Why We Freeband
 

Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?

Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same
analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only
outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying fo
r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us.


No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks
that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks
that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us.


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I agree, what's wrong with freebanding?

In article , Twistedhed says...

Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?

Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same
analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only
outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying fo
r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us.


No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks
that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks
that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us.


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And why does this not surprise me? From a licensed ham, that is supposed to
know the rules and regs. I rest my case.

Go ahead and rant and rave....you know you are wrong.

Better yet WWV, go ahead and operate there.

Dan/W4NTI

"N8WWM" wrote in message
...
I agree, what's wrong with freebanding?

In article , Twistedhed says...

Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?

Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same
analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only
outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying fo
r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us.


No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks
that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks
that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us.


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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...
And why does this not surprise me? From a licensed ham, that is supposed
to
know the rules and regs. I rest my case.

Go ahead and rant and rave....you know you are wrong.

Better yet WWV, go ahead and operate there.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan, you took the bait...hook, line, sinker, and boat.

"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?

I've been a so-called "freebander" since the late sixties but rarely for DX.
The primary reason I talked outside of allotted frequencies was for privacy
or to contact a specific distant station I wouldn't normally hear on the
allotted band. We used to run Ch. 16 -5khz down and 15A a RC Channel running
slightly above stock power on 3-4 element directional and easily talk 75-100
miles. I spoke all over the world with better than 1000 confirmed QSL
contacts from a slightly peaked Golden Eagle Mark III/IV running through a 4
beam element at 60 feet from Central NJ.

Twistedhed wrote:

Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?

Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same
analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only
outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying fo
r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us.


No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks
that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks
that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us.

You really are not very good at forgery, twit.

Twistedhed wrote in message ...

Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same
analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only
outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying fo
r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us.

There's a big difference here, Buckaroo, and that is firearms are
LEGAL in most places in the United States.

The ILLEGAL use of a firearm is a felony.

Your operating of a radio transmitter on unauthorized frequencies
is ILLEGAL...PERIOD. It's NOT a "freedom" thing.

No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks
that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks
that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us.

You're right..."...No rationalization is even needed..." It's
against the law for good reasons, the most significant being that you
have "stolen" those frequencies from other users of the spectrum who
are now forced to do thier business else where. That's expensive, and
sometimes it's dangerous.

If it were limited to 11 meters, it probably wouldn't be an
issue, but the "freebander blight" is spreading out to the Maritime
frequencies, both HF and VHF, military frequencies, and other business
users, among others.

I am persoanlly aware of numerous "interruptions" of traffic due
to some ignoramus trying to "break in" for a "signal report" on
military frequencies and Civil Air Patrol's frequencies.

Don't wrap yourself up in that "free spirit" crap. You're
breaking the law and disrupting the use of the spectrum.

Steve Robeson, K4YZ

Gotta be a forgery.

-SSB

N8WWM wrote:
I agree, what's wrong with freebanding?

"Randy" wrote in message
.. .

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...
And why does this not surprise me? From a licensed ham, that is
supposed
to
know the rules and regs. I rest my case.

Go ahead and rant and rave....you know you are wrong.

Better yet WWV, go ahead and operate there.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan, you took the bait...hook, line, sinker, and boat.



Say what you want. Nothing with the 'new hams' surprise me anymore.

Dan/W4NTI

wrote:
"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...

Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?


I've been a so-called "freebander" since the late sixties but rarely for DX.
The primary reason I talked outside of allotted frequencies was for privacy
or to contact a specific distant station I wouldn't normally hear on the
allotted band. We used to run Ch. 16 -5khz down and 15A a RC Channel running
slightly above stock power on 3-4 element directional and easily talk 75-100
miles. I spoke all over the world with better than 1000 confirmed QSL
contacts from a slightly peaked Golden Eagle Mark III/IV running through a 4
beam element at 60 feet from Central NJ.



actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can
then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is
that freebanding?
better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or
not? if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding
there? do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc
says what americans can/cannot do? not likely....

"jim" wrote in message
...



actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can
then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is
that freebanding?

