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moistrous November 25th 03 02:02 AM

how many cb channels are there?
 
hi, i'm new to CB radio... How many channels are there? It looks as if
there are 40 channels, but i see some cb radios advertised that can go to
ch.80... what gives? Any website i visit says the legal frequency range is
from 26.965 to 27.405 MHz, and ch 40 IS 27.405 so it doesn't make sense to
have another 40 channels present. Help meeee!

- moistrous

Steveo November 25th 03 02:15 AM

moistrous wrote:
hi, i'm new to CB radio... How many channels are there? It looks as if
there are 40 channels, but i see some cb radios advertised that can go to
ch.80... what gives? Any website i visit says the legal frequency range
is from 26.965 to 27.405 MHz, and ch 40 IS 27.405 so it doesn't make
sense to have another 40 channels present. Help meeee!

- moistrous

Yore bait stinks.

Steveo November 25th 03 03:24 AM

moistrous wrote:
I missed all
the cool times, like before the WWW existed and when it was cool to
rollerblade and carry boomboxes.

Please leave.

--
The unofficial I-26 Construction Webpage:
http://users.vnet.net/lansford/a10/

moistrous November 25th 03 03:24 AM

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:08:54 +0000, Steveo wrote:

Crimson Tide wrote:
moistrous wrote in
g:

hi, i'm new to CB radio... How many channels are there? It looks as if
there are 40 channels, but i see some cb radios advertised that can go
to ch.80... what gives? Any website i visit says the legal frequency
range is from 26.965 to 27.405 MHz, and ch 40 IS 27.405 so it doesn't
make sense to have another 40 channels present. Help meeee!

- moistrous


Get off the cb radio son they went out in th 70's the rest that are left
look at this newsgroup, they are all one eyed gentic mutants, too much RF
too the brain . sell your radios and get a girlfriend.

Please don't listen to this blowhard, he answers every post with
multiple names.

Buy an HF rig and open it to 11 meters.



Sounds delicious. Now if only i knew what that meant...
I just bought a CB for fun so i can talk with my friends. Not having grown
up in the CB-happy era, it makes me sad to see such a cool technology not
being used. I wish everybody used them again. I missed all the cool times,
like before the WWW existed and when it was cool to rollerblade and carry
boomboxes.

moistrous November 25th 03 03:51 AM

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:24:08 +0000, Steveo wrote:

moistrous wrote:
I missed all
the cool times, like before the WWW existed and when it was cool to
rollerblade and carry boomboxes.

Please leave.


Waha. I'd rather stay, thanks. So anyway, 40 or 80 channels?

Steveo November 25th 03 04:02 AM

moistrous wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:24:08 +0000, Steveo wrote:

moistrous wrote:
I missed all
the cool times, like before the WWW existed and when it was cool to
rollerblade and carry boomboxes.

Please leave.


Waha. I'd rather stay, thanks. So anyway, 40 or 80 channels?

AM or SSB?

moistrous November 25th 03 04:19 AM

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:02:48 +0000, Steveo wrote:

AM or SSB?


Yes.
I don't know...AM i guess. What's SSB?

Steveo November 25th 03 04:19 AM

moistrous wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:02:48 +0000, Steveo wrote:

AM or SSB?


Yes.
I don't know...AM i guess. What's SSB?

Single Side Band. I'm done advising you now, your bait reeks.

moistrous November 25th 03 04:56 AM

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:19:58 +0000, Steveo wrote:

moistrous wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:02:48 +0000, Steveo wrote:

AM or SSB?


Yes.
I don't know...AM i guess. What's SSB?

Single Side Band. I'm done advising you now


Fair is fair; I have been asking lame questions... But my original
question still magically remains unresolved.
, your bait reeks.


I don't get it!


Steveo November 25th 03 05:04 AM

moistrous wrote:
I don't get it!

Exactly.

AntiKeyclown November 25th 03 06:19 AM

moistrous wrote in message rator.org...
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:24:08 +0000, Steveo wrote:

moistrous wrote:
I missed all
the cool times, like before the WWW existed and when it was cool to
rollerblade and carry boomboxes.

