READ BEFOR YOU ORDER FROM COPPER
 

THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_

BILL wrote:
THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_

before you bought the amp did you do any research to find out what
coppers warranty was?

jim wrote:
BILL wrote:
THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_

before you bought the amp did you do any research to find out what
coppers warranty was?

I've blasted transistors in mobile amps and only paid the shipping for
the repair.
Like you said Jim, read the label.

--
Flyin' Ryan Newman
http://www.ryan12newman.com/carspecs.htm

Steveo wrote:
jim wrote:

BILL wrote:

THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_

before you bought the amp did you do any research to find out what
coppers warranty was?


I've blasted transistors in mobile amps and only paid the shipping for
the repair.
Like you said Jim, read the label.


have to ask the guy what the amp manufacturer is.
i have dealt with copper years ago and never had a problem though their
catalog at the time was cheesy.

jim wrote:
Steveo wrote:
I've blasted transistors in mobile amps and only paid the shipping for
the repair.
Like you said Jim, read the label.


have to ask the guy what the amp manufacturer is.
i have dealt with copper years ago and never had a problem though their
catalog at the time was cheesy.

Seems to be more and more horror tales about their support. I dunno?

--
Flyin' Ryan Newman
http://www.ryan12newman.com/carspecs.htm

Steveo wrote:
jim wrote:

Steveo wrote:

I've blasted transistors in mobile amps and only paid the shipping for
the repair.
Like you said Jim, read the label.


have to ask the guy what the amp manufacturer is.
i have dealt with copper years ago and never had a problem though their
catalog at the time was cheesy.


Seems to be more and more horror tales about their support. I dunno?

i use aes for items now. coax, swr matchers, rotors etc. never had a
problem.

jim wrote:
Steveo wrote:
jim wrote:

Steveo wrote:

I've blasted transistors in mobile amps and only paid the shipping for
the repair.
Like you said Jim, read the label.


have to ask the guy what the amp manufacturer is.
i have dealt with copper years ago and never had a problem though their
catalog at the time was cheesy.


Seems to be more and more horror tales about their support. I dunno?

i use aes for items now. coax, swr matchers, rotors etc. never had a
problem.

I can drive to them, 30 or so miles.

--
Flyin' Ryan Newman
http://www.ryan12newman.com/carspecs.htm

4-5 watts am dead key like your radio puts out is too much for most of the amps
copper sells. your at fault, not them.

THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_

Steveo wrote:
jim wrote:

Steveo wrote:

jim wrote:


Steveo wrote:


I've blasted transistors in mobile amps and only paid the shipping for
the repair.
Like you said Jim, read the label.


have to ask the guy what the amp manufacturer is.
i have dealt with copper years ago and never had a problem though their
catalog at the time was cheesy.


Seems to be more and more horror tales about their support. I dunno?


i use aes for items now. coax, swr matchers, rotors etc. never had a
problem.


I can drive to them, 30 or so miles.


i can email 'em. 30 usec's or so hehehe. they are good, little pricey
but good.

jim wrote:
Steveo wrote:
jim wrote:

Steveo wrote:

jim wrote:


Steveo wrote:


I've blasted transistors in mobile amps and only paid the shipping
for the repair.
Like you said Jim, read the label.


have to ask the guy what the amp manufacturer is.
i have dealt with copper years ago and never had a problem though
their catalog at the time was cheesy.


Seems to be more and more horror tales about their support. I dunno?


i use aes for items now. coax, swr matchers, rotors etc. never had a
problem.


I can drive to them, 30 or so miles.


i can email 'em. 30 usec's or so hehehe. they are good, little pricey
but good.

I like to window shop there, sometimes you can pick up decent used
gear. Their web site sucks.

--
Flyin' Ryan Newman
http://www.ryan12newman.com/carspecs.htm

AstroDome3cx5000 wrote:
4-5 watts am dead key like your radio puts out is too much for most of the amps
copper sells. your at fault, not them.


THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET


buyer beware obviously but driving an amp with 4 watts stock and it
fries? if that is true then copper should make the caveat that only low
power is needed which brings up another scenario where the operator has
to turn it down. what a mess that would bring...