The frequencies that the US govt. says you can are those specific
frequencies that constitute the 40 standard CB channels. The distance away
from the center of any channel is tightly regulated, and you can't be more
than 0.005% away from that center (~1.3 KHz), which is actually pretty broad
when compared to say, broadcast AM, which is only allowed a 20 Hz leeway).

better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or
not?

If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution,
and by treaty.

if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding
there?

You would then be under the jurisdiction of whatever radio authority covers
Bermuda. Aren't they a British colony? The UK Radio Authority is much more
harsh than the FCC.

do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc
says what americans can/cannot do? not likely....

Actually, yes. The treaties for use of various frequencies are there to
protect all the various countries that are signatories to them. The
Canadians are pretty hard on pirates (though they also have some rules in
place to give greater latitude on some bands than we do). I don't know what
communications law is like in Mexico, but I imagine that they deal with
people operating out of band/off channel too.

"jim" wrote in message
...


wrote:
"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...

Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?


I've been a so-called "freebander" since the late sixties but rarely for
DX.
The primary reason I talked outside of allotted frequencies was for
privacy
or to contact a specific distant station I wouldn't normally hear on the
allotted band. We used to run Ch. 16 -5khz down and 15A a RC Channel
running
slightly above stock power on 3-4 element directional and easily talk
75-100
miles. I spoke all over the world with better than 1000 confirmed QSL
contacts from a slightly peaked Golden Eagle Mark III/IV running through
a 4
beam element at 60 feet from Central NJ.



actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can
then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is
that freebanding?
better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or
not? if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding
there? do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc
says what americans can/cannot do? not likely....


There are international treaties also that regulate such things. So just
floating out to Bermuda doesn't help.

Brenda Ann wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...



actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can
then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is
that freebanding?


The frequencies that the US govt. says you can are those specific
frequencies that constitute the 40 standard CB channels. The distance away
from the center of any channel is tightly regulated, and you can't be more
than 0.005% away from that center (~1.3 KHz), which is actually pretty broad
when compared to say, broadcast AM, which is only allowed a 20 Hz leeway).


that is what the u.s. gov proclaims. my point is they have no say so
outside territorial waters. whether or not the gov abides by itu
standards on this matter is open.


better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or
not?


If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution,
and by treaty.


please point out the constitutional section you mentioned.

if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding

there?


You would then be under the jurisdiction of whatever radio authority covers
Bermuda. Aren't they a British colony? The UK Radio Authority is much more
harsh than the FCC.


right, the RA is tough. easier to monitor 65+/- million than appr 300
million

do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc

says what americans can/cannot do? not likely....


Actually, yes. The treaties for use of various frequencies are there to
protect all the various countries that are signatories to them. The
Canadians are pretty hard on pirates (though they also have some rules in
place to give greater latitude on some bands than we do). I don't know what
communications law is like in Mexico, but I imagine that they deal with
people operating out of band/off channel too.


treaties not withstanding have you heard 10 & 11 meters recently? the
developing world is looking for the cheapest way to communicate with
their expatriates (sp?) in the u.s. one way to do it is using a setup
that after an initial outlay for equipment is basically free. their
problem is propagation not the gov.

jim wrote:

wrote:
"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...

Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?


I've been a so-called "freebander" since the late sixties but rarely for DX.
The primary reason I talked outside of allotted frequencies was for privacy
or to contact a specific distant station I wouldn't normally hear on the
allotted band. We used to run Ch. 16 -5khz down and 15A a RC Channel running
slightly above stock power on 3-4 element directional and easily talk 75-100
miles. I spoke all over the world with better than 1000 confirmed QSL
contacts from a slightly peaked Golden Eagle Mark III/IV running through a 4
beam element at 60 feet from Central NJ.



actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can
then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is
that freebanding?
better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or
not? if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding
there? do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc
says what americans can/cannot do? not likely....

just make it worse for every body next thing you know
they'll require a digatal id on all transmitters or they'll be
terrorist and arrested without due process.

Forge, not from


"Twistedhed" wrote in message ...
Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?

Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same
analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only
outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying fo
r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us.