Please leave.


Waha. I'd rather stay, thanks. So anyway, 40 or 80 channels?


26.965-27.405. 4 watts AM, 12 watts pep SSB. Any other operation is illegal.

Brainbuster November 25th 03 09:08 AM

moistrous wrote in message ...
hi, i'm new to CB radio... How many channels are there? It looks as if
there are 40 channels, but i see some cb radios advertised that can go to
ch.80... what gives? Any website i visit says the legal frequency range is
from 26.965 to 27.405 MHz, and ch 40 IS 27.405 so it doesn't make sense to
have another 40 channels present. Help meeee!



Hi.


Don't mind the unhelpful responses... some people on this group seem to be
anti-CB while others are too scared to fall in a Troll trap.

In America, there are 40 *legal* channels. On these channels you may either
use AM or SSB.
As each channel can either hold one AM conversation or two SSB
conversations, this means that you could effectively have 80 SSB channels.
The frequencies covered are as you give above, and power is limited to
4Watts (plus 2Watts mod) for AM and 12Watts for SSB. As well as higher
power allowed, SSB is more efficient - giving you a much greater distance.

However, the 80 channel radios you have seen are more likely to be 40 legal
channels plus another 40 illegal ones. Any CB designed to cover illegal
channels is illegal to use - even if using it on legal channels.
It is up to you how you feel about the law, but you should be aware that the
punishment can be strict for those caught using illegal CBs.

Here in the UK, we have 80 channels, FM mode only. 80 channel sets were
made legal a few years back, but only those manufactured and approved as
such. Power in the UK is limited to 4Watts.

If you want more information, don't be afraid to ask and don't be frightened
off by the attitude of some idiots on this newsgroup - CBers are generally
friendly and helpful.


Regards,

Peter.




gw November 25th 03 01:01 PM

(AntiKeyclown) wrote in message . com...
moistrous wrote in message rator.org...
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:24:08 +0000, Steveo wrote:

moistrous wrote:
I missed all
the cool times, like before the WWW existed and when it was cool to
rollerblade and carry boomboxes.

Please leave.


Waha. I'd rather stay, thanks. So anyway, 40 or 80 channels?


26.965-27.405. 4 watts AM, 12 watts pep SSB. Any other operation is illegal.



no that is incorrect. citizen band radio freqs start at 26 mhz and
exend to 32 mhz with tons of channels to use...all he has to do is buy
the ten meter radio setup and he is in the game....

Twistedhed November 25th 03 07:59 PM

From: (moistrous)
hi, i'm new to CB radio... How many channels


are there?


40 on cb.

It looks as if there are 40 channels, but i see


some cb radios advertised that can go to


ch.80... what gives?



Do you have an example of such a cb and a specific website in mind? A cb
touted as having 80 channels? Highly doubtful, but since you have
specifically provided for the example, please now cite the webpage where
you saw this cb touted as 80 channel.


Any website i visit says the legal frequency


range is from 26.965 to 27.405 MHz, and ch


40 IS 27.405 so it doesn't make sense to have
another 40 channels present.


Help meeee!


- moistrous

_
Really? Again,, which websites have you visited?
Speed limits only go to 70 MPH in the US. According to your logic, it
makes no sense they go faster. Consider yourself helped, unless the
analogy is lost on you. No cb is manufactured for sale in the US with
more than 40 channels.


Twistedhed November 25th 03 08:02 PM

From: (moistrous)
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:19:58 +0000, Steveo wrote:
moistrous wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:02:48 +0000, Steveo wrote:
AM or SSB?
Yes.
I don't know...AM i guess. What's SSB?
Single Side Band. I'm done advising you now

Fair is fair; I have been asking lame


questions...


But my original


question still magically remains unresolved.


, your bait reeks.

I don't get it!


Sure, you "got" it,,the cancellation for noncompliance. (All that
matters.) This is your latest....LOL. As mopar pointed out, you can't
get away from the stench you emit!


moistrous November 25th 03 08:44 PM

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:59:03 -0500, Twistedhed wrote:

From: (moistrous)
hi, i'm new to CB radio... How many channels


are there?