Steveo wrote:
jim wrote:

Steveo wrote:

jim wrote:


Steveo wrote:


jim wrote:



Steveo wrote:



I've blasted transistors in mobile amps and only paid the shipping
for the repair.
Like you said Jim, read the label.


have to ask the guy what the amp manufacturer is.
i have dealt with copper years ago and never had a problem though
their catalog at the time was cheesy.


Seems to be more and more horror tales about their support. I dunno?


i use aes for items now. coax, swr matchers, rotors etc. never had a
problem.


I can drive to them, 30 or so miles.


i can email 'em. 30 usec's or so hehehe. they are good, little pricey
but good.


I like to window shop there, sometimes you can pick up decent used
gear. Their web site sucks.


you know better than me on the used gear as i never go with that.
never tried their web site.
used consumerreports today to pick up a portable cd/mp3 player and a
wifi system...

jim wrote:
Steveo wrote:
jim wrote:

Steveo wrote:

jim wrote:


Steveo wrote:


jim wrote:



Steveo wrote:



I've blasted transistors in mobile amps and only paid the shipping
for the repair.
Like you said Jim, read the label.


have to ask the guy what the amp manufacturer is.
i have dealt with copper years ago and never had a problem though
their catalog at the time was cheesy.


Seems to be more and more horror tales about their support. I dunno?


i use aes for items now. coax, swr matchers, rotors etc. never had a
problem.


I can drive to them, 30 or so miles.


i can email 'em. 30 usec's or so hehehe. they are good, little pricey
but good.


I like to window shop there, sometimes you can pick up decent used
gear. Their web site sucks.


you know better than me on the used gear as i never go with that.
never tried their web site.
used consumerreports today to pick up a portable cd/mp3 player and a
wifi system...

That's cool, I fet first dibs tho..Gotta watch those used gear guys. ;)

At any rate, I rarely drive out there unless it's something sorta
special, it's a fun place to pipe dream too.

--
Flyin' Ryan Newman
http://www.ryan12newman.com/carspecs.htm

jim wrote:
AstroDome3cx5000 wrote:
4-5 watts am dead key like your radio puts out is too much for most of
the amps copper sells. your at fault, not them.


THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET

buyer beware obviously but driving an amp with 4 watts stock and it
fries? if that is true then copper should make the caveat that only low
power is needed which brings up another scenario where the operator has
to turn it down. what a mess that would bring...

Is that a Nebo built?

--
Flyin' Ryan Newman
http://www.ryan12newman.com/carspecs.htm

Steveo wrote:
jim wrote:

Steveo wrote:

jim wrote:


Steveo wrote:


jim wrote:



Steveo wrote:



jim wrote:




Steveo wrote:




I've blasted transistors in mobile amps and only paid the shipping
for the repair.
Like you said Jim, read the label.


have to ask the guy what the amp manufacturer is.
i have dealt with copper years ago and never had a problem though
their catalog at the time was cheesy.


Seems to be more and more horror tales about their support. I dunno?


i use aes for items now. coax, swr matchers, rotors etc. never had a
problem.


I can drive to them, 30 or so miles.


i can email 'em. 30 usec's or so hehehe. they are good, little pricey
but good.


I like to window shop there, sometimes you can pick up decent used
gear. Their web site sucks.


you know better than me on the used gear as i never go with that.
never tried their web site.
used consumerreports today to pick up a portable cd/mp3 player and a
wifi system...


That's cool, I fet first dibs tho..Gotta watch those used gear guys. ;)

At any rate, I rarely drive out there unless it's something sorta
special, it's a fun place to pipe dream too.

nothing here in this area like that. could go to the hamfest at
the local community college but thats it.

nebo builts are all high drives. 50 watts pep is fine into all of my units.
dont try that with a skywave!

Is that a Nebo built?

MrTimNebo wrote:
nebo builts are all high drives. 50 watts pep is fine into all of my units.
dont try that with a skywave!


Is that a Nebo built?




look who comes outta the woodwork... c'mon tim, bringing the professors
amp into the open? thought we heard the last of that...

"MrTimNebo" wrote in message
...
nebo builts are all high drives. 50 watts pep is fine into all of my
units.
dont try that with a skywave!

Is that a Nebo built?