No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks
that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks
that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us.


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In , jim wrote:

snip
better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or
not?


If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution,
and by treaty.


please point out the constitutional section you mentioned.


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"Landshark" wrote:
Forge, not from



What are you Twistedheds yes man?


"Twistedhed" wrote in message ...
Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur
f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?

Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same
analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only
outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying
fo
r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us.


No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks
that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks
that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us.


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just make it worse for every body next thing you know
they'll require a digatal id on all transmitters or they'll be
terrorist and arrested without due process.

I take it you haven't heard of transmitter fingerprinting then?
http://www.motron.com/TransmitterID.html

Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote in message
. ..
Twistedhed wrote in message
...

Don't wrap yourself up in that "free spirit" crap. You're
breaking the law and disrupting the use of the spectrum.


They are also forging and muck stirring... that was not "Twistedhed" and it
did not come through WebTV as the person would have you think...


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These people are purposely forging and cross posting in an attempt
to start flame wars and Ham vs CB wars.
Sometimes they post messages against illegal use, other times they post
messages praising it - using different names and forges. It's just a
childish game.




Regards,

Peter.

From:
(Citizens=A0For=A0A=A0Keyclown-Free=A0Newsgroup)
"Landshark" wrote:
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Fo rge, not from


What are you Twistedheds yes man?
_
No,,,you are....don't cry, it's still your job.

In article , Citizens For A
Keyclown-Free Newsgroup says...

"Landshark" wrote:
Forge, not from



What are you Twistedheds yes man?


Why do people forge Twistedhed so much, are they jealous?



"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur
f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?

Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same
analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only
outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying
fo
r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us.


No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks
that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks
that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us.


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Rules are made to be broken, even the Rain Report can't stop me!


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=n8... le.com&rnum=8

N8WWM guilty of FCC violations. According to the FCC, N8WWM, Dog Adair
committed several violations over the air at the expense of the Toledo
Amateur Radio Club by utilizing their repeater to break the law. The
amateur club received a warning letter from the FCC concerning Adair's
violations and were told to take steps to make certain the violations
by Adair will not be repeated. Adair not only hurt the entire image of
amateur radio with his inexcusable behavior, but damaged the
reputation of yet another entity trying to further the good of amateur
radio. It's a shame when bad apples like these make it so clubs can't
even trust their own users to abide by the rules they were sworn to
uphold. Adair is also an infamous presence on the internet. A google
search of "N8WWM" reveals a peek into the world of the individual
identified as Adair. In addition to FCC violations, Adair has, in the
past, been accused of being a prolific spammer, breaking several
internet laws and violating several terms of service agreements with
internet providers.


In article . net, Dan/W4NTI
says...

And why does this not surprise me? From a licensed ham, that is supposed to
know the rules and regs. I rest my case.

Go ahead and rant and rave....you know you are wrong.

Better yet WWV, go ahead and operate there.

Dan/W4NTI

"N8WWM" wrote in message
...
I agree, what's wrong with freebanding?

In article , Twistedhed says...

Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they
operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f
requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband.
If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I,
especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them?

Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same
analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only
outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying fo
r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us.


No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks
that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks
that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us.


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"Brainbuster" wrote in message ...
Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote in message
. ..
Twistedhed wrote in message
...

Don't wrap yourself up in that "free spirit" crap. You're
breaking the law and disrupting the use of the spectrum.


They are also forging and muck stirring... that was not "Twistedhed" and it
did not come through WebTV as the person would have you think...

Twirted stirs his own muck. He wrote it and he can't retract it:

http://tinyurl.com/thi0

Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote:

snip

better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or
not?


If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution,
and by treaty.


please point out the constitutional section you mentioned.



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read the section you mentioned at the cornell website. it pertains to
the u.s. and its environs but no mention of people outside territorial
limits.
the world is a bigger place then what the u.s. dictates....

"jim" wrote in message
...


read the section you mentioned at the cornell website. it pertains to
the u.s. and its environs but no mention of people outside territorial
limits.
the world is a bigger place then what the u.s. dictates....