40 on cb.

It looks as if there are 40 channels, but i see


some cb radios advertised that can go to


ch.80... what gives?



Do you have an example of such a cb and a specific website in mind? A cb
touted as having 80 channels? Highly doubtful, but since you have
specifically provided for the example, please now cite the webpage where
you saw this cb touted as 80 channel.


Any website i visit says the legal frequency


range is from 26.965 to 27.405 MHz, and ch


40 IS 27.405 so it doesn't make sense to have
another 40 channels present.


Help meeee!


- moistrous

_
Really? Again,, which websites have you visited?
Speed limits only go to 70 MPH in the US. According to your logic, it
makes no sense they go faster. Consider yourself helped, unless the
analogy is lost on you. No cb is manufactured for sale in the US with
more than 40 channels.


Ok, thank you. But my logic isn't flawed, i think you misinterpreted what
I said. If the forty channels consume every frequency in the legal range,
it _logically_ doesn't make sense to have more channels because they
would have to be on other frequencies outside the legal range... That's
all i meant and thought.

But now it's been cleared up... thanks.

p.s. i went to some websites that appeared to be written by well-informed
authors, i dunno, just ones i saw on google.

Twistedhed November 25th 03 08:46 PM

It was cleared up when you were asked to provide for your claim.


moistrous November 25th 03 10:58 PM

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:46:00 -0500, Twistedhed wrote:

It was cleared up when you were asked to provide for your claim.


yeah, no ****, it was in my immediate followup to that message when i said
it was clear. Does everyone in here run around with their cb antennas
shoved up their asses or something? Everyone is a ******* to everyone
else, an assumption based on the topic of EVERY message in this rotten
newsgroup.


Citizens For A Keyclown-Free Newsgroup November 25th 03 11:03 PM

moistrous WROTE IN:
.org
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:46:00 -0500, Twistedhed wrote:

It was cleared up when you were asked to provide for your claim.


yeah, no ****, it was in my immediate followup to that message
when i said
it was clear. Does everyone in here run around with their cb antennas
shoved up their asses or something? Everyone is a ******* to everyone
else, an assumption based on the topic of EVERY message
in this rotten newsgroup.


This is the fault of that paranoid fool that calls himself Twistedhed.
What he did to you he does to everyone. You are right, he has made
this ng a mess. If he left, things would be a lot better, but he says
he won't.

Twistedhed November 26th 03 12:08 AM

From: (moistrous)
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:46:00 -0500, Twistedhed wrote:
It was cleared up when you were asked to provide for your claim.

yeah, no ****, it was in my immediate followup


to that message when i said it was clear.



Not to anyone else it's not, really,,,since you have yet to provide it.

Does everyone in here run around with their


cb antennas shoved up their asses or


something?



Not all those come in here cursing. Ring N8WWM through google for a
sampling of what happened to the last person that came in here swinging
at ghosts and cursing about all he couldn't handle or didn't like.

Everyone is a ******* to everyone else, an


assumption based on the topic of EVERY


message in this rotten newsgroup.



Not at all. You just gotta weed out the scumbags. When you learn how to
do so, you will find the jewels to be mined are never an easy
task,,,something that bothers the lessers,,,such as those that have the
need for profanity in much of their posts.


Twistedhed November 26th 03 12:13 AM

http://acc.ohio.gov/dhearing.html

http://acc.ohio.gov/bdmn0401.html


Once again, N8WWM's blatant hypcocrisy concerning his values and speak
of felons and the law are shown to be absolute lies and bull****!
Happy Holidays to the hammies (in the clubs and otherwise) in the
BUCKEYE!
GOBBLE GOBBLE!


Jerry Oxendine November 26th 03 02:38 AM


"gw" wrote in message
om...
(AntiKeyclown) wrote in message

. com...
moistrous wrote in message

rator.org...
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:24:08 +0000, Steveo wrote:

moistrous wrote:
I missed all
the cool times, like before the WWW existed and when it was cool to
rollerblade and carry boomboxes.