Does gw run Nebo built?

In ,
(BILL) wrote:

THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_


What sympathy? Call 1-800-BOO-HOOO. Need legal advice? Don't buy illegal amps.
How about a technical opinion? Most "linear" amps are rated for peak power (PEP)
for both input and output. That means if it's rated for 4 watts input, don't
feed it any more than 1 watt RMS on AM or 4 watts PEP on SSB. If it's rated for
100 watts PEP output, that means you shouldn't run it any higher than 25 watts
out on AM. If that's the case then you probably did overdrive it. You could also
have some grounding issues, or a mismatch between the radio and the amp. And
here's some more advice: Learn what you are doing so you don't get burned in the
future.






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(MrTimNebo) wrote:
nebo builts are all high drives. 50 watts pep is fine into all of my
units. dont try that with a skywave!

Is that a Nebo built?

What happened to timnebo.com?

--
Flyin' Ryan Newman
http://www.ryan12newman.com/carspecs.htm

"jim" wrote in message
...


BILL wrote:
THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_

before you bought the amp did you do any research to find out what
coppers warranty was?

I didn't think Coppers sold amps.

Landshark


--
The world is good-natured to people
who are good natured.

User error. You overdrove your amp. Your dead key should have been
lower.



The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

Jim@Optonline wrote:

buyer beware obviously but driving an amp

with 4 watts stock and it fries?




Yea,,that's odd.




if that is true

then copper should make the caveat that only
low power is needed which brings up another

scenario where the operator has to turn it

down. what a mess that would bring...





Many amps say "X-amount of watts out with 3 or 4 watts in." Additional
watts, even one, = user error, NOT more power. You need admit, the
majority of repairs on many fiddled with radios and amps arrive that
state via user error and/or ignorance. The radio and amp need "married"
to each other in a most perect union. This obviously was not done. In
many, many cases of such amp use, a lower dead key on the radio
(necessitating an adjustment to the output) is not only desirable, but
necessary. Chances are he overdrove it.




The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

James@opton-lion wrote:
you know better than me on the used gear as i
never go with that. never tried their web site.

used consumerreports today to pick up a

portable cd/mp3 player and a wifi system..




Those Wi-Fi's are out of hand here. You can inadvertantly land on
another's lan and the signals can be overwhelming because of
overcrowdedness,,at times, there are some six to nine networks
available, some will drop out, and at other times, none are available.
Reliability sucks because of the overabundance and interference with
each other's signals here. Infancy stage......

..

The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

Group: rec.radio.cb Date: Fri, Feb 6, 2004, 2:22am (EST+5) From:
(jim)
MrTimNebo wrote:
nebo builts are all high drives. 50 watts pep is fine into all of my
units. dont try that with a skywave!

Is that a Nebo built?

look who comes outta the woodwork... c'mon tim, bringing the professors
amp into the open? thought we heard the last of that...


__


Some say it is like Snipe hunting. Does it truly exist? Who actually had
one? I made Griff an offer on one once......(shrug)...gave him the
benefit of doubt, but I think he was afraid I was the local FCC enforcer
or something. Perhaps he was afraid it would be used for illegal gains
like (horrors) dx on the freeband.




The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

Group: rec.radio.cb Date: Thu, Feb 5, 2004, 10:05pm From:
Moparholic@hotmail-no spam-.com (Steveo)
"MrTimNebo" wrote in message
...
nebo builts are all high drives. 50 watts pep is fine into all of my
units. dont try that with a skywave!

Is that a Nebo built?

Does gw run Nebo built?
_

Which GW? The one in Houston,,,,,,NO.,,but I sure have been ****ing off
the San Antonio GW by jumping in his receive and not leaving until I'm
good and ready......which occurs aftre making three tags in a
row....three is da' magic number...one for each coordinate from my
position.


The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

My little buddy Frank Gilliland wrote:
What sympathy? Call 1-800-BOO-HOOO.

Need legal advice? Don't buy illegal amps.

