrote in message ... if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding there? What about just outside of American waters? I am not sure that it still exists but, for years, we had a Pirate radio station that was just outside of UK waters... the Gov. couldn't touch them. Regards, Peter. we had the same thing here off the coast of long island with a ship called the jessie or something along those lines. it was shut down by the fed gov because it broadcast within the territorial limit. it basically played beatles tunes with no commercials. low power you bet. was it interfering with commercial broadcasts? not with that power. if it aint taxed it must be illegal... |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message .com... "Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message . .. jim wrote in message ... Brenda Ann wrote: "jim" wrote in message ... actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is that freebanding? The frequencies that the US govt. says you can are those specific frequencies that constitute the 40 standard CB channels. The distance away from the center of any channel is tightly regulated, and you can't be more than 0.005% away from that center (~1.3 KHz), which is actually pretty broad when compared to say, broadcast AM, which is only allowed a 20 Hz leeway). that is what the u.s. gov proclaims. my point is they have no say so outside territorial waters. whether or not the gov abides by itu standards on this matter is open. The fact is the US Govt HAS signed on with ITU and honors *most* treaties. better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or not? If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution, and by treaty. please point out the constitutional section you mentioned. Title 47, US Code and The Communications Act of 1934 voted upon by Congress. There is a major difference between Federal laws and the Constitution. The references that you cite are NOT sections of the Constitution. I did NOT say they were! The question was asked by what right does the US government telling a citizen what can or not do WRT radio. I KNOW it is per Federal Regulations passed by Congress and not the Constitution per se. If a person violates regulations within the US and its territories, then they are subject to possible prosecution. And I passed Civics AND a whole bunch of tests regarding radio law both civilian and military, thank you very much. J Please retake your civics and political science classes. |
"joseph mcdavid" wrote in message ... jim wrote: wrote: "Twistedhed" wrote in message ... Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband. If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I, especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them? I've been a so-called "freebander" since the late sixties but rarely for DX. The primary reason I talked outside of allotted frequencies was for privacy or to contact a specific distant station I wouldn't normally hear on the allotted band. We used to run Ch. 16 -5khz down and 15A a RC Channel running slightly above stock power on 3-4 element directional and easily talk 75-100 miles. I spoke all over the world with better than 1000 confirmed QSL contacts from a slightly peaked Golden Eagle Mark III/IV running through a 4 beam element at 60 feet from Central NJ. actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is that freebanding? better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or not? if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding there? do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc says what americans can/cannot do? not likely.... Quick comment to Jim from above: Actually, they just might. Treaties are sometimes used as bargaining chips. If a problem arises such as radio interference, then an aggrieved country can take it up with the offending country. Where the US is concerned, it may be that a country that needs loans, etc. will agree to abate the RFI in exchange for said loans, grants, or other concessions. And of course, it can be taken up with ITU. just make it worse for every body next thing you know they'll require a digatal id on all transmitters or they'll be terrorist and arrested without due process. People don't realize that illegal activities *CAN* cause adverse actions such as the above. Sometimes it may hurt the innocent as well as the guilty. In 1978, during the peak of CB's popularity, CB amplifiers became one of the sought after "options" in many operators' stations. All of a sudden, every garage, it seems, was pumping out splatterboxes by the hundreds. FCC then passed a regulation that required that no amplifiers be built or imported into the US capable of operation between 24 and 30 MHZ. The manufacturer could provide the enabling modification upon proof of license. Who did that hurt? Not the illegal amp makers; they kept on sneaking their junk under the radar to the detriment of hams. Not a major thing to the hams, but it caused *some* inconvenience to the Amateurs who had to take time to make the mod. Who knows what "freebanding" could cause? Not me. I only know about some things I hear from time to time--like the transmitter fingerprinting mentioned, or, maybe, areturn to more aggressive enforcement, or amendments to the local enforcement law. I know only one thing; when enough people get annoyed, like the people being interferred with on 10/12 Meters, eventually something will be done. Sure, the people who "freeband" think their "hobby" is harmless and see no reason why they shouldn't be able to just pick up a mike and start talking anywhere, anytime, and with a bazillion watts. It boils down to training, discipline, and safety. Training teaches the discipline to know what and why to use a radio, and said discipline makes certain their operation causes no harm toothers (safety); it all goes hand in hand. Those regulations that seem to chafe "freebanders" are like fences; one can move from one boundary to the next, but the fence prevents the "cows" from getting into someone else's pasture. Finally, I mentioned that "freebanders" can see no harm in going above or below the 40 CB channels, or in between. It depends on whose cow is being gored. If it were legal for you to operate on 6620 MHZ USB (international avation HF band), how would you like to be aboard a flight that couldn't find its way because someone was chatting on the "channel"? What if the aircraft was experiencing mechanical trouble and couldn't talk to the company engineers for help? It used to be that people didn't 'dare' to "freeband" AND they had more civility and respect for others to do it. If the break in the fence isn't mended, the "freebanders" will breach the gap like a broken dam. Eventually, OTHER bands and frequencies will be violated (Hello? Is anyone here? I think I will occupy this "room" and sit a spell) and as each band is screwed up, the rightful users are stepped on, another band is "stolen", more illegals rush in, and so on. Think not? Well, who'd a-thunk it that 10 and 12 Meters would be violated with truckers beeping and squeaking their way along while the digital modes (per ITU convention) were interferred with? Jerry |