Please leave.

Waha. I'd rather stay, thanks. So anyway, 40 or 80 channels?


26.965-27.405. 4 watts AM, 12 watts pep SSB. Any other operation is

illegal.


no that is incorrect. citizen band radio freqs start at 26 mhz and
exend to 32 mhz with tons of channels to use...all he has to do is buy
the ten meter radio setup and he is in the game....



............until he gets the letter that states "Evidence before
the Commission indicated that you have been operating
radio equipment on the 10 Meter band. Please be advised that such illegal
and can result in fines of up to
$10,000 and/or a year in jail. You are requested to call me right away at
717-338-**** to discuss this matter."

(I seem to recall a fellow called "Rabbit Ears" that is not
serving 8 years for doing that----among other things.


YeeHaaa, I love it! LOL!


J



Train November 26th 03 03:24 AM

Hey Twisty..................What am I missing on these pages?
Train

"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
http://acc.ohio.gov/dhearing.html

http://acc.ohio.gov/bdmn0401.html


Once again, N8WWM's blatant hypcocrisy concerning his values and speak
of felons and the law are shown to be absolute lies and bull****!
Happy Holidays to the hammies (in the clubs and otherwise) in the
BUCKEYE!
GOBBLE GOBBLE!




November 26th 03 03:51 AM


"Train" wrote in message ...
Hey Twisty..................What am I missing on these pages?
Train


Same here.

Landshark


--
Disclaimer:
This is a made up screen
nic & addy, I've been assured
by someone on this group, he
does not exist.



Landshark November 26th 03 03:57 AM


"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
...........until he gets the letter that states "Evidence before
the Commission indicated that you have been operating
radio equipment on the 10 Meter band. Please be advised that such illegal
and can result in fines of up to
$10,000 and/or a year in jail. You are requested to call me right away at
717-338-**** to discuss this matter."

(I seem to recall a fellow called "Rabbit Ears" that is not
serving 8 years for doing that----among other things.


YeeHaaa, I love it! LOL!


J


Yeah but Jerry he was warned warned, warned and
just ignored the warnings, big difference.
Otherwise, how's things going? Health ok? ready
for Thanksgiving?

Landshark



KAXN-9546 November 26th 03 04:27 AM

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:19:26 -0500, moistrous
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:02:48 +0000, Steveo wrote:

AM or SSB?


Yes.
I don't know...AM i guess. What's SSB?



There are 40 channels, AM only. The channels are assigned based on
the carrier frequency of an AM signal. There are also 2 sidebands per
channel.

Raymond Sirois KAXN-9546
SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS
607-733-5745
telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6000

Steveo November 26th 03 11:36 AM

"Train" wrote:
Hey Twisty..................What am I missing on these pages?
Train

Kathleen R. Lee, CPA...dogies girlfriend got popped for filing
bogus tax papers..that's a felony.

"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
http://acc.ohio.gov/dhearing.html

http://acc.ohio.gov/bdmn0401.html


Once again, N8WWM's blatant hypcocrisy concerning his values and speak
of felons and the law are shown to be absolute lies and bull****!
Happy Holidays to the hammies (in the clubs and otherwise) in the
BUCKEYE!
GOBBLE GOBBLE!


Steveo November 26th 03 11:37 AM

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote:
(I seem to recall a fellow called "Rabbit Ears" that is not

serving 8 years for doing that----among other things.

YeeHaaa, I love it! LOL!

J

You're happy that he's not serving 8 years?

Twistedhed November 26th 03 12:28 PM

From: (Train)
Hey Twisty..................What am I missing on these pages?
Train

_
According to the link, Kathleen R Lee is a convicted felon for tax
fraud. Ring KC8QJP through QRZ,,same addy as Dogie.


Steveo November 26th 03 01:12 PM

Dave Hall wrote:
moistrous wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:46:00 -0500, Twistedhed wrote:

It was cleared up when you were asked to provide for your claim.


yeah, no ****, it was in my immediate followup to that message when i
said it was clear. Does everyone in here run around with their cb
antennas shoved up their asses or something? Everyone is a ******* to
everyone else, an assumption based on the topic of EVERY message in
this rotten newsgroup.