This is so, but you asked specifically what right the US government had to
set regulations, it was stated that if you were a US citizen, it was granted
by the Constitution, and by treaty.

Further, the ITU does have worldwide jurisdiction, and they are the ones who
write the treaties, and every country is a signatory.

Brenda Ann wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...



read the section you mentioned at the cornell website. it pertains to
the u.s. and its environs but no mention of people outside territorial
limits.
the world is a bigger place then what the u.s. dictates....


This is so, but you asked specifically what right the US government had to
set regulations, it was stated that if you were a US citizen, it was granted
by the Constitution, and by treaty.

we are reading the constitution differently.


Further, the ITU does have worldwide jurisdiction, and they are the ones who
write the treaties, and every country is a signatory.

the itu is good for somethings but when it comes to freebands they have
little or no enforcement capabilities.

In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote:

snip

better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or
not?


If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution,
and by treaty.


please point out the constitutional section you mentioned.



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read the section you mentioned at the cornell website. it pertains to
the u.s. and its environs but no mention of people outside territorial
limits.
the world is a bigger place then what the u.s. dictates....


I shouldn't have to quote this twice:


If you are a US citizen......


And again with emphasis added:


=IF= you are a =US=CITIZEN=......


If you are still confused, call Twistedhed's imaginary shrink.






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Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:

In , jim wrote:

snip

better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or
not?


If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution,
and by treaty.


please point out the constitutional section you mentioned.



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read the section you mentioned at the cornell website. it pertains to
the u.s. and its environs but no mention of people outside territorial
limits.
the world is a bigger place then what the u.s. dictates....



I shouldn't have to quote this twice:



If you are a US citizen......



And again with emphasis added:



=IF= you are a =US=CITIZEN=......



If you are still confused, call Twistedhed's imaginary shrink.






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why are you so hung up on twisty?

In , jim wrote:


why are you so hung up on twisty?


I have explained why many times, but I can explain it again if you -really- want
to know.....







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On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:48:10 -0600, Neil Down
wrote:

Steveo wrote in news:20031103174708.791
:

Neil Down wrote:
N8WWM wrote in :

Rules are made to be broken, even the Rain Report can't stop me!

That is pretty nice except that was nothing from the rain report



Bull****. N8WWM was on the Rain Report FCC Enforcement Log,


Yes he was his name was mentioned, yet the post I was referring to was
not from the rain report it was from twistedsac.



and he didn't get there from his good deeds.

wow do you worship the rain report? is it the bible of cb keyclowns?




Why are you an N8WWM apologist?

Why are you a RETARD? He never was charged or nothing was taken further,
now I suggest if you have some proof of any charges or fines eing levied
by all means post them.




Is that what it takes? You have to be fined or convicted? If thats
the case, why are you constantly bitching about some of the members of
the R.R.C.B group? Have they been fined? You and Doug are
hypocrites. He can jam repeaters, and thats ok, but let someone
discuss how to bias an amp and you go nuts over it.

From: (Brenda=A0Ann)
"jim" wrote in message
...
read the section you mentioned at the cornell website. it pertains to
the u.s. and its environs but no mention of people outside territorial
limits.
the world is a bigger place then what the u.s. dictates....
_
This is so, but you asked specifically what

right the US government had to set

regulations, it was stated that if you were a US
citizen, it was granted by the Constitution, and
by treaty.

Further, the ITU does have worldwide

jurisdiction, and they are the ones who write

the treaties, and every country is a signatory.
_
LOL..man, do you still have plenty to learn. "EVERY" country is NOT a
signatory. Shoot, you don't even know how many countries exist, (Nocodes
like yourself are inexperienced at HF and wouldn't have a clue
concerning such information) let alone conjure some story of how you
they ALL belong to the ITU and obey such..LOL!,,,If you had a clue, you
wouldn't have been reduced to hiding your shamed carcass and referring
to yourself as a female and seeking another access...LOL! Enjoy
yourself, as no one else does..haha!

From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
In , jim wrote:
why are you so hung up on twisty?