Jerry Oxendine wrote: "joseph mcdavid" wrote in message ... jim wrote: wrote: "Twistedhed" wrote in message ... Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband. If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I, especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them? I've been a so-called "freebander" since the late sixties but rarely for DX. The primary reason I talked outside of allotted frequencies was for privacy or to contact a specific distant station I wouldn't normally hear on the allotted band. We used to run Ch. 16 -5khz down and 15A a RC Channel running slightly above stock power on 3-4 element directional and easily talk 75-100 miles. I spoke all over the world with better than 1000 confirmed QSL contacts from a slightly peaked Golden Eagle Mark III/IV running through a 4 beam element at 60 feet from Central NJ. actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is that freebanding? better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or not? if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding there? do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc says what americans can/cannot do? not likely.... Quick comment to Jim from above: Actually, they just might. Treaties are sometimes used as bargaining chips. If a problem arises such as radio interference, then an aggrieved country can take it up with the offending country. Where the US is concerned, it may be that a country that needs loans, etc. will agree to abate the RFI in exchange for said loans, grants, or other concessions. And of course, it can be taken up with ITU. jerry you may be right with the treaties as I am not up on international law. point is if there are such agreements has anyone ever been prosecuted by their governing bodies or hell have any nations been notified by another that one of their citizens is causing harm? I dont know the answers but at this point it still won't stop people freebanding. Its human nature to nonconform especially concerning something as trivial as this. |
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"Citizens For A Keyclown-Free Newsgroup" wrote in message om... jim I dont know the Its human nature to nonconform especially concerning something as trivial as this. You are an assclown. And you are an assclown ranger. Really Doug, why don't you find a cause that matters? You spend your time here posting useless attacks and searching Google to find **** that matters to no one 'cept you. Why is it that you have no life? You think you bother folks here? All you really are is a punching bag for those of us that choose to reply to you, nothing more...nothing at all. You have no information in that is not available to anyone with Web access. Really man, with all your gay references and knowledge, think of the good you could do spouting all your information on some anti-aids or similar such website. Get a clue. |
Randy wrote: "Citizens For A Keyclown-Free Newsgroup" wrote in message om... jim I dont know the Its human nature to nonconform especially concerning something as trivial as this. You are an assclown. And you are an assclown ranger. Really Doug, why don't you find a cause that matters? You spend your time here posting useless attacks and searching Google to find **** that matters to no one 'cept you. Why is it that you have no life? You think you bother folks here? All you really are is a punching bag for those of us that choose to reply to you, nothing more...nothing at all. You have no information in that is not available to anyone with Web access. Really man, with all your gay references and knowledge, think of the good you could do spouting all your information on some anti-aids or similar such website. Get a clue. exactally............ |
JerrO wrote:
Sure, the people who "freeband" think their "hobby" is harmless and see no reason why they shouldn't be able to just pick up a mike and start talking anywhere, anytime, and with a bazillion watts. _ Jerry, my man, you are full of ****. Why are you talking this smack? Speaking falsely and of this type bull**** really takes away from your other knowledge, as you know this is untrue, yet you continue to propagate such bull**** for whatever reason. Gee, how the pseudo-elmers have fallen. You have informed me of several things I did not not realize concerning the MARS/CAPS (such as many, many hammies using it as an excuse to have their radios modded for cb) and a few things concerning mathematics as relating to certain harmonics. It's a shame how one can taint years of integrity with a single post. Problems with your posting host, Jer? |
"Twistedhed" wrote in message ... From: (Randy) "Citizens For A Keyclown-Free Newsgroup" wrote in message om... jim I dont know the Its human nature to nonconform especially concerning something as trivial as this. You are an assclown. _ And you are an assclown ranger. Really Doug, why don't you find a cause that matters? You spend your time here posting useless attacks and searching Google to find **** that matters to no one 'cept you. Why is it that you have no life? You think you bother folks here? All you really are is a punching bag for those of us that choose to reply to you, nothing more...nothing at all. You have no information in that is not available to anyone with Web access. Really man, with all your gay references and knowledge, think of the good you could do spouting all your information on some anti-aids or similar such website. Get a clue. _ He has no choice in the matter. His giant mouth was open begging to be fed. He was hooked line, sinker, bait, and leader and made to swallow the bobber a few years ago. It's not up to him when the line is cut..a greater power is at work here. Never thought of it that way, but you very well may be right. I haven't researched Tourette's Syndrome in the past, but I wonder..... |
Steveo wrote:
So until you produce evidence of fines, that the regular posters in rec.radio.cb have been charged with, please STFU. Still waiting. Care to see n8wwm's rain report again? |
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