This is the result of rampant paranoia, fostered by the suspicion that
anyone asking a question such as yours, is automatically a troll and
just looking for trouble.

Especially when it appears to be 'moisterous's' first post ever
to Usenet, in this or any group.

Dave Hall November 26th 03 01:17 PM

moistrous wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:46:00 -0500, Twistedhed wrote:

It was cleared up when you were asked to provide for your claim.


yeah, no ****, it was in my immediate followup to that message when i said
it was clear. Does everyone in here run around with their cb antennas
shoved up their asses or something? Everyone is a ******* to everyone
else, an assumption based on the topic of EVERY message in this rotten
newsgroup.



This is the result of rampant paranoia, fostered by the suspicion that
anyone asking a question such as yours, is automatically a troll and
just looking for trouble.

Sometimes this is the case, but if certain people appear abrasive, it's
because they are.

Legal class "D" CB radios manufactured for the U.S. market are limited
by law to 40 channels (Except older pre-1977 radios which were 23
channels).

There are radios made for the export market which have many more
channels modes and power. They are very real, and even manage to find
their way into the U.S. market (albeit illegally).

There is also questionable marketing literature which incorrectly refers
to AM/SSB radios as having "120 channels", when in fact it's only 40
channels with 3 modes available on each channel. It's not the same
thing.

Dave
"Sandbagger"


moistrous November 26th 03 04:02 PM

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:12:38 +0000, Steveo wrote:

Especially when it appears to be 'moisterous's' first post ever
to Usenet, in this or any group.


That's Mr. Moistrous to you. So i've never posted here before,
that's not grounds for being a punk to me.


moistrous November 26th 03 04:05 PM

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:02:26 -0500, moistrous wrote:

hi, i'm new to CB radio... How many channels are there? It looks as if
there are 40 channels, but i see some cb radios advertised that can go to
ch.80... what gives? Any website i visit says the legal frequency range is
from 26.965 to 27.405 MHz, and ch 40 IS 27.405 so it doesn't make sense to
have another 40 channels present. Help meeee!

- moistrous


This message is a "thank you" that goes out to the noble few who _did_
answer my question in a helpful manner. You know who you are, Thank you!

Steveo November 26th 03 05:02 PM

moistrous wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:12:38 +0000, Steveo wrote:

Especially when it appears to be 'moisterous's' first post ever
to Usenet, in this or any group.


That's Mr. Moistrous to you. So i've never posted here before,
that's not grounds for being a punk to me.

**** off, blowhard. You've never posted in any group with
that nym.

Lancer November 26th 03 06:16 PM

Steveo wrote:

moistrous wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:12:38 +0000, Steveo wrote:

Especially when it appears to be 'moisterous's' first post ever
to Usenet, in this or any group.


That's Mr. Moistrous to you. So i've never posted here before,
that's not grounds for being a punk to me.

**** off, blowhard. You've never posted in any group with
that nym.


Did you notice how Willard "Blake" Williams used the word punk?
Must be a New Hampshire thing.

Twistedhed November 26th 03 06:59 PM

From: (moistrous)
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:12:38 +0000, Steveo wrote:
Especially when it appears to be 'moisterous's' first post ever to
Usenet, in this or any group.

That's Mr. Moistrous to you.


Not among these pages, shall that ever be the case.

So i've never posted here before, that's not


grounds for being a punk to me.


You posted with a bogus email address and you came out cursing. My guess
is you're a troll that was likely relegated to a new supernews account
who just had their last ISP canned for noncompliance of TOS, and my
thoughts are usually 99% dead-on accurate, thanks to all my friends in
this group who lend tons of support and play some of the lessers like
cheap fiddles. If I'm wrong, you'll be around for awhile and my
apologies will go out to you,,,but,,,I don't think I am....there is no
reason to post without a valid email address unless you're A) looking to
start something or B) hiding.
Spam is not a valid defense, as many have creatively figured out a
manner in which to display their email addy while fooling the spam
bots.,,,you're not one of them.