How about a technical opinion? Most "linear"

amps are rated for peak power (PEP) for both

input and output. That means if it's rated for 4

watts input, don't feed it any more than 1 watt

RMS on AM or 4 watts PEP on SSB. If it's

rated for 100 watts PEP output, that means

you shouldn't run it any higher than 25 watts

out on AM. If that's the case then you probably
did overdrive it. You could also have some

grounding issues, or a mismatch between the

radio and the amp. And here's some more

advice: Learn what you are doing so you don't

get burned in the future.






Mopar is right. Hell froze over. It must be one brutal freakin' winter
up yonder. Frank displayed a clarity above not seen since his better
days.



The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

Twistedhed wrote:
Those Wi-Fi's are out of hand here. You can inadvertantly land on
another's lan and the signals can be overwhelming because of
overcrowdedness,,at times, there are some six to nine networks
available, some will drop out, and at other times, none are available.
Reliability sucks because of the overabundance and interference with
each other's signals here. Infancy stage......


Use WEP encryption to keep others out of your 802.11a/b/g.

If you are interested in Wi-Fi, you have to check out
http://www.seattlewireless.com/

In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

My little buddy Frank Gilliland wrote:
What sympathy? Call 1-800-BOO-HOOO.

Need legal advice? Don't buy illegal amps.

How about a technical opinion? Most "linear"

amps are rated for peak power (PEP) for both

input and output. That means if it's rated for 4

watts input, don't feed it any more than 1 watt

RMS on AM or 4 watts PEP on SSB. If it's

rated for 100 watts PEP output, that means

you shouldn't run it any higher than 25 watts

out on AM. If that's the case then you probably
did overdrive it. You could also have some

grounding issues, or a mismatch between the

radio and the amp. And here's some more

advice: Learn what you are doing so you don't

get burned in the future.






Mopar is right. Hell froze over. It must be one brutal freakin' winter
up yonder. Frank displayed a clarity above not seen since his better
days.


I could take that as a compliment if you were capable of understanding anything
I said beyond the sarcasm. You can't, so I won't.


The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong


Does that include proof like "...they both use Supernews so therefore they must
be the same person..."? Or how about, "...because I said so..."? Should the
similarity between the handle 'Sparky' and the surname 'Sparks' be considered
"proof"? Oh, that's right, you don't answer questions because that would
compromise your warped interpretation of the 'Golden Rule' -- do unto others
then avoid the consequences by any means possible.

Carry on, Dave.






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Frank Gilliland wrote in message . ..
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

My little buddy Frank Gilliland wrote:
What sympathy? Call 1-800-BOO-HOOO.

Need legal advice? Don't buy illegal amps.

How about a technical opinion? Most "linear"

amps are rated for peak power (PEP) for both

input and output. That means if it's rated for 4

watts input, don't feed it any more than 1 watt

RMS on AM or 4 watts PEP on SSB. If it's

rated for 100 watts PEP output, that means

you shouldn't run it any higher than 25 watts

out on AM. If that's the case then you probably
did overdrive it. You could also have some

grounding issues, or a mismatch between the

radio and the amp. And here's some more

advice: Learn what you are doing so you don't

get burned in the future.






Mopar is right. Hell froze over. It must be one brutal freakin' winter
up yonder. Frank displayed a clarity above not seen since his better
days.


I could take that as a compliment if you were capable of understanding anything
I said beyond the sarcasm. You can't, so I won't.


The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong


Does that include proof like "...they both use Supernews so therefore they must
be the same person..."? Or how about, "...because I said so..."? Should the
similarity between the handle 'Sparky' and the surname 'Sparks' be considered
"proof"? Oh, that's right, you don't answer questions because that would
compromise your warped interpretation of the 'Golden Rule' -- do unto others
then avoid the consequences by any means possible.

Carry on, Dave.

Who's "Dave", Frankie? Where's the proof? Jumping from one wild
conclusion to another does not constitute proof, neither does endless
and mindless repetition.

Frank Gilliland wrote:

In ,
(BILL) wrote:

THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_


What sympathy? Call 1-800-BOO-HOOO. Need legal advice? Don't buy illegal amps.
How about a technical opinion? Most "linear" amps are rated for peak power (PEP)
for both input and output. That means if it's rated for 4 watts input, don't
feed it any more than 1 watt RMS on AM or 4 watts PEP on SSB. If it's rated for
100 watts PEP output, that means you shouldn't run it any higher than 25 watts
out on AM. If that's the case then you probably did overdrive it. You could also
have some grounding issues, or a mismatch between the radio and the amp. And
here's some more advice: Learn what you are doing so you don't get burned in the
future.