I have explained why many times,

_
LOL..you explain how I come to be he center of your universe? Hmmm,,no,
you never did, as several here have inquired as to what your major
malfunction is that causes you to act like I am your daddy and you a
step-child that needs daily discipline. That you feel you somehow
conveyed a plausible example to the masses concerning your daily
blunders and worship of me, is chalked up to your comprehension skills
(rather, lack of) and level of maturity. Compete absence of
communicative skill coupled with the foul mouth you have become known
for, really shows me,,,LOL. Now, be a good apologist and hurry and
explain your personal obsession of Unca Twist to the masses. Some (like
those posting via Kornet.net HAHAHHA) may not realize how touched you
are and needto see for themselves
_
but I can explain it again if you -really- want to

know.....

_
Actually,, your hang up concerning me is a monkey on your back, not
anyone elses. Excuses of why you feel so strongly towards myself are not
necessary. One needs only gently reminded of your object of love and
obsession, and no explanations are needed as to the position you find
yourself . Gee, Frank, it' a shame you are unable to see yourself as
others do. Perhaps you can cut a hole in your carpet and claim you saw
the "floor show". Tally-Ho, good buttie!

In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

From: (Frank*Gilliland)
In , jim wrote:
why are you so hung up on twisty?

I have explained why many times,

_
LOL..you explain how I come to be he center of your universe? Hmmm,,no,
you never did, as several here have inquired as to what your major
malfunction is that causes you to act like I am your daddy and you a
step-child that needs daily discipline. That you feel you somehow
conveyed a plausible example to the masses concerning your daily
blunders and worship of me, is chalked up to your comprehension skills
(rather, lack of) and level of maturity. Compete absence of
communicative skill coupled with the foul mouth you have become known
for, really shows me,,,LOL. Now, be a good apologist and hurry and
explain your personal obsession of Unca Twist to the masses. Some (like
those posting via Kornet.net HAHAHHA) may not realize how touched you
are and needto see for themselves
_
but I can explain it again if you -really- want to

know.....

_
Actually,, your hang up concerning me is a monkey on your back, not
anyone elses. Excuses of why you feel so strongly towards myself are not
necessary. One needs only gently reminded of your object of love and
obsession, and no explanations are needed as to the position you find
yourself . Gee, Frank, it' a shame you are unable to see yourself as
others do. Perhaps you can cut a hole in your carpet and claim you saw
the "floor show". Tally-Ho, good buttie!


There's your explanation, Jim! Any questions?





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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:48:09 -0600, Neil Down
wrote:

lancer wrote in
:

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:48:10 -0600, Neil Down
wrote:

Steveo wrote in
news:20031103174708.791 :

Neil Down wrote:
N8WWM wrote in :

Rules are made to be broken, even the Rain Report can't stop me!

That is pretty nice except that was nothing from the rain report



Bull****. N8WWM was on the Rain Report FCC Enforcement Log,


Yes he was his name was mentioned, yet the post I was referring to was
not from the rain report it was from twistedsac.



and he didn't get there from his good deeds.

Is that what it takes?



Is that what what takes?

Too be investigated by the F.C.C. for jamming a repeater. Are you
having trouble keeping up?

You have to be fined or convicted?


Exactly twsitedhed and company blow a gasket when you call them illegal
or criminals.

And you blow a gasket when you call Doug the same thing. Has
Twistedhed and company been mentioned in a R.A.I.N. report?
No, but Doug has.



If thats
the case, why are you constantly bitching about some of the members of
the R.R.C.B group?

Have they been fined?

Yes some have been. Has doug been fined? Ill answer for you a resounding
NO!

Which ones in R.R.C.B.?

Has Twisty? I'll answer for you, a resounding
NO!


You and Doug are hypocrites. He can jam repeaters, and thats ok, but
let someone discuss how to bias an amp and you go nuts over it.



Prove to me where it is said Doug Adair N8wwm jammed a repeater,it
doesn't that makes you a liar and a troll.

He most certainly was mentioned in a report that he was being
questioned over it.


Prove to the group where the FCC said he jammed repeaters, carefull your
slip is showing.

Your still a hypocrite, You throw a fit when someone even talks about
an amp, when Dioug has already proven he is quite capable of
operating illegal and being a criminal.

My slip is only showing in your gay mind.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:


From: (Frank Gilliland)
In , jim wrote:
why are you so hung up on twisty?


I have explained why many times,

_
LOL..you explain how I come to be he center of your universe? Hmmm,,no,
you never did, as several here have inquired as to what your major
malfunction is that causes you to act like I am your daddy and you a
step-child that needs daily discipline. That you feel you somehow
conveyed a plausible example to the masses concerning your daily
blunders and worship of me, is chalked up to your comprehension skills
(rather, lack of) and level of maturity. Compete absence of
communicative skill coupled with the foul mouth you have become known
for, really shows me,,,LOL. Now, be a good apologist and hurry and
explain your personal obsession of Unca Twist to the masses. Some (like
those posting via Kornet.net HAHAHHA) may not realize how touched you
are and needto see for themselves
_

but I can explain it again if you -really- want to

know.....

_
Actually,, your hang up concerning me is a monkey on your back, not
anyone elses. Excuses of why you feel so strongly towards myself are not
necessary. One needs only gently reminded of your object of love and
obsession, and no explanations are needed as to the position you find
yourself . Gee, Frank, it' a shame you are unable to see yourself as
others do. Perhaps you can cut a hole in your carpet and claim you saw
the "floor show". Tally-Ho, good buttie!



There's your explanation, Jim! Any questions?





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I should never have posted... neither one of you two are totally innocent.
have to admit though the group has had some decent threads recently.
still have the gay bashing which is as old as an 8080 processor...

lancer wrote:
Your still a hypocrite, You throw a fit when someone even talks about
an amp, when Dioug has already proven he is quite capable of
operating illegal and being a criminal.

My slip is only showing in your gay mind.

(N8WWM) Doug is a blowhard. I've asked him to meet me in his home town
numerous times, but he doesn't have enough sack to back up his
mouth... Years of this tripe!

In the mean time, he flames rec.radio.cb. Calls people all kinds
of filthy names, with mostly gay references. (wonder why the closet
walkie talkie operator hasn't come out in the open yet).

Now some jackass who claims to be an extra is defending him?

BAH!

Neil Down wrote:
Has doug been fined? Ill answer for you a resounding
NO!

So by your reasoning, unless you're fined you're innocent.

That's odd coming from the re.radio.cb legal police. What about
all the keyclown name calling? No fine means innocent in your book$.

So until you produce evidence of fines, that the regular posters in
rec.radio.cb , have been charged with, please STFU.

Steveo wrote:
Neil Down wrote:

Has doug been fined? Ill answer for you a resounding
NO!


So by your reasoning, unless you're fined you're innocent.

That's odd coming from the re.radio.cb legal police. What about
all the keyclown name calling? No fine means innocent in your book$.

So until you produce evidence of fines, that the regular posters in
rec.radio.cb , have been charged with, please STFU.

makes sense...

lancer wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:48:10 -0600, Neil Down
wrote:

Steveo wrote in news:20031103174708.791
:

Neil Down wrote:
N8WWM wrote in :

Rules are made to be broken, even the Rain Report can't stop me!

That is pretty nice except that was nothing from the rain report



Bull****. N8WWM was on the Rain Report FCC Enforcement Log,


Yes he was his name was mentioned, yet the post I was referring to was
not from the rain report it was from twistedsac.



and he didn't get there from his good deeds.

wow do you worship the rain report? is it the bible of cb keyclowns?




Why are you an N8WWM apologist?

Why are you a RETARD? He never was charged or nothing was taken
further, now I suggest if you have some proof of any charges or fines
eing levied by all means post them.




Is that what it takes? You have to be fined or convicted? If thats
the case, why are you constantly bitching about some of the members of
the R.R.C.B group? Have they been fined? You and Doug are
hypocrites. He can jam repeaters, and thats ok, but let someone
discuss how to bias an amp and you go nuts over it.

Guys like n8wwm are a wart/virus on the radio hobby.