Twistedhed November 26th 03 07:03 PM

From: (moistrous)
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:02:26 -0500, moistrous wrote:
hi, i'm new to CB radio... How many channels are there? It looks as if
there are 40 channels, but i see some cb radios advertised that can go
to ch.80... what gives? Any website i visit says the legal frequency
range is from 26.965 to 27.405 MHz, and ch 40 IS 27.405 so it doesn't
make sense to have another 40 channels present. Help meeee!
- moistrous
This message is a "thank you" that goes out to the noble few who _did_
answer my question in a helpful manner. You know who you are, Thank you!
_
This message is to point out a few things (Its what I do best). The last
several times Dave Hall posted, he was answering a "hit-and-run" newbie.
A "hit-and-run newbie" , for those who do not know, is a shill, usually
when one is talking to themself,,,it's usually a new phony posting name,
obscured in the same juvenile manner (fake domain ALWAYS added)
concocted by the poster, that never appears again. In all 3 of his last
exchanges, said newbie came back and vehemnetly thanked Davie for
"coming to his aid". LOL.....that polishing of the ego gets 'em
everytime! This room ain't that big...LOL!



Twistedhed November 26th 03 07:04 PM

From: (Lancer)
Steveo wrote:
moistrous wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:12:38 +0000, Steveo wrote:
Especially when it appears to be 'moisterous's' first post ever to
Usenet, in this or any group.
That's Mr. Moistrous to you. So i've never posted here before, that's
not grounds for being a punk to me.
**** off, blowhard. You've never posted in any group with that nym.

Did you notice how Willard "Blake" Williams


used the word punk? Must be a New


Hampshire thing.

_
Not at all. Try Pa. This time, you're way off the mark.


Twistedhed November 26th 03 07:37 PM

From:
"Train" wrote:
Hey Twisty..................What am I missing on these pages?
Train
_
Mopar wrote:
Kathleen R. Lee, CPA...dogies girlfriend got


popped for filing bogus tax papers..that's a


felony.

"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
http://acc.ohio.gov/dhearing.html
http://acc.ohio.gov/bdmn0401.html
Once again, N8WWM's blatant hypcocrisy concerning his values and speak
of felons and the law are shown to be absolute lies and bull****! Happy
Holidays to the hammies (in the clubs and otherwise) in the BUCKEYE!
GOBBLE GOBBLE!
_
She's no CPA. The great state of Ohio yanked her license.
Update: Dogie is in the cb doghouse. Kath is going ape **** on Dogie and
demanded of him he leave this posting "nonsense" alone...hahhaha! (ears,
ears, everywhere) She may even be gone by now, if she has any sense,
unless he swore off usenet forever,,,,LOL. Imagine N8WWM being handed
that ultimatum,,,,hooohooo! No matter what he does, it's gonna be very
interesting in cb and hammie land in Ohio. Poor Dogie can't handle the
fame he chased for years. Northern Ohio hammies ( and there are a BUNCH
of them) are more than willing to assist when it comes to turning the
tables on trash who would jam their frequencies repeatedly then
vehemently deny all on usenet (exactly like his unprovoked, hostile and
vile behavior in here for the last several years). It goes without say,
the manner in which people post is more than likely the same manner in
which they conduct themselves on air. No wonder hammie radio is in
trouble.


Lancer November 26th 03 08:04 PM

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:04:51 -0500 (EST),
(Twistedhed) wrote:

From:
(Lancer)
Steveo wrote:
moistrous wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:12:38 +0000, Steveo wrote:
Especially when it appears to be 'moisterous's' first post ever to
Usenet, in this or any group.
That's Mr. Moistrous to you. So i've never posted here before, that's
not grounds for being a punk to me.
**** off, blowhard. You've never posted in any group with that nym.

Did you notice how Willard "Blake" Williams


used the word punk? Must be a New


Hampshire thing.

_
Not at all. Try Pa. This time, you're way off the mark.



Where do you see PA? look at the message ID.


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