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there was nothing said about the power supply he used on with the amp.
Could have gone down to or below 11 volts which will easily fry them.
If this was a base amp, then I will go back to sleep.

In ,
(Richard Cranium) wrote:

Frank Gilliland wrote in message . ..
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

My little buddy Frank Gilliland wrote:
What sympathy? Call 1-800-BOO-HOOO.

Need legal advice? Don't buy illegal amps.

How about a technical opinion? Most "linear"

amps are rated for peak power (PEP) for both

input and output. That means if it's rated for 4

watts input, don't feed it any more than 1 watt

RMS on AM or 4 watts PEP on SSB. If it's

rated for 100 watts PEP output, that means

you shouldn't run it any higher than 25 watts

out on AM. If that's the case then you probably
did overdrive it. You could also have some

grounding issues, or a mismatch between the

radio and the amp. And here's some more

advice: Learn what you are doing so you don't

get burned in the future.






Mopar is right. Hell froze over. It must be one brutal freakin' winter
up yonder. Frank displayed a clarity above not seen since his better
days.


I could take that as a compliment if you were capable of understanding anything
I said beyond the sarcasm. You can't, so I won't.


The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong


Does that include proof like "...they both use Supernews so therefore they must
be the same person..."? Or how about, "...because I said so..."? Should the
similarity between the handle 'Sparky' and the surname 'Sparks' be considered
"proof"? Oh, that's right, you don't answer questions because that would
compromise your warped interpretation of the 'Golden Rule' -- do unto others
then avoid the consequences by any means possible.

Carry on, Dave.

Who's "Dave", Frankie? Where's the proof? Jumping from one wild
conclusion to another does not constitute proof, neither does endless
and mindless repetition.


Can't you function at the intelligence level of us surface-dwellers? Didn't you
even read the thread? Twisty provided his -own- proof! Now go crawl back into
your hole, Clyde.






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He who buys from the communists, will be ripped off by the COMMUNISTS
!
Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



On 5 Feb 2004 15:28:07 -0800, (BILL) wrote:

THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_



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Communist or not, It is a fact that 4-5 watts in to a low drive amp is
not good. I am not saying that was the reason it blew, but you stated
in you message to copper that you was putting this into this amp and
they responded accordingly. Im not sure what brand and model of amp it
was, so I cant say to much on that. When you get an amp, do not drive
it with more than 3 watts unless it is a high drive amp. Even the amps
that say they will take up to 7 watts input are full of crap.

When you get another amp, be sure not to overdrive it. If you have the
radio tuned to the amp or turn the radio down to 3 watts, it will be
fine. Make sure you have a good match as well! If it blows, then it
isn't your fault. In a 142, you can easily turn the dead key down by
turning a variable resistor in the back right hand corner. Get the
info off the net, because I dont remember what number the VR is. Your
forward swing will not be affected by this either nor will SSB.

All though a new amp should not have done this that soon, Copper
should have replaced it at no charge and warned you that the radio
would have to be tuned. Also note: It is against FCC regulations to
use external amplifiers on 11 meters. Not good to admit that to
Copper. They can also use that against you. Even though they know it
can be used there and know it was most likely used there, your self
admittance of this should have been conceiled.

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:16:16 -0500, Dave or Debby
wrote:

He who buys from the communists, will be ripped off by the COMMUNISTS
!
Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



On 5 Feb 2004 15:28:07 -0800, (BILL) wrote:

THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_



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Old School wrote:
Also note: It is against FCC regulations to
use external amplifiers on 11 meters. Not good to admit that to
Copper. They can also use that against you. Even though they know it
can be used there and know it was most likely used there, your self
admittance of this should have been conceiled.

LMAO it must suck to be a keyclown always getting ripped off and no
recourse because your illegal.

Kinda reminds me of an episode of Cops I saw last night. There was a woman
who flagged down the cops and said she gave someone $20 for crack, and they
didn't give her the crack.

Maybe he should contact the FCC to see if they can mediate this dispute